Can you get high by touching weed??? I feel it!!! :-/

Discussion in 'General Marijuana Growing' started by brewing up, Jan 7, 2012.

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    cowell

    cowell Well-Known Member

    I have trimmed for 8 hours a day for a week.. how's that.. I've already told you that too.. why are you going over the same things? I've already answered your points, you're just changing how you word your same incorrect points.
    That's right - that's exactly what I'm saying - you cannot get high from non carbonized THCA... I am exactly saying it impossible for you to be high making dry ice hash, and the reason I'm saying it is the same thing I've been saying all along, THC needs to be heated to be active to the point it will effect you to the point you are high.
    The only way you are going to get me agree that it's possible to get actually high from weed that's not heated is you'd have to have a rediculous amount of weed and rub all of the trichomes directly up your ass to have anything happen that isn't placebo effects.
    I don't know about your brownie experience, but if it happened, I would challenge the amount of hash in the final product- as in any manufacturing environment - mistakes happen.. it's possible that batch of brownies accidentally didn't get it's dose of hash. That's possible people error, and yes it would be silly to assume that no one would get high from brownies..or that this example helps your argumement at all - it has anything to do with what we're talking about either.... It's well known that brownies get you high.. it's also well known that brownies are cooked.. so once again - it's heated.. so yes they should get you high. You are saying alot, but nothing.
    You're "points" and "examples" back up what I've been saying the whole time.. My point has NOTHING to do with how it gets into your bloodstream.. I'm agreeing there are ways to get THC through your skin.. what I'm saying is it needs to be heated for any of those ways to get you high - other than by placebo because the concentrations of THC and CBD in non decarbed weed aren't enough to actually make up a dose that would have an effect on anyone. I'm saying it's too minimal to have an effect in raw weed. I feel like a broken record man.. I've been good enough to answer every one of your questions - no matter how retarded.. do me a favor and just answer one for me..
    Do you have a link to an actual study that shows effects from non decarbed weed exposure.. however it happens?
    Save your examples.. you aren't very good at that. Just post a link to something that backs what you're saying.. go through it first and look for anywhere where the THC is heated before experiments are preformed on THC in the blood stream. That means if it's smoked, vaped, eaten in a food that's been cooked, or it was heated in the oven before used, then don't post that, cause I will agree that it will work and we'll have nothing to discuss.
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    Gastanker

    Gastanker Well-Known Member

    You are too funny man.

    First there is no active THC - now there is - then it was just a tiny tiny tiny amount - now you see a report stating its a decent amount and change your mind. First you cannot get high eating non decarbed pot - now you can. First THC doesn't enter the body via osmosis - now it does. First THC cannot be absorbed through human tissues - now it can. Are you seeing a trend?

    Bhang is made using lassie tea (you make a strong tea out of spices), once cooled you mix it with ground up cannabis and milk or yogurt - I've been to india, this is how it is made. You can order hot bhang tea which is different and is heated for a short amount of time - but what temperature does water boil? 212 at sea level? Around 205 @ 3k feet... Hum... so a maximum of 70% of the THCA can decarb to THC at temps over 220 for long periods of time. Is pooring 205 degree water over something the same as baking it at 300 degrees? The bhang I saw being made was using yogurt which I believe is the more traditional - can you boil yogurt?

    Give me a break dude. Argue more with the mass spec results (my non existent evidence) - they alone destroy your whole argument which this entire time has only been that there is no active material in pot. 6% THC is quite a bit of active material - even 2% is quite a bit of active material.

    And calm down. No need to get all emo because you can't get high by any means other than smoking pot - it can't be worth it.

    btw - have you provided a single shred of evidence that this cannot happen? That there is no THC in pot? I can't find it... A single quote? Link? Anything?

    At least two different companies have patents on medical marijuana patches...
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    Dwezelitsame

    Dwezelitsame Well-Known Member

    i dont know the science but i feel stoned when i finish trimming
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    cowell

    cowell Well-Known Member

    I'll see what I can find.. But I'll post up some shit I find that you can look through. I never said there's no THC in pot... what do you mean you like little boys????

    http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f60/cannabis-tincture-k-green-dragon-pics-35190/index2.html
    "Eating or ingesting this should be the equivalent of ingesting raw cannabis, which does not get you high. Decarbonization is the process cannabis must go through to get you high. That means 200 degrees for 15min in oven. Then you can go on with the extraction. That is if you are eating it."

    http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/58414-definitive-green-dragon-cannabis-tincture.html

    In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)

    Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction

    There's more.. but you can google too.. do your own homework.​
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    KushDog

