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stumpjumper · Oct 21, 2011

Murfy said:
this should make it clear to anyone-

that somethin is up with bob. overnight his story has mutated once more,he is now a nice guy with meds for sale.

I don't quite think so Murf, I have been watching Bob since he started posting, I will stand by the statement that he is pissed because money makers ruined the law for the people who are actually trying to use it for medical needs. (or however you want to word it, I could quote him but I'm being lazy) however that is as far as I'm going to go to stick up for Bob, I'm still up in the air about his intentions here.

I don't think he's a cop and if he is, he'd be a cool cop if he's actually growing weed, huh?

I don't know, I've been doing my best to stay out of the mess..

Sunbiz1 · Oct 21, 2011

Michigan sounds nice, 2 states away from me and loaded with issues. A good market from what I can tell.

ismokealotofpot · Oct 22, 2011

bob harris said:
Because he's got mad skills. He's also really harsh when someone makes a stupid comment. Go into his threads and check the likes he's given me when posting about Sativas. He actually understands what I' saying, and why I do what I do with Light intensity And Uvb.
He understands, and has published his thoughts on trichlome "ambering", and why most people don't understand it, as relating to Sativa effects. (ambering is a sign that thc/thcv are degrading into cbd)

I try and give you guys the exact same info...and you cry bullshit. Ask sub about thcv as it relates to neurological disorders, he'd tell you the exact same thing that I have told you. And if you posted the same rebuttals to him, that you've posted to me..his reaction would be far harsher than mine have been.

The real problem here is that a small group of guys, wish to dominate the forum with no new input allowed.

smokealotofpot, when confronted with a direct response to a challenge,,,,and asked a direct question, reacted by saying something to the effect of "there are only about 8 of us using this forum, lets band together and ignore bob till he goes away" Did you ever stop to consider that there are only "about 8" of you, because every time a newcomer posts..you gang up like hyenas and chase him away?

You accept what he says, because he is a published author and noted breeder. Did you know Sub's been kick off many a forum, because he can be so harsh to people? I am not comparing myself to Sub in ability or knowledge..better put that in here so one of you doesn't twist that into "so now he thinks he's subcool"

THC does not degrade into CBD it cant there is only so much CBGA in a plant. This gene can be split into THC or CBD it doesnt flip flop from THC to CBD. And when did I say there is only 8 of us lets ban togeather and ignore bob if I did I may have been drinking happens from time to time sorry if i said that.

ismokealotofpot · Oct 22, 2011

I would like to keep this thread clean free or arguments so it can stay up and help those who need it.

bob harris · Oct 22, 2011

stumpjumper said:
I don't quite think so Murf, I have been watching Bob since he started posting, I will stand by the statement that he is pissed because money makers ruined the law for the people who are actually trying to use it for medical needs. (or however you want to word it, I could quote him but I'm being lazy) however that is as far as I'm going to go to stick up for Bob, I'm still up in the air about his intentions here.

I don't think he's a cop and if he is, he'd be a cool cop if he's actually growing weed, huh?

I don't know, I've been doing my best to stay out of the mess..

You're almost there.

I am pissed about the law "stretchers" ruining the the opportunity for legit medical patients and care givers. I lobbied hard to get the law on the ballot...I collected signatures.

I'm not a cop..want more pics of my grow? Happy to pose them any way you like..just to show I didn't get them from Google. (they just hit that "i want a lot of water cause I'm serious about flowering stage")
And my intentions are simply to share info, and more importantly, to keep a MEDICAL FORUM. in tune with medical intent.

I post tons of things in other forums, and never have an argument. Just the Medical Forum, where it seems people wish to discuss things, and press views that are clearly LEGALIZE, BASH GOVERNMENT, and GROW FOR PROFIT.....just would like to see those thoughts in other Forums..where they belong.

See, I'm of the belief that when you post those things in a medical forum, your just helping "THE MAN" point to it and say..."yup, they just want to abuse the law...guess we'll have to take it away"

bob harris · Oct 22, 2011

ismokealotofpot said:
THC does not degrade into CBD it cant there is only so much CBGA in a plant. This gene can be split into THC or CBD it doesnt flip flop from THC to CBD. And when did I say there is only 8 of us lets ban togeather and ignore bob if I did I may have been drinking happens from time to time sorry if i said that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid

Here ya go..explains how thc degrades to cbd. Granted, it's in the context of light effects during storage. But thc does, is fact, degrade to cbd.

In high cbd plants. that degradation happens quickly, while the plant is alive...extra sensitive to light while it's growing, but is in fact the result of degradation.

Not trying to argue..simply inform.

bob harris · Oct 22, 2011

ismokealotofpot said:
THC does not degrade into CBD it cant there is only so much CBGA in a plant. This gene can be split into THC or CBD it doesnt flip flop from THC to CBD. And when did I say there is only 8 of us lets ban togeather and ignore bob if I did I may have been drinking happens from time to time sorry if i said that.

Was going to edit my first post to add this..but then the edit nazi's would jump me.

