Coco Growers Unite!

SnowWhite · Oct 16, 2009

Don Gin and Ton said:
i tried it for my soil and to be honest didn't notice a difference at all but then i tried cannazyme this time round and couldn't tell a difference either ?!!? not saying it doesn't work, i actually spoke to a dutch guy at their factory he said it did make a difference (he was a personal grower too) i never did a side by side or owt tho

yeah, from what I understand this stuff helps with building the important trichoderma in coco. Which are more present in soil/compost by default. So I reckon it wouldn't matter so much in soil and that's why I never used it, but it is probably more important for coco. Right now, I'm totally happy with canna though

they have all this shit included in their A&B.

If the zym was as expesnive as the boost, I'd think twice about using it. But as it was just fifteen quid a litre....I just ordered it with my A+B. Still got loads left as well, so it lasts well. I'm suspicous of their boost to be honest. I'm about done with my small 250ml bottle and can't quite bring myself to spend 50 quid on a litre of the stuff. But my plants are doing well, maybe they like it! IDK!

Don Gin and Ton · Oct 16, 2009

man your girls are doing great and im the same i think the pk13/14 is better value for money over the boost to be honest.

i don't know i'm sure a lot of us on here are at the stage in our game where your getting good yield everytime from your base nutes and various different booster product i think whatever combo you roll with is only maximising your quality and quantity by maybe 10-15% tops if you've got a real strict schedule and are on top of your game.

switching from soil to coco gave me much bigger improvements than switching from big bud and AN overdrive to canna a&b and pk/13/14. but without growing the exact same strain from clones each time over n over doing a controlled experiment i cant be 100%

all i know is we got some dank shit in the spare room

SnowWhite · Oct 16, 2009

yeah, I wouldn't loose the PK13/14 either.......essential.

Wouldn't it be great to a proper lab style experiment, side by side with a couple of identical rooms with different variables. You could write a book on the results from that sort of setup. If only they did that in school, I might of paid more attention in biology. hahahaha

Don Gin and Ton · Oct 16, 2009

totally, man i want one of those long polytube green houses.

im sure thats how the johnies over in holland test their stuff or at least i hope they do n its not some bjorn type sat writing absolute diamond marketing bullshit... its probably both...

anyway pubtime! have a good weekend peeps!

bender420 · Oct 16, 2009

SnowWhite said:
lol.....same here man. canna all the way, or galuku maybe, but that's prepared as well. I might try the biobizz stuff one day too. I used to use their nutes in soil.

I switched from canna to botanicares cocogro, because it felt lighter and more airy.

Since the switch I am able to flood 3 times a day versus 1 or 2. Very impressed with botanicare coco, as of now I like it more that canna.

I asked around before making a switch but no one had used botanicare's coco. i am glad i did.

I am still trying to figure what would be the best nutes for flood with for coco. Was going with lucas, but i am not sure how well it does in coco.

Anyone using canna nutes in an ebb n flow or are they strictly for hand watering.

ZEN MASTER · Oct 16, 2009

snail240 said:
Has anyone tried hydrofarm brand coco? I get the stuff for like $7 a bale is why I ask im cloning in it now seems to be working. I bought cana coco but to be honest if this hydrofarm stuff works imma feel ripped............

cana I transplanted in is doing fine but I just wanted to know if the hydrofarm stuff is just as good because its like half the price and it didnt seem to bad when I flushed it seemed like after I dumped a few gallons of water threw it it cleaned up pretty easy.

Nobody used the cheap hydrofarm coco?

hey what up snail. this is my opinion only. the reason i only use Canna is because it is already "properly" cleaned. that part yea can do yourself with cheaper cocos, it will take a while but you can "properly" clean it yourself, but what you can't do with the cheaper stuff is buffer the coco so the nutes will bond to it correctly. that's why a lot of people have problems initially when they use the cheaper coco. because most of the time it is not ph neutral, imo. but i've considered getting some cheaper coco, i just feel that for the five or six bucks i'd save would not be woth it. but that's just me.

PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

#1Raiderfan420 · Oct 16, 2009

I use B'Cuzz it is steamed and rebuffed ..

"B'Cuzz Coco is the only coir product avaiable through the retail hydroponic industry that undergoes a unique streaming process, resulting in an optimized, premium quality hydroponic growing medium. Atami has a partnership in Sri Lanka with a major coir producer. This means Atami has control over the quality of the raw coir that is used in its product. Age, origin, and the initial treatment are all important factors in determining the quality of the final product."

Ichi · Oct 16, 2009

bender420 said:
I switched from canna to botanicares cocogro, because it felt lighter and more airy.

Since the switch I am able to flood 3 times a day versus 1 or 2. Very impressed with botanicare coco, as of now I like it more that canna.

I asked around before making a switch but no one had used botanicare's coco. i am glad i did.

I am still trying to figure what would be the best nutes for flood with for coco. Was going with lucas, but i am not sure how well it does in coco.

Anyone using canna nutes in an ebb n flow or are they strictly for hand watering.

I have a buddy that floods coco. He uses the House & Garden Aqua Flakes A&B. He actually uses this on his regular coco as well. He does this because the Aqua Flakes have more Mag than the regular Coco nutes. I have seen the results and it seems to be working well. lol.

bender420 · Oct 17, 2009

Ichi said:
I have a buddy that floods coco. He uses the House & Garden Aqua Flakes A&B. He actually uses this on his regular coco as well. He does this because the Aqua Flakes have more Mag than the regular Coco nutes. I have seen the results and it seems to be working well. lol.

Sounds good mate, coco is so damn gnarley, any good quality product would probably be fine for coco. I just don't want it to get too gunky for the pump.

madazz · Oct 18, 2009

Cannazym is then used to break down old roots and ensure only healthy roots remain.
Old dead roots are the source of infection, so by removing them you can ensure less chance of root problems.
zym is an absolute must for a healthy productive garden

Madazz :weed:

Masterofgenetics · Oct 18, 2009

Yeah house of garden is great, but way overpriced...

Ichi said:
I have a buddy that floods coco. He uses the House & Garden Aqua Flakes A&B. He actually uses this on his regular coco as well. He does this because the Aqua Flakes have more Mag than the regular Coco nutes. I have seen the results and it seems to be working well. lol.

Ichi · Oct 18, 2009

Overpriced, but compared to Canna they are cheaper. What I mean is they go further...just a little. I use Canna by the way.

ganicsarebetter · Oct 18, 2009

Ichi said:
Overpriced, but compared to Canna they are cheaper. I use Canna by the way.

for the H&G coco line, should you add Cal or any other micros? seems like im geting a littel def......all is perfet, just discoloration a tad on the leaves.

thanks mates,
the more info the better results. ANY AND ALL replies please.

pce
ganics.

ZEN MASTER · Oct 19, 2009

in my opinion, i like Canna because like i've said many times before it just makes more money sense to me. $28 for the A-B 1L, $26 for the 50L bag of coco, and basically, if you already have your lights and stuff but you are on a budget that can get you 3-4 weeks of vegging and 8-9 weeks of flower, that's $54 give or take a few dollars. and you'll probably still have some left over to start you on your next run. reallty that's all you need . now when you start ading all the other goodies that they have to offer yes the price tag goes up, but if you are just a personal grower, then that's all you REALLY need. and you can get some really good quality bud out of it. now if you can find something that is better i say go for it but imo i don't think you can beat it.

PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

Corwin · Oct 19, 2009

Masterofgenetics said:
Yeah house of garden is great, but way overpriced...

MoG, what nutes do you use? I am sure it is on here but with 1400+ post ...well I am lazy.

I have been using a spreadsheet for nutes to determine cost nad when using the full line I found Canna to cost about $1.00 a gal. H&G .46/gal
and GH to be .28/gal. The cost were prepared using the largest sived container of each product prices were for my local market (USA).

