completely forgot when i started flower

Kush Knight

Kush Knight

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chuck estevez said:
oh my effin god, you just repeated EVERYTHING I have been trying to say, if you don't break down the sugars,starches,chlorophyll, your weed will taste like shit. you don't break down the salts during drying and curing. it isn't the nutes that cause bad taste, there isn't more expensive salts, there are just better chemists at making a complete formulas. For fucks sake.:wall::wall::wall:
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Thats part the same shit you've been disagreeing with then posting info that backs me up.
I told you, no process is 100% efficient. Every heard of the 10% law?
You just kept seeing organic and attacking that. Chem is a CRUTCH DIPSHIT. And quit repeating what I say. The better the formula the better the taste. Ive basically just said that. Again, you suck at reading. You obviously don't understand jack-shit.

They're will still be small deposits of unprocessed nutes. You still killed the plant. The cells are still composed of the same elements. Its not like the processes of photosynthesis and cellular respiration continue indefinitely, so unprocessed nutes still exist. And nute burn deposits wont go away... The cure is important in REDUCING everything. ATP. NUTES (IONS ARE NUTES). SUGARS. STARCHES. CHLOROPHYLL. EVERYTHING. It also happens to slightly degrade the thc.
It doesn't git rid of everything. The closest to that is watercure then extract.

Werent you arguing against cure anyways, mentioning a thread where you only read the title?
 
Nizza

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to get the proper cure, you must have a proper dry. I like ung a hygrometer or the boveda 2 way packs and it allows the cure to do its work.
I agree with chuck nutrients are nutrients, and yes the goal in mind is to create a formula that breaks down completely without leaving things behind that will alter pH or increase salinity. Leeching IMO is a good thing to do once every month or two, it will allow better uptake through the roots and kind of re-set the baseline of your nutrient feed schedule.

My biggest goal is always to keep it all green and happy. Time things out right so that things don't overgrow so i won't have to "defoliate". I basically go organic until I can't keep up with the feed schedule and then switch to dyna gro foliage pro for the last month of flower
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Kush Knight said:
Thats part the same shit you've been disagreeing with then posting info that backs me up.
I told you, no process is 100% efficient. Every heard of the 10% law?
You just kept seeing organic and attacking that. Chem is a CRUTCH DIPSHIT. And quit repeating what I say. The better the formula the better the taste. Ive basically just said that. Again, you suck at reading. You obviously don't understand jack-shit.

They're will still be small deposits of unprocessed nutes. You still killed the plant. The cells are still composed of the same elements. Its not like the processes of photosynthesis and cellular respiration continue indefinitely, so unprocessed nutes still exist. And nute burn deposits wont go away... The cure is important in REDUCING everything. ATP. NUTES (IONS ARE NUTES). SUGARS. STARCHES. CHLOROPHYLL. EVERYTHING. It also happens to slightly degrade the thc.
It doesn't git rid of everything. The closest to that is watercure then extract.

Werent you arguing against cure anyways, mentioning a thread where you only read the title?
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No, Never argued against curing, i just said shitty growers need curing as an excuse for growing shitty weed. I posted a link to a thread that discusses the breakdown of these things and how to do it without curing( did you just read the title?). curing makes it better, but if you are a REAL grower, your stuff will be good as soon as it is able to smoke a joint. synthetic nutes or not, mg or jacks or anything a REAL grower uses. The metals are all in your hippie head.
 
Kush Knight

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Nizza said:
to get the proper cure, you must have a proper dry. I like ung a hygrometer or the boveda 2 way packs and it allows the cure to do its work.
I agree with chuck nutrients are nutrients, and yes the goal in mind is to create a formula that breaks down completely without leaving things behind that will alter pH or increase salinity. Leeching IMO is a good thing to do once every month or two, it will allow better uptake through the roots and kind of re-set the baseline of your nutrient feed schedule.