It also should help you understand why SATIVA'S are high thc/thcv pants with relatively low cbd numbers. They grow in equatorial regions. Exteme high light intesity ares, and have adapted to that..thus slowing the "living degradation".

Allowe to over ripen (amber trichlomes) they too will degrade, and increase cbd levels. It's why subcool wrote the article on "when to harvest"..he was explaing the relation ship of trichlome color to thc/cbd levels.

In an effort to stop arguing with you. and educate you, (If you're willing to learn)..I'll do some research and post article pertaining to why cbd is the "stone" effect in cannabis.

bob harris · Oct 22, 2011

ismokealotofpot said:
THC does not degrade into CBD it cant there is only so much CBGA in a plant. This gene can be split into THC or CBD it doesnt flip flop from THC to CBD. And when did I say there is only 8 of us lets ban togeather and ignore bob if I did I may have been drinking happens from time to time sorry if i said that.

Sorry..didn't want to edit again.

You could simply save us both a bunch of headache, and go Gee Bob, you DO know what your talking about. That would allow us to stop arguing and share info...but I'm not sure you're there yet.

I'll hunt down those articles now....might take a minute...after all I am a google nazi.

stumpjumper · Oct 22, 2011

bob harris said:
You're almost there.

I am pissed about the law "stretchers" ruining the the opportunity for legit medical patients and care givers. I lobbied hard to get the law on the ballot...I collected signatures.

I'm not a cop..want more pics of my grow? Happy to pose them any way you like..just to show I didn't get them from Google. (they just hit that "i want a lot of water cause I'm serious about flowering stage")
And my intentions are simply to share info, and more importantly, to keep a MEDICAL FORUM. in tune with medical intent.

I post tons of things in other forums, and never have an argument. Just the Medical Forum, where it seems people wish to discuss things, and press views that are clearly LEGALIZE, BASH GOVERNMENT, and GROW FOR PROFIT.....just would like to see those thoughts in other Forums..where they belong.

See, I'm of the belief that when you post those things in a medical forum, your just helping "THE MAN" point to it and say..."yup, they just want to abuse the law...guess we'll have to take it away"

I don't have a problem with that ideology and I agree, people should be using the medical forum for discussion within the boundaries of our law. I really don't see where it hasn't been.(for the most part) If people are growing a max number of plants they are still within the law and it is really not my place or yours to say they aren't. You can only assume that people may be selling andprofiting their overages etc but that is not always the case.

I do not allow illegal activities (people posting about actions that are clearly above and beyond the law) I even jumped a guy in here for posting pictures of a plant that was growing outdoors unsecured. But there is really no reason to start a riot about it. It's good to try to police ourselves, but lets not go too extreme..

bob harris · Oct 22, 2011

stumpjumper said:
I don't have a problem with that ideology and I agree, people should be using the medical forum for discussion within the boundaries of our law. I really don't see where it hasn't been.(for the most part) If people are growing a max number of plants they are still within the law and it is really not my place or yours to say they aren't. You can only assume that people may be selling andprofiting their overages etc but that is not always the case.

I do not allow illegal activities (people posting about actions that are clearly above and beyond the law) I even jumped a guy in here for posting pictures of a plant that was growing outdoors unsecured. But there is really no reason to start a riot about it. It's good to try to police ourselves, but lets not go too extreme..

Agreed...but when someone calls me a butt headed ignoramus..I tend to respond in kind. And when some one nips at my heels..I tend to kick them away. Those are universal, human, reactions.

I try and keep calm, but I get heated up too..like anyone else.

ismokealotofpot · Oct 22, 2011

bob harris said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid

Here ya go..explains how thc degrades to cbd. Granted, it's in the context of light effects during storage. But thc does, is fact, degrade to cbd.

In high cbd plants. that degradation happens quickly, while the plant is alive...extra sensitive to light while it's growing, but is in fact the result of degradation.

Not trying to argue..simply inform.

Cannabinol

Main article: Cannabinol
Cannabinol (CBN) is the primary product of THC degradation, and there is usually little of it in a fresh plant. CBN content increases as THC degrades in storage, and with exposure to light and air. It is only mildly psychoactive. Its affinity to the CB2 receptor is higher than for the CB1 receptor.[21]

bob harris · Oct 22, 2011

ismokealotofpot said:
THC does not degrade into CBD it cant there is only so much CBGA in a plant. This gene can be split into THC or CBD it doesnt flip flop from THC to CBD. And when did I sahttp://howtogrowmarijuana.com/harvesting-marijuana-head-body-stoney there is only 8 of us lets ban togeather and ignore bob if I did I may have been drinking happens from time to time sorry if i said that.

http://howtogrowmarijuana.com/harvesting-marijuana-head-body-stone

Here is the first...easier to find than I thought. now, Im going to edit this to add more...rather than make a new post..just want to clarify that up front for that edit nazi's..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_cannabis

Here is another, albeit a harder read...hopefully that suffices...but if you'd like more..rather than simply trusting that I may have some knowledge on the subject...let me know.