I may have not gotten the HG and GH prices right as I have not used them so I am not certain but I am pretty sure of the Canna prices.

I should do a price comparison for the base nutes only as there is probably less overall difference.

Corwin

garlictrain · Oct 19, 2009

hello all, this is first post on this site bongsmilie

!!
past 2 years been using chc (coco husk chunks) in a recirulating top-fed deep water culture bucket system (rdwc) with pbp nutes.

i started my latest veg cycle differently. while i have enjoyed and had success in water culture, i have seen the light. my veg consists of a 60/40 blend of atami b'cuzz coir and crystal farms chc in 5 gallon grow bags. they are top fed pbp nutrients that have been ph'd and ppm'd. am considering switching to h&g coco based nutes, but have had success with botanicare nutes in both hydro and coco bags.

so i'm retiring the dwc and moving on to run 2 waste coco in 5gal bags. now that we can pack em in we're interested in designing a drip system for when they transition from veg into bloom. if the drip system is too much trouble we'll just keep mixing nutes and feeding with a pump, hose, and spray wand.

i started reading through thread but only got to page 27 before skipping to post. been growing legally for past five years and i too am crazy for coco...
thanks too all who have posted!

and a happy harvest to all med patients reaping their outdoor right now!

Ichi · Oct 19, 2009

Corwin said:
MoG, what nutes do you use? I am sure it is on here but with 1400+ post ...well I am lazy.

I have been using a spreadsheet for nutes to determine cost nad when using the full line I found Canna to cost about $1.00 a gal. H&G .46/gal
and GH to be .28/gal. The cost were prepared using the largest sived container of each product prices were for my local market (USA).

I may have not gotten the HG and GH prices right as I have not used them so I am not certain but I am pretty sure of the Canna prices.

I should do a price comparison for the base nutes only as there is probably less overall difference.

Corwin

Please please please post that spreadsheet. I would be very interested. I am to lazy to create such a chart myself. +rep

Corwin · Oct 19, 2009

Ichi,

Here is the link to the original: http://smallfarms.oregonstate.edu/organic-fertilizer-calculator/register

Let me try to figure out how to post my version:Hmmm lets see if I did it right...

#1Raiderfan420 · Oct 19, 2009

garlictrain said:
hello all, this is first post on this site!!
past 2 years been using chc (coco husk chunks) in a recirulating top-fed deep water culture bucket system (rdwc) with pbp nutes.

i started my latest veg cycle differently. while i have enjoyed and had success in water culture, i have seen the light. my veg consists of a 60/40 blend of atami b'cuzz coir and crystal farms chc in 5 gallon grow bags. they are top fed pbp nutrients that have been ph'd and ppm'd. am considering switching to h&g coco based nutes, but have had success with botanicare nutes in both hydro and coco bags.

so i'm retiring the dwc and moving on to run 2 waste coco in 5gal bags. now that we can pack em in we're interested in designing a drip system for when they transition from veg into bloom. if the drip system is too much trouble we'll just keep mixing nutes and feeding with a pump, hose, and spray wand.

i started reading through thread but only got to page 27 before skipping to post. been growing legally for past five years and i too am crazy for coco...
thanks too all who have posted!

and a happy harvest to all med patients reaping their outdoor right now!

Wow that pic says it all.. looks like you took over a grape vinyard lol :leaf:

I am using H&G and B"Cuzz too.

jberry · Oct 20, 2009

#1Raiderfan420 said:
I use B'Cuzz it is steamed and rebuffed ..

"B'Cuzz Coco is the only coir product avaiable through the retail hydroponic industry that undergoes a unique streaming process, resulting in an optimized, premium quality hydroponic growing medium. Atami has a partnership in Sri Lanka with a major coir producer. This means Atami has control over the quality of the raw coir that is used in its product. Age, origin, and the initial treatment are all important factors in determining the quality of the final product."

thats the reason its not as good as canna.... (steaming the coco kills all the trichaderma)

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