Co2 for clones good or bad ?

a mongo frog said:

If one is using aqua flakes, would adding sweet or molasses benefit the garden in any way?

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Aqua flakes is for hydroponics isnt it? I wouldnt be adding any of those products into my reservoir. Not only would they probably clog your whole system eventually I dont think theres a reason to run any molasses or sweetener (carb) in hydroponics.

If your running soil I would say it would be beneficial to feed microbes and benes. Im in a toss up over it doing anything other than that for the plant. People swear by molasses i got a buddy who uses it in coco with 3 part gh as a boost in bloom but idk. Ive never used it.
Maybe someone else could chime in with better info on this subject.

But using it in hydroponics would be foolish IMHO.

Whats reason your asking this?

Theres hydro specific carbs like maybe bud candy or another liquid sweetener you could try. I dont use any of the jazz I think its a waste of money but to each his own.

Blackstrap molasses is good for teas and soil growing for a food source for microbes and benes other than that I wouldnt use it at all. But some ppl who do organics cherish it. Im not that guy though

Cannabil said:

Whats reason your asking this?

Theres hydro specific carbs like maybe bud candy or another liquid sweetener you could try. I dont use any of the jazz I think its a waste of money but to each his own.

Blackstrap molasses is good for teas and soil growing for a food source for microbes and benes other than that I wouldnt use it at all. But some ppl who do organics cherish it. Im not that guy though

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I asked you this cuz you seem to have some kind of botany educated back ground. Also ask you this cuz i run peat soilless, have been using aqua flakes about 7 years now and i absolutely love it. How ever the person who shows me the basics of gardening many years ago had the sweet/molasses in his recipe so i followed it till just recently. Ive also read it does nothing to the way i garden, and then some would say yes it does. Ive asked other members this and got mixed answers, so i thought i would just ask you out of the blue.

a mongo frog said:

I asked you this cuz you seem to have some kind of botany educated back ground. Also ask you this cuz i run peat soilless, have been using aqua flakes about 7 years now and i absolutely love it. How ever the person who shows me the basics of gardening many years ago had the sweet/molasses in his recipe so i followed it till just recently. Ive also read it does nothing to the way i garden, and then some would say yes it does. Ive asked other members this and got mixed answers, so i thought i would just ask you out of the blue.

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Oh yeah no doubt man. Basically people run molasses I find primarily in soil for helping the microbes and bacteria thrive they provide a food source in turn they provide nutrients through their waste for the plants. Symbiotic relationship in a sense.

I do know a few people who do run promix and use molasses with the Gh 3 part and they use it prinarily in bloom as a flowering enhancer. If it works I couldnt tell you, to my knowledge I dont think it does anything other than what I mentioned regarding feeding the micro life and carbohydrates which helps your plant produce energy it needs in bloom.

The only way you would be able to absolutely tell how it works is running it on some of the containers and leaving out of the others and see if theres a difference as every garden is different.

I wish i had a better strraight forward answer for you regarding this matter but its one of those things that you will find people disagree about. I can tell you that I do no think it will have any adverse affects on your grow and wont be detrimental to your plants.

Also molasses helps condition your soil and prevents pathogens by feeding the beneficial bacteria which outperform the bad bacteria making it very useful. But make sure you use the right type of molasses its need to be organic and unsulphured do not use sulphured molasses. Unsulphured molasses is the one u want.

Molasses also is a primary source of both macro and micro nutrients and can help reduce deficiencies and issues in the garden. So from a distance if u are using the right type of molasses whether soil or soilless it is beneficial and will help to an extent in creating a good aerobic rhizosphere leading to improved plant healt and quality. Providing carbs for your microlife and nutrients for your girls. I think its more efficient in soilless organic mediums but should be good in soilless as well.

Hope this all helps.

My buddy is saying thay molasses also helps prevent salt buildup in your medium which is another reason he uses it in his soilless mix. It helps retain moisture and balance ph basically keeping it more stable by preventing salt buildup which can lead to plant moisture stress in the leaves etc.

So i guess it does serve a few different purposes in your garden. Id say to keep using it if you are happy with your results. You dont need much of it either which is nice since its very inexpensive to begin with. I think gallons of organic blackstrap unsulphure molasses is only like 20-30$ and you need only a couple tablespoons per 5 gallons of water. So the benefits definetely outweigh the cost as a whole and I think you should definetely keep it around for your girls.

Im looking into starting my own soils and using just teas to feed. So I will be purchasing a good amount of this stuff in near future myself.