    KushDog Active Member

    ok I yesterday morning, I went into my room and trimed up some buds, well 1 hour in, I was haveing intense visuals. it was like a acid flash back. .
    everything out the sides of my eyes was spinning/twisting. I was smoke free.
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    cannofbliss

    cannofbliss Well-Known Member


    oh well i guess this will be debated forever... ;)
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    perry420

    perry420 Active Member

    silly silly. but yea you get baked as shit
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    missnu

    missnu Well-Known Member

    THC can be absorbed through the skin, but the effects aren't usually as strong or long lasting...unless more is applied...
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    missnu

    missnu Well-Known Member

    wait wait wait...are we arguing about whether you can absorb it through your skin or if it has to be heated first?
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    cowell

    cowell Well-Known Member

    There's no real arguement - THCA needs to be decarbed by heat to change it's chemical composition to thc which is the active drug in MJ.
    Not that you can't get high by any other way than smoking it. Just the drug needs to be thc - which it's not while you are trimming it. My point was - if you trimming weed, which hasn't been decarbed, you can't possibly be "high" - it's just your mind (placebo effect) telling you that you are.
    I haven't seen anyone show or say anything any different. Just tanker showing example after example of different ways to get high with decarbed THC. Basically backing up what I said in the first place.
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    Trian79

    Trian79 Active Member

    Wear rubber gloves.
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    James87

    James87 Active Member

    Yep, wear latex gloves, without the powder coating. When done trimming, put them in the freezer and all the hash comes off the latex, making some really good finger hash.. I'd rather smoke that than try to absorb THC transdermally with reduced efficacy.

    The problem with wearing latex gloves, for me anyway, is my hands get so damp because they aren't breathing. So I wear cloth gloves under the latex, and use an air pump (fish tank style) to run a hose to each hand. I tape an end to the back of each hand with medical tape, put the cloth gloves on, then the latex.. The air pumps out all the dampness, keeping me cool all day.
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    wardman75

    wardman75 Active Member

    I trimmed a very resinous plant recently (no Gloves) & forgot to wash my hands .....Finished around 12:30am and passed out...then at about 2:15am I woke up feeling very strange then it progressed to an intense episode of the shakes and literally like i was having a mildly bad mushroom trip, heart racing and everything. I guarantee you it was from the resin soaking into my skin because I hadn't smoked or done anything else to get to feeling this way at all. I'm a firm believer that in a large enough amount oils resins etc can absorb into your system through your skin.
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    racerboy71

    racerboy71 bud bootlegger

    i have tried both eating weed one day at work while i was working around the big bosses so i wouldn't stink to high heavens but would still get high. nada damn thing came out of it...
    i was also in spain and got tons of hash.. got to the airport and found i still had about a 3 gram chunk of it.. i wasn't going to throw it in the shitter, so i ate it.. didn't think it would do shit, and it didn't..
    and gastanker, you keep talking about how alcohol tinctures and nicotine from patches go through the skin and have an effect on the body.. the last time i checked nicotine and alcohol contain no thc..
    yes, some drugs can be absorbed straight through the skin like lsd and alcohol for ex, but thc doesn't work that way like cowell has said a 100x's in this thread.. it needs to be heated first for it to have any effect at all.. i don't see what is so hard to understand about that...

    and like cowell also said, why would people bother smoking bud if simply touching it would get one high?? or why make budder to make edibles if all i had to do was rub it on my balls while i jerked off for 20 minutes?? b'cuz it doesn't work that way, that's why..
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    Mr.Marijuana420

    Mr.Marijuana420 Well-Known Member

    lol, arent u glad u chimed in,
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    wardman75

    wardman75 Active Member

    So If you're saying thats impossible then how did I get from dead sober to tripping pretty much just so happening to be 1 hr and 45 min after trimming. I think some people have a stronger tolerance to this and they don't feel shit because its not enough to even hit them.
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    vilify

    vilify Well-Known Member

    Not going to say anything on the matter, just going to give this:

    Cannalytics test results
    In order: THCA% | THC% | Total THC% | CBD% | CBN% | Total%

    Chem Dawg[TABLE="width: 870"]
    [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFEE"]
    [TD]12.9[/TD]
    [TD]6.6[/TD]
    [TD]17.9[/TD]
    [TD]0.3[/TD]
    [TD]0.5[/TD]
    [TD]18.8[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Apple Pie
    [TABLE="width: 870"]
    [TR="bgcolor: #E4DDD2"]
    [TD]9.7[/TD]
    [TD]3.5[/TD]
    [TD]12.1[/TD]
    [TD]1.1[/TD]
    [TD]0.4[/TD]
    [TD]13.6[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Jilly Bean
    [TABLE="width: 870"]
    [TR="bgcolor: #FFFFEE"]
    [TD]18.9[/TD]
    [TD]2.0[/TD]
    [TD]18.6[/TD]
    [TD]0.8[/TD]
    [TD]0.0[/TD]
    [TD]19.4[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
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    Gastanker

    Gastanker Well-Known Member

    @racerboy - why don't people masterbate with tobacco? You admitted nicotine can be absorbed through the skin... See the flaw in that logic?