My biggest goal is always to keep it all green and happy. Time things out right so that things don't overgrow so i won't have to "defoliate". I basically go organic until I can't keep up with the feed schedule and then switch to dyna gro foliage pro for the last month of flower
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Thats the shit I've been saying. Did I ever say chem doesn't work?......
Theres nothing wrong with a crutch, but unless you formulate that yourself, it takes no skill to use chem nutes.
He was fucking saying cure is for bad growers.
 
Kush Knight

Kush Knight

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chuck estevez said:
No, Never argued against curing, i just said shitty growers need curing as an excuse for growing shitty weed. I posted a link to a thread that discusses the breakdown of these things and how to do it without curing( did you just read the title?). curing makes it better, but if you are a REAL grower, your stuff will be good as soon as it is able to smoke a joint. synthetic nutes or not, mg or jacks or anything a REAL grower uses. The metals are all in your hippie head.
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Ive been fucking saying CHEM IS FINE DIPSHIT. IT DOES AFFECT TASTE THOUGH. SO USE THE BESt BRAND CHEM. The same fucking grower still gets better taste organic vs chem on the same strains with the same npk and total guaranteed analysis. Do the damn test yourself then shut the fuck up.
 
chuck estevez

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and it is. AGAIN, go read the thread I posted earlier, then you might learn something, Instead of going on about something you don't understand.
 
Nizza

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lol yeah i always know its a good grow when i smoke the fresh shit just dried and it smokes nice, the cure really helps it out though.
Chem nutes aren't a crutch, they are just formulated to either soil , hydro, or aero, depending how they break down or work in each media. You need to understand that there is no difference between stuff like silicates that are "chem" derived or silicates that are "organic" derived. The plant has no clue what the difference is, alls that matters is how it effects the biology of the soil . You really seem biased against bottled "chem" nutes
 
chuck estevez

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Kush Knight said:
Ive been fucking saying CHEM IS FINE DIPSHIT. IT DOES AFFECT TASTE THOUGH. The same fucking grower still gets better taste organic vs chem on the same strains with the same npk and total guaranteed analysis.
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look, you just don't get it. You want to grow in soil, organic is the way to go, I grow indoors in soilless where chem nutes work best and allow me to control every aspect of my grow. I don't need hippie organic bullshit to grow dank, i don't need to cure to have great taste and smell. YOU are wrong
 
Kush Knight

Kush Knight

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Nizza said:
lol yeah i always know its a good grow when i smoke the fresh shit just dried and it smokes nice, the cure really helps it out though.
Chem nutes aren't a crutch, they are just formulated to either soil , hydro, or aero, depending how they break down or work in each media. You need to understand that there is no difference between stuff like silicates that are "chem" derived or silicates that are "organic" derived. The plant has no clue what the difference is, alls that matters is how it effects the biology of the soil . You really seem biased against bottled "chem" nutes
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Im biased against improper ratios. Things like MG. The improper ratio alone affects taste.
They are a "crutch" in my opinion because they are specifically designed for easy use. Sometimes that factor degrades quality. Theres nothing wrong with using a crutch, especially if it helps someone gow who otherwise wouldn't.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Nizza said:
lol yeah i always know its a good grow when i smoke the fresh shit just dried and it smokes nice, the cure really helps it out though.
Chem nutes aren't a crutch, they are just formulated to either soil , hydro, or aero, depending how they break down or work in each media. You need to understand that there is no difference between stuff like silicates that are "chem" derived or silicates that are "organic" derived. The plant has no clue what the difference is, alls that matters is how it effects the biology of the soil . You really seem biased against bottled "chem" nutes
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AHMEN BROTHER
 
Nizza

Nizza

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i go with the 3-1-2 ratio
dyna foliage pro is 9-3-6 im pretty sure and includes all essential micro and macros. sold as a "complete" fert. although it doesnt hurt to add a little cal-mag, carboload, or silica sometimes
 
chuck estevez

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What's funny, When I first started growing, i would agree with you about MG, But I know how to grow and i know it is not the MG that causes bad taste.
 