I dont have any botany or hotriculture degree or experience of that kind. I do alot of reading and I always talk to other growers and value everyones opinions. I think alot of people over analyze and over due it. All the crazy terminology and you need to know plant science and all this other shit is for the birds.

Just got keep things simple and easy. You dont need a degree in horticulture to grow the shit. All the stuff about reading plants and them telling you what they want I find to be kinda funny as well. I see it quite often reading these forums and posts from people and I have to chuckle when I see it.

I take the approach that nutrient companies have labs and people who make these nutrients for a living and know better than I would what to feed these plants. I just follow the instructions and feeding charts and Im usually good to grow. As long as you use a good base nutrient with the 17 essential elements that are in a good ratio for your plants than you shouldnt have any issues to begin with.

The main thing is providing a good environment for your plants regarding temp and humidity and a good soil or soilless mix. And if your growing in hydro just keep your ph in range and your water cool and your good to grow.

I dont think its necessary to wait until your plants show deficiencies to give them more food "reading plants and them telling me what they want is kind of a weird statement" its almost like i wait until something is wrong before i fix the problem. I dont know who or where someone came up with that but i dont ever want to see deficiencies, ever. So assuming if thats what that means I really dont know who came up with that.

I actually like to find out how much they can handle and soon as I see a little leaf tip burn I cut back and I know where I need to be at and what Amounts i should be feeding so i dont have any issues to read or deal with. Flush your mediums with 1/4 strength nutrient solutions every couple of weeks and a few straight waterings here and there and thats it. And just make sure your Ph pens are calibrated correctly i like to calibrate every couple weeks.

As long as you use a root innoculant, beneficial bacteria, good base nutrient (calmag if your using RO water) and a flowering enhancer during peak bloom you shouldnt really need to do anything but watch them grow, produce their flowers and enjoy the fruits of your labor.

Than when it time to chop just keep your temps in upper 60s lower 70s, humidity around 55-60%. Plants should dry or snap in 4-6 days thats ideal drying time I find. And than jar em up or bag em and leave em for a week. Burp if theres any moisture but if u dry it right once you bag or jar them u shouldnt need to open or touch them for weeks or months to get the best flavor and smell and thc content. Leaving the jars or bags sealed without opening ensures that the gases and bacteria break down the chlorophyll properly and enhance the potency smell anf flavors and that the curing process you have done has worked correctly.

Alot of people do great grows and the shit looks amazing and than they harvest and they fuck up drying and curing and ruin their entire crop. Comes out smelling like hay, loses its luster and isnt any better than some bag schwag for your local corner dealer. Ive seen runs that looked fckin amazing and a week or so later I see it done and bagged up and say omg what the fck happened.

a mongo frog said:

If one is using aqua flakes, would adding sweet or molasses benefit the garden in any way?

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Molasses,,,,not in hydro!

Sweet , sweet raw, Botanicare 65.00 a gallon......Mg sulfate and some complex carbs......Well, The S and the Mg will increase Tric's and Terp's! Yup, for real. It will increase tric and terp production.....Increase in THC by volume, increase terps by volume and concentration !!

65.00 a BOTTLE = get real......I can make it for less then a buck a gallon!

You will need and opaque bottle - gallon size
1 gallon RO water
8 TBL Epsom Salts
1 1/2 tsp DARK Brown sugar

Pour water into the gallon jug. Now pour 4 cups of that into a sauce pan.
Pan on stove and bring to a boil.
Add the epsom and the DARK brown sugar and boil for 4-5 min stirring nonstop till done.

Remove from stove and using a funnel, pour the mix into the bottle of water...Shake to mix and use like this.

week b4 bloom = 5ml per gallon of feed
week 1 = 10ml
week 3 = 15ml
week 6 = 20ml till finish

Works BETTER then the Botanicare and costs less then a buck a bottle!

Doc

Cannabil said:

Aqua flakes is for hydroponics isnt it? I wouldnt be adding any of those products into my reservoir. Not only would they probably clog your whole system eventually I dont think theres a reason to run any molasses or sweetener (carb) in hydroponics.

If your running soil I would say it would be beneficial to feed microbes and benes. Im in a toss up over it doing anything other than that for the plant. People swear by molasses i got a buddy who uses it in coco with 3 part gh as a boost in bloom but idk. Ive never used it.
Maybe someone else could chime in with better info on this subject.

But using it in hydroponics would be foolish IMHO.

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Molasses does not provide any notable nutritional value to your plant, other then some micro nutrients

No Molasses in hydro....

SWEET RAW WILL WORK WELL in HYDRO !!!! It was designed as a specific molasses replacement (with high Mg for other added benefits) in hydro!

