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bigbill, as jberry pointed out you could make any two lines of nutes have practically the same npk its the rest of it that you dont really know what is in the bottle well you do but not down to how much kelp per gallon etc etc

to be honest i doubt theres a great deal of difference in terms of final yeild or taste in the grand scheme of things. ive switched up my nutes both base and boosters and the biggest thing ive done to increase quality and quantitiy is switch to coco. when you get down to it nutes and carb boosters can give you maybe 15% better yeild and quality and thats if your doing everything right. next come high temps and bottled co2 but tis all a bit much for most and not viable for commercial

thanks for the heads up jbizzle!

it really meant nothing to me, made me laugh the missus thought i was crackers. i havent told her i need a ph meter to make havin the ec meter worthwile yet....

but really 2.8 is the ceiling eh?! i shudder to think what my feed will be like with the pk in it

Don Gin and Ton said:

bigbill, as jberry pointed out you could make any two lines of nutes have practically the same npk its the rest of it that you dont really know what is in the bottle well you do but not down to how much kelp per gallon etc etc

to be honest i doubt theres a great deal of difference in terms of final yeild or taste in the grand scheme of things. ive switched up my nutes both base and boosters and the biggest thing ive done to increase quality and quantitiy is switch to coco. when you get down to it nutes and carb boosters can give you maybe 15% better yeild and quality and thats if your doing everything right. next come high temps and bottled co2 but tis all a bit much for most and not viable for commercial

thanks for the heads up jbizzle!

it really meant nothing to me, made me laugh the missus thought i was crackers. i havent told her i need a ph meter to make havin the ec meter worthwile yet....

but really 2.8 is the ceiling eh?! i shudder to think what my feed will be like with the pk in it

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cool shit guys, well i will continue feeding at 800ppm and slowly increase. i was thinking the same thing about the npk values, that even tho its mathmatically the same, it isn't really the same at all. i just thought it was interesting, i need to stop thinking so technically haha, i tend to do that.

Don Gin and Ton said:

bigbill, as jberry pointed out you could make any two lines of nutes have practically the same npk its the rest of it that you dont really know what is in the bottle well you do but not down to how much kelp per gallon etc etc

to be honest i doubt theres a great deal of difference in terms of final yeild or taste in the grand scheme of things. ive switched up my nutes both base and boosters and the biggest thing ive done to increase quality and quantitiy is switch to coco. when you get down to it nutes and carb boosters can give you maybe 15% better yeild and quality and thats if your doing everything right. next come high temps and bottled co2 but tis all a bit much for most and not viable for commercial

thanks for the heads up jbizzle!

it really meant nothing to me, made me laugh the missus thought i was crackers. i havent told her i need a ph meter to make havin the ec meter worthwile yet....

but really 2.8 is the ceiling eh?! i shudder to think what my feed will be like with the pk in it

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yea in coco, once your getting close to 3.0 your pretty much maxing out, i wouldnt go much higher than 3.2 even if your plants arent burning because the higher EC will cause things to slow down and probably be counter productive for several reasons. just cut your base nutes back for the flower boosters OR what i also do is, use R/O water (very low ppm's) when im worried about my EC getting too high from so many additives, and i use high ppm dechlorinated tap water during the weeks when im not using as many products.

the ec pen also comes in handy to find out what your runoff is doing.
but once the coco starts to break down, then some of the runoff's EC will be from the coco itself (as much as 600 ppm if the coco is really old)... still, its a great way to see if you are getting a build up or under feeding.
its good for your final flush too (you can see the EC of the run off drop and drop until its down to a acceptable level)

PS - a 15%-20% increase in yield is what i got when i added the right additives... That is a huge increase IMO...
and especially for commercial because they are the ones who can afford it.... its worth the couple hundred bucks for additives, if you are turning a 10 ten pack into a 12 pack (not that i would do anything like that) .... another 2 elbows could get someone another 6-8 grand out of 3-4 hundred bucks in additives.

peace!

yeah man i generally did drop the base A+B out when i was pumping the pk.

hahaha man commercial in the uk is a lot different to your commercial. ie here its grown by vietnamese gangs that couldnt give a f@ck bout paying the extra few hundred bones to make their shit the best it can be they want low odour big yield. full stop.

we've tried to give them seeds and cuttings of decent strains but they wont take them.

personally i do see the benefit of giving them the best you can as you only get what you put into it.

whoa, i had no idea thats how it was.... crazy.

we got the mexican mafia growing over here lol

My latest grow is now a journal. Bam...its in the sig. Hit it up and let me know what you think.