    I think it's funny people think there is zero THC in bud before you decarb it. Look at most any LGC tests that separate THC and THCA and you'll notice they are both present, albeit with the THC at a higher ratio.

    Many many substances can travel through your skin, why is is hard to believe THC would? You'll admit it will travel through your skin via alcohol, and through fats, but not through the oils of the skin? You absorb THC through your lung lining in the form of smoke but if you inhale straight trichs you wont absorb the same THC? Really? How does that work?

    I ate a cookie and didn't notice it. My wife ate a cookie and it made her pass out. Must have been a placebo.

    Lets start listing things that have been proven to be absorbed through the skin -
    Lead, zink, copper, nicotine, caffiene, tylenol, asprine, lsd, psilocybin, arsenic, morphine, opium, amphetamines, oils, pesticides, .... the list is endless.

    Research has revealed that skin absorption occurs via diffusion, the process whereby molecules spread from areas of high concentration to areas of low concentration. Three mechanisms by which chemicals diffuse into the skin have been proposed:

    1. Intercellular lipid pathway (Figure 1)
    2. Transcellular permeation (Figure 2)
    3. Through the appendages (Figure 3)
    [​IMG] Figure 1: Intercellular lipid pathway
    As shown in Figure 1, the stratum corneum consists of cells known as corneocytes. The spaces between the corneocytes are filled with substances such as fats, oils, or waxes known as lipids. Some chemicals can penetrate through these lipid-filled intercellular spaces through diffusion.
    [​IMG] Figure 2: Transcellular permeation
    As shown in Figure 2, another pathway for chemicals to be absorbed into and through the skin is transcellular, or cell-to-cell, permeation whereby molecules diffuse directly through the corneocytes.
    [​IMG] Figure 3: Through the appendages (hair follicles, glands)
    As shown in Figure 3, the third pathway for diffusion of chemicals into and through the skin is skin appendages (i.e., hair follicles and glands). This pathway is usually insignificant because the surface area of the appendages is very small compared to the total skin area. However, very slowly permeating chemicals may employ this pathway during the initial stage of absorption.

    Thats from the CDC ^

    This if from OSHA:

    "Most chemicals are readily absorbed through the skin and can cause other health effects and/or contribute to the dose absorbed by inhalation of the chemical from the air. Many studies indicate that absorption of chemicals through the skin can occur without being noticed by the worker. In many cases, skin is a more significant route of exposure than the lung." http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/dermalexposure/index.html

    How about a scholarly paper on the subject?

    Distribution of cannabinoid receptor 1 (CB1) and 2 (CB2) on sensory nerve fibers and adnexal structures in human skin - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15927811

    Summary

    Background:

    Cannabinoid receptors mediate the psychopharmacological action of marijuana and have been localized in the central and peripheral nervous system as well as on cells of the immune system.
    Objective:

    Up to now, two cannabinoid receptors (CB1 and CB2) have been cloned and recent studies on animal tissue gave evidence for the presence of cannabinoid receptors in the skin.
    Methods:

    In the present immunohistochemical investigation we determined the precise localization of CB1 and CB2 in sections of human skin and in one case of mastocytosis.
    Results:

    CB1 and CB2 immunoreactivity was observed in cutaneous nerve fiber bundles, mast cells, macrophages, epidermal keratinocytes, and the epithelial cells of hair follicles, sebocytes and eccrine sweat glands. In epidermal keratinocytes, hair follicle and sebaceous glands, CB1 and CB2 were distributed in a complementary fashion. Double-immunostaining with an anti-CGRP antibody suggested the presence of cannabinoid receptors on small afferent peptidergic nerves.
    Conclusion:

    The abundant distribution of cannabinoid receptors on skin nerve fibers and mast cells provides implications for an anti-inflammatory, anti-nociceptive action of cannabinoid receptor agonists and suggests their putatively broad therapeutic potential.
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    vilify

    vilify Well-Known Member

    Guess ill chime in after all..

    I have no doubts you can absorb it through your skin. They are after all, oils. The effects you receive from that, I cannot speculate.
    I DO NOT touch my bud while its growing, and i DO NOT trim without gloves. (wasnt always this way, but it sure as hell is now.)
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    beginner.legal.growop

    beginner.legal.growop Active Member

    this is IMPOSSIBLE because you have to burn the chemicals with something above 150 degrees to have it affect you. When I was a kid I was told if you ate weed you would get high because your stomach acids burned it, and I puked. Your statement makes about as much sense as when I was told that as a kid. :) I have trimmed weed and never felt shit.

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