Doc

WHOA, hold it there.....I just read your follow up's
When running soil less.....Microbes CAN BE introduced and used in media like peat and coco (That are not res fed).....Therefor, Molasses can be used to feed the heard in small dose's!!! No problems.

Molasses should NOT be used for any other style of hydro! PERIOD.....

I know plant science and all the terminology....It's NOT for the birds! I try not to use to many of the big science words, so guys like ya'all can understand what I'm trying to convey to you....

I have a news flash for you sonny.....Nutrient companies and their labs are in it for the money...YOUR money! MOST of them lie, cheat and steal from YOU!
Advanced Nutrients
House and Garden
and a HUGE portion of the rest make stupid claims and lead you to products you in no way need to get what I can do on my own!

Root inoculant (correct spelling) What for? Your adding Myco's to the soil correct? What do you think that "root inoculant" is? The myco's that live on the roots will move there and colonise by them selves.....You just paid for something you didn't need!

What is this flushing medias thing? The ONLY media that NEEDS an occasional minor flush is Coco......Flushing can cause more problems then it solves in ANYTHING else!

Soil = water only or a Nice balanced soil that you can feed with teas as needed.
Nutrient = one and I mean 1 powder in a tub can do just as well if not BETTER then all those snake oil hucksters that you make rich! It's that science that some of us learned that make that the difference! Ok and decades of growing don't hurt.....

You kinda touched a nerve Cannabil.....

Doc

Or u could do some crazy shit like this guy said. I orefer to buy a bottle of some good carb product like botanicare sweet or cutting edge sugar dee or AN bud cany. But to each his own

I dont like to penny pinch or cut corners on my grows i spend money to make money and use good legit products. Theres alot of backyard mechanics going on in these forums haha.

At the end of the day who cares if u spend 300-500$ on good nutrients to grow a few pounds of premium meds. Im not gonna penny pinch making my own homemade nutrients and crazy shit like this to save a few dollars.

If i can grow a pound of meds for 100/200$ thats fckin awesome

Organic molasses is filled with macro and micronutrients. Not enough to give ur plant all its need but it does contain amounts of them including trace elements. Idk where u got that info but molasses is a source of those nutrients and can help facilitate certain amounts for your plants.

Dr. Who said:

Molasses does not provide any notable nutritional value to your plant, other then some micro nutrients

No Molasses in hydro....

SWEET RAW WILL WORK WELL in HYDRO !!!! It was designed as a specific molasses replacement (with high Mg for other added benefits) in hydro!

Doc

WHOA, hold it there.....I just read your follow up's
When running soil less.....Microbes CAN BE introduced and used in media like peat and coco (That are not res fed).....Therefor, Molasses can be used to feed the heard in small dose's!!! No problems.

Molasses should NOT be used for any other style of hydro! PERIOD.....

I know plant science and all the terminology....It's NOT for the birds! I try not to use to many of the big science words, so guys like ya'all can understand what I'm trying to convey to you....

I have a news flash for you sonny.....Nutrient companies and their labs are in it for the money...YOUR money! MOST of them lie, cheat and steal from YOU!
Advanced Nutrients
House and Garden
and a HUGE portion of the rest make stupid claims and lead you to products you in no way need to get what I can do on my own!

Root inoculant (correct spelling) What for? Your adding Myco's to the soil correct? What do you think that "root inoculant" is? The myco's that live on the roots will move there and colonise by them selves.....You just paid for something you didn't need!

What is this flushing medias thing? The ONLY media that NEEDS an occasional minor flush is Coco......Flushing can cause more problems then it solves in ANYTHING else!

Soil = water only or a Nice balanced soil that you can feed with teas as needed.
Nutrient = one and I mean 1 powder in a tub can do just as well if not BETTER then all those snake oil hucksters that you make rich! It's that science that some of us learned that make that the difference! Ok and decades of growing don't hurt.....

You kinda touched a nerve Cannabil.....

Doc

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Well thats absolutely wrong you never wanna flush coco ever. Lol

Im not hear to argue but alot of stuff u posted is wrong. People can listen to whoever they choose i posted the info either u like it or u dont im not gonna argue about it.
If u think u know everything thats awesome. This post wasnt meant for u if thats the case.
If u have something beneficial to add to the thread so be it but dont try put me down in the process. Thank u

You should never flush coco with straight water is what i should say

Cannabil said:

My buddy is saying thay molasses also helps prevent salt buildup in your medium which is another reason he uses it in his soilless mix. It helps retain moisture and balance ph basically keeping it more stable by preventing salt buildup which can lead to plant moisture stress in the leaves etc.