chuck estevez

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Nizza said:
i go with the 3-1-2 ratio
dyna foliage pro is 9-3-6 im pretty sure and includes all essential micro and macros. sold as a "complete" fert. although it doesnt hurt to add a little cal-mag, carboload, or silica sometimes
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I have done great with the FP, I have been running the jacks citrus feed, it has a nice amount of sulphur
 
Nizza

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generally these "metal deposits" are after using chemical nutrients over and over in the same soil. I don't know anyone that can re-use ferts that were raped by chem nutes, they just stop working after a while and lock things out. Coco is good for this because you can re-flush it and it will still work, but since its hydro it needs to be a hydro specific formula because of the way all the nitrates and whatnot break down.

my two favorite spots on this forum are ROLS and no till thread, and the world of hempy thread
 
Kush Knight

Kush Knight

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chuck estevez said:
AHMEN BROTHER
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Since it has no clue, it indiscriminately eats. Pour some lead, mercury, or arsenic in the soil and say that doesn't change taste. The plant will poison itself indiscriminately. My point has always been those formulas are never perfect. And the compounds are absorb at different rates than naturally. Meaning that nutes pile up. Organic usually has the upperhand in taste as the microbes break the food down in closer to proper ratios. Good gowers like myself get barely discernable differences in taste. I grow both chem and organic. Everyone I know, still wants the fucking organic.
 
Kush Knight

Kush Knight

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Nizza said:
to get the proper cure, you must have a proper dry. I like ung a hygrometer or the boveda 2 way packs and it allows the cure to do its work.
I agree with chuck nutrients are nutrients, and yes the goal in mind is to create a formula that breaks down completely without leaving things behind that will alter pH or increase salinity. Leeching IMO is a good thing to do once every month or two, it will allow better uptake through the roots and kind of re-set the baseline of your nutrient feed schedule.

My biggest goal is always to keep it all green and happy. Time things out right so that things don't overgrow so i won't have to "defoliate". I basically go organic until I can't keep up with the feed schedule and then switch to dyna gro foliage pro for the last month of flower
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Defoliation done right is good. CFL grows really benefit from defoliation.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Kush Knight said:
Since it has no clue, it indiscriminately eats. Pour some lead, mercury, or arsenic in the soil and say that doesn't change taste. The plant will poison itself indiscriminately. My point has always been those formulas are never perfect. And the compounds are absorb at different rates than naturally. Meaning that nutes pile up. Organic usually has the upperhand in taste as the microbes break the food down in closer to proper ratios. Good gowers like myself get barely discernable differences in taste. I grow both chem and organic. Everyone I know, still wants the fucking organic.
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I GUARANTEE, I could put my bud next to your organic bud, blindfold you, and you would probably pick my bud. I let GENETICS dictate the smell and taste, I only give the plant what it needs to be healthy. If what i was using wasn't keeping them healthy, they would die, but they don't, they just grow huge ass dank buds, HMMMMM!!
 
Kush Knight

Kush Knight

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chuck estevez said:
I GUARANTEE, I could put my bud next to your organic bud, blindfold you, and you would probably pick my bud. I let GENETICS dictate the smell and taste, I only give the plant what it needs to be healthy. If what i was using wasn't keeping them healthy, they would die, but they don't, they just grow huge ass dank buds, HMMMMM!!
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Cause all unhealthy plants die?.................. I burned a plant once to the point the plant looked like it was a lifeless, leafless twig, with n 3 times in veg and 2 times with p in flower. The plant was so sad looking. And it finished dank, smelly, not tasty, but not bad and rather heavy for 15% humidity 4 bulbs of t5 constant temps of 68F. Just cause the plant looks healthy, doesnt mean you are maxing the genetic potential. Organic growers have found good microbes increase yield up to a 100 times the genetic potential in many plant species.
 
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