Hey guys,
Great thread, thank you.

Wondering if I can use the fiber that hangs around the tree trunck as it grows? Many different textures, like choir.

There is so much of it in the garden and was just wondering if this would work as well as from the actual coconut.

Been using prebagged pyth and mixing a little of this stuff with it for clones, all new to me and having fun trying.

Tempted to just clean up these trees and shred it up.
Check it out.

budy budman said:

Hey guys,
Great thread, thank you.

Wondering if I can use the fiber that hangs around the tree trunck as it grows? Many different textures, like choir.

There is so much of it in the garden and was just wondering if this would work as well as from the actual coconut.

Been using pre-bagged pyth and mixing a little of this stuff with it for clones, all new to me and having fun trying.

Tempted to just clean up these trees and shred it up.
Check it out.

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Not sure it is the same thing. It is the pith around the actual nuts they use I assumed. Sounds like the ultimate DIY project haha. But in all reality a small brick makes a lot of medium that is relatively clean and shredded for about 2 or 3 $. Might find ya had a lot of work for that much money. And if not you can come to work for me!

In all reality I won't even use the bricks anymore they are so much extra work.

How come no one ever talks about the high PPM in the pan water runoff? I cant be the only one

budy budman said:

Hey guys,
Great thread, thank you.

Wondering if I can use the fiber that hangs around the tree trunck as it grows? Many different textures, like choir.

There is so much of it in the garden and was just wondering if this would work as well as from the actual coconut.

Been using prebagged pyth and mixing a little of this stuff with it for clones, all new to me and having fun trying.

Tempted to just clean up these trees and shred it up.
Check it out.

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yea, dont do that. its nit worth the possibility of pest and who knows what other problems.... if you do do it, then wash the shiz out of it.

Lennard said:

How come no one ever talks about the high PPM in the pan water runoff? I cant be the only one

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what brand is your coco, and is it old?

after a few months the coco starts to break down and cause a raise in your ppm run off... its nothing to worry about IF that is the case.

it could also be the coco your using isnt washed well.

or you are just using to much nutes and they are building up.

those are my guesses if you are getting really high run off.
what week are you in? and how high of a ppm is your runoff?

You are probably right, but I need to manicure the trees anyway so maybe I will save it for when I am really stoned or bored.


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jberry said:

what brand is your coco, and is it old?

after a few months the coco starts to break down and cause a raise in your ppm run off... its nothing to worry about IF that is the case.

it could also be the coco your using isnt washed well.

or you are just using to much nutes and they are building up.

those are my guesses if you are getting really high run off.
what week are you in? and how high of a ppm is your runoff?

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Ive used coco 3 harvs now and get great results but I know of some other people that have used it too. We all seem to have the same problem.

I use new bags of canna coco. I feed with adv. sensi, cannazym and cal- mag throughout veg and flower and use sweet as well.

I veg 3 weeks and have high pan water runoff by 2 weeks in to harv or less. I honestly probubly only feed at an amount of 750ppm ten times thoughout flower and I just use tall boy water phd in between. I think I get great results, I just look at it as saving nutes but yea I cant believe no one ever talks about it.

at 50 days in pan water is at 2125 PPM Im gonna use flora kleen this time and see how it goes..

hey everyone im really interested in trying coco! but i've been using soild and still have a ton of soil nutrients (fox farms trio) left over. whats the best way to use coco without a drip system and using soil nutrents? would it work with botanicare Cocogro?

maybe your not getting enough runoff each watering.... or its just the coco breaking down.

but its probably nothing to worry about.

RockstarEnergy said:

hey everyone im really interested in trying coco! but i've been using soild and still have a ton of soil nutrients (fox farms trio) left over. whats the best way to use coco without a drip system and using soil nutrents? would it work with botanicare Cocogro?

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you should use hydro nutes for coco.......... or ask fox farm if they are good for coco.

jberry said:

you should use hydro nutes for coco.......... or ask fox farm if they are good for coco.

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i just looked at the Fox Farms website and i guess all i'd need to do is get some Grow Big Hydro and i can still use the big bloom and tiger bloom

so when growing in coco is it the same as growing in soil? do i need to do anything different? other than feed with hydro nutes. in your opinion what makes coco better than soil? i definitely need a ppm reader for coco right?

What ph up/down should I use for coir? Some of the brands say they are for reservoirs. Would these work?