So i guess it does serve a few different purposes in your garden. Id say to keep using it if you are happy with your results. You dont need much of it either which is nice since its very inexpensive to begin with. I think gallons of organic blackstrap unsulphure molasses is only like 20-30$ and you need only a couple tablespoons per 5 gallons of water. So the benefits definetely outweigh the cost as a whole and I think you should definetely keep it around for your girls.

Im looking into starting my own soils and using just teas to feed. So I will be purchasing a good amount of this stuff in near future myself.

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Do you trust this guy? Is he a good farmer? Do you have any finish bud pics of his? Thanks for all the info you posted, definitely helpful.

a mongo frog said:

Do you trust this guy? Is he a good farmer? Do you have any finish bud pics of his? Thanks for all the info you posted, definitely helpful.

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He gets very good results. He taught me how to grow, not gonna toot my horn but im helpin him now awadays with things. But he been using the same gh 3 part formula w molasses for as long as ive known him. He has other recipes fox farm and botanicare also but he always goes back to that for some reason idk man haha. He swears by it.

Next time hes done w a run ill take some pics and post em for yah. He wont want me taking pics at his place i can tell yah that but i can get u some finished product shots. Some strains like certain nutrients better than others I find. The strain he runs love the GH he has it down to a science. Its an old recipe that many ppl on internet proly have or use or version of it im sure. Just tweak it to his liking. I dont do GH 3 part not a fan but its tried n true.

He grows in promix also w just castings and adds dolomite to mix some perlite thats bout it. And he uses atami bloombastic but evrrything else is GH nutrient wise. And the molasses

He might still use the fox farm big blool or whatever the early bloom formula is if i remember correctly than the bloombastic at the end. Its a pretty simple recipe

Cannabil said:

He might still use the fox farm big blool or whatever the early bloom formula is if i remember correctly than the bloombastic at the end. Its a pretty simple recipe

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What strain?

Dr. Who said:

Kid has cranial rectal inversion.....



Head is farther up then I thought. May take a surgical specialist and a consulting proctologist to cure this problem.



I suggest you run A N and go to the Mayo Clinic.



WOW, I can begin to see his eye's in the back of his mouth!!!!



Hunh, Push harder. This will hurt a bit! I can't see your eye's any more.....keep pushing.


Kid, you know shit, your "teacher" (if he taught you this) knows shit. You come on here and spew shit!

Go ahead and by your "shit" and fertilize your pathetic over P'ed in bloom yellowing master level plants.....
Bud blood and bloombastic LMFAO! Another sad sack falling for the marketing ploys of the "You must use this to get that" Fucking nutrient company.....

By the way sonny boy......My Sweet formula is almost exactly what they use....I use a tad more carbs that are less refined then what Botanicare does.....Read the label of whats in it......Hmm, that's right. Us skool lernt fellas ain't needed, cause ya'all know it already......Mg Sulfate is the main ingred.....What is Mg Sulfate kid? Any one? Beuller? I used math to figure out the concentrations....Oh, that's right, More skool lernt shit......don't need that....Cause you learned from a guy who grows good shit.


This is for you kid!
What happens at the light saturation point in a Cannbis plant?
A: When does this happen on a sunny day (aprox)?
B: How and when does the plant recover?
C: Does this happen in other C3 plants?

What are the 2 most active hormones regulating plant growth?
A: What do they do?

Can a light saturation point be delayed and photosynthesis increased during that time?
A: Explain your answer.

How does temperature effect the growth of Cannabis?

Please explain your use of high P bloom foods in Flower = What are you getting from them?
What are the negatives of high P bloom food use?

What is the best NPK RATIO for growing Cannabis?

Come on kid,,,,,,show us what you got..

Let the butt hurt begin!

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I dont care about light saturation point i dont grow outside. I dont really give a shit whether or not i know anout auxins cytokinins and giberillins because im an idiot remember. I dont care that light saturation stop the increase of atp and photosynthesis, i dont care that high P bloom foods in early bloom will lead to premature leaf drop and that you think bcuz u read a book or are buddies w ppl on this site that u get to pick and choose who can talk and knows what they are doing.

If ur such a big dog expert grower you should have ur own book, ur own nutrient line ur own strains and ppl appreciating ur help and information.

I like a 3-1-2 or a simple 1-1-1 for veg
Depending on what stage im in
And a 1-3-2 for bloom or 1-2-2
All depends i usually am around those numbers