I'll be happy to research for you..i mean, didn't take more than 5 minutes...

ismokealotofpot · Oct 22, 2011

ismokealotofpot said:
Cannabinol

Main article: Cannabinol
Cannabinol (CBN) is the primary product of THC degradation, and there is usually little of it in a fresh plant. CBN content increases as THC degrades in storage, and with exposure to light and air. It is only mildly psychoactive. Its affinity to the CB2 receptor is higher than for the CB1 receptor.[21]

It degrades to CBN so if you would like to know some shit feel free to ask. If I don't have an answer ill find the answer. Look bob I'm a pretty bright guy. I did my first dna test when I was 14 years old. I was making thc oil way before anyone knew about rick simpson. Stop confusing people.

ismokealotofpot · Oct 22, 2011

Go ahead you look like a fool because your mistaking cbn for cbd but I guess you don't care. Im going to make a thread just for you to put bullshit in that way you can quit posting bull shit in my thread.

bob harris · Oct 22, 2011

ismokealotofpot said:
It degrades to CBN so if you would like to know some shit feel free to ask. If I don't have an answer ill find the answer. Look bob I'm a pretty bright guy. I did my first dna test when I was 14 years old. I was making thc oil way before anyone knew about rick simpson. Stop confusing people.

Outstanding! You finally posted something to validate your statement...I supplied it to you..knowing I was wrong (bait)...buy you finally actually got there.

Now, I'm a pretty smart gut too, and I'm probably older than you are...so don't give me that I've been in this since you were in diapers crap.

Would you now like to actually start sharing info rather than pissing?

The real debate is in the effects of the varying cannabanoids, by themselves and in combination. Not how they came to be.
If you'd like to start sharing knowledge on that topic..maybe we both could learn.

ismokealotofpot · Oct 22, 2011

Not interested this thread is for patients who are looking for help. I dont want endless pages of random talk that sick people have to sift through. Its not fair for the reader I know im fed up with it myself.

bob harris · Oct 22, 2011

ismokealotofpot said:
Go ahead you look like a fool because your mistaking cbn for cbd but I guess you don't care. Im going to make a thread just for you to put bullshit in that way you can quit posting bull shit in my thread.

This whole thing started with you telling me thc/thcv content was irrelevant in the treatment of Parkinson's...how come you haven't posted a reply to the article I provided you?

And I am happy to make myself look the fool, if it gets someone to become involved in a meaningful manner.

I'm way to old to be concerned with occasionally looking the fool.

And I do care..not about semantics, but about how cannabis affects varying conditions and why.

So if you'd like to talk about the difference between "nuero protective" and "nuero regulating" which sounds like spliiting hairs but isn't, lets go, we may both learn.

bob harris · Oct 22, 2011

ismokealotofpot said:
Not interested this thread is for patients who are looking for help. I dont want endless pages of random talk that sick people have to sift through. Its not fair for the reader I know im fed up with it myself.

So...discussing what cannabanoids, ergo what strain, might help a patient with a specific illness...is random talk, with no benefit to a patient?
Not trying to twist words....but help me see that statement in another light.

Are you saying a medical forum should be about I got pot, you're a sick guy, lets hook up? Again..help me understand...

Are you saying that your strain cures all?

Sounds to me that your saying.."my pot gets you high, and Id' be happy to sell it to you"
And, that your growing high yield, fast growing Indica strains, that are naturally high in cbd's..and touting cbd's
value, to make it sound like you have carefuly selected the finest "CASH CROP" that you can grow.

High cbd strains do have great medical value. But only in conditions that cbd directly helps.

Now, I've edited this to clarify that I am not say that YOU ARE..growing Indicas to cash crop...just that's how I hear it when we argue...You may in fact just be targeting different conditions than I am...

ismokealotofpot · Oct 22, 2011

What I was saying about THC and THCV is they are antiepileptic and THCA and CBD are anispasmodic. spasmodic being jerky and uncontrolled muscle twitching. which is parkinsons.You dont have seizures do you? Seizures are related to epilepsy. So the benefit of thca is small because its only a small percentage of total oils.

bob harris · Oct 22, 2011

ismokealotofpot said:
What I was saying about THC and THCV is they are antiepileptic and THCA and CBD are anispasmodic. spasmodic being jerky and uncontrolled muscle twitching. which is parkinsons.You dont have seizures do you? Seizures are related to epilepsy. So the benefit of thca is small because its only a small percentage of total oils.

And what I was saying is that the tremors and shaking in Parkinson's...are in fact...more closely related to seizures. They are initiated by a mis fire in the brain..same as a seizure. Not by a mis fire in the muscle, which would be a spasm.

It's not about the symptom...but the cause.

Thc/thcv target brain related mis fires
thca/cbd target muscle/skeletal mis fires

Sounds like splitting hairs..but isn't.

Severe muscle spasms associated with muscular or bone trauma WILL respond better to thca/cbd
Twitching, seizures,tremor assosiated with BRAIN malfunction, respond better to thc/thcv

A muscle spam originates in the muscle..then sends a message from the muscle to the brain, the brain responds by sending a message back to spasm.

The shaking in Parkinson's is the brain acting on it's own..not in response to an in coming signal. Very similar to epilepsy. (the diseases are not similar..just the origination of the "spasm")

Make sense?

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