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hydroMD

hydroMD

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jijiandfarmgang said:
Well, I'm going to give Church credit for mentioning this recently, but back in the day people didn't talk about brewing teas and using chilers just to get by.

Basically, I shouldn't have to continually add or brew bennies just to successfully grow a healthy plant hydroponically.

The idea behind hydroponics is to not recreate what happens in nature, at least that's my interpretation.

- Jiji
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Well, as I have stated atleast once on here, they are not a necessity to grow healthy plants. However if growing healthy plants is the only thing you aspire to do, we are not one in the same. Im a connoisseur, and a hobbyist. The fun of growing for me comes from experimentation and constantly upping your game.



Please elaborate on how the point of dwc is NOT to recreate what happens in nature?


Dwc process is exactly what happens in nature. O2 and nutrients are supplied to the roots (like in nature). You have just taken dirt out of the equation, thus having to supplement the O2 saturation in the medium and fully control NPK. The process is still exactly the same. All crucial elements provided in nature need be present.


Edit: And in response to ppl not talking about this *back in the day*: Its a practice that has been used in agriculture for the last 25 years on the commercial level. The research and product boom in the last decade has increased its popularity with cannabis growers. 15 years ago the only people really talking about it were in collaboration with research universities like Oregon State, Washington state, UC Davis and Cornell just to name a few, which means cannabis growers (unless already in the large scale commercial ag business) wouldn't have access to info or products.

And lets not forget that advancements do occur throughout our civilization. With your logic we would all still be using A tracks and walkmen
 
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ounevinsmoke

ounevinsmoke

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hydroMD said:
Well, as I have stated atleast once on here, they are not a necessity to grow healthy plants. However if growing healthy plants is the only thing you aspire to do, we are not one in the same. Im a connoisseur, and a hobbyist. The fun of growing for me comes from experimentation and constantly upping your game.



Please elaborate on how the point of dwc is NOT to recreate what happens in nature?


Dwc process is exactly what happens in nature. O2 and nutrients are supplied to the roots (like in nature). You have just taken dirt out of the equation, thus having to supplement the O2 saturation in the medium and fully control NPK. The process is still exactly the same. All crucial elements provided in nature need be present.


Edit: And in response to ppl not talking about this *back in the day*: Its a practice that has been used in agriculture for the last 25 years on the commercial level. The research and product boom in the last decade has increased its popularity with cannabis growers. 15 years ago the only people really talking about it were in collaboration with research universities like Oregon State, Washington state, UC Davis and Cornell just to name a few, which means cannabis growers (unless already in the large scale commercial ag business) wouldn't have access to info or products.

And lets not forget that advancements do occur throughout our civilization. With your logic we would all still be using A tracks and walkmen
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eight -track, lol you kids, and walkman
 
hydroMD

hydroMD

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Vumaris post: 11365422 said:
Its informational, I cant decide if I agree with either side.
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Neither side Is right or wrong, per say. KISS is great for a reason, but so is supercharging your medium.

Fact is, there's so much BS that floats around this site that unless your talking to ppl that have first hand experience, people usually get offensive when someone you give out less than common knowledge lol

Then someone that's grown for 4 years and finally have their feet wet that think they haveblearned all there is to learn about horticulture.... makes for interesting debates (which is all im doing)
 
Blakhash

Blakhash

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Vumar said:
Its informational, I cant decide if I agree with either side.
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What you have been given is several options, when haze finally stopped talking s*** and put up some Information we were given another option, so you have three choices on how to dwc, hazes meth lab, I mean water lab, chiller, and brewing tea, each will Have there benefits and down sides, electrical failure, forgetting to add more, or having a bad starting water supply. This whole post spun outta Control and wayyy off topic.
 
jijiandfarmgang

jijiandfarmgang

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hydroMD said:
Please elaborate on how the point of dwc is NOT to recreate what happens in nature?
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The goal behind DWC is vigorous rapid growth. With DWC you can precisely control nutrient availability (synthetic nutrients) dissolved oxygen and root temp.
I figure this is self explanatory. Sure at the end of the day plants still have the same needs, this doesn't mean your trying to mimic nature.
If your goal was to recreate nature, why wouldn't you use soil? Is there some sort of soil shortage or something?

- Jiji

Edit: I made a reply to all your statements, but I started to sound like a broken record so I removed them
 
hydroMD

hydroMD

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jijiandfarmgang said:
The goal behind DWC is vigorous rapid growth. With DWC you can precisely control nutrient availability (synthetic nutrients) dissolved oxygen and root temp.
I figure this is self explanatory. Sure at the end of the day plants still have the same needs, this doesn't mean your trying to mimic nature.
If your goal was to recreate nature, why wouldn't you use soil? Is there some sort of soil shortage or something?

- Jiji

Edit: I made a reply to all your statements, but I started to sound like a broken record so I removed them
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1) like you said, dwc grows more aggressively, so why not be able to have tippy top shelf bud, that grows fast, AND is organic in hydro??? I dunno how u cant grasp this concept. Sure dwc doesnt occur IN nature, but that's not my point... its that you are not providing anything to the plant it wouldn't get in nature, just providing it in a way to gain effeciency

2) I do grow soil as well, but veg time is longer so its nice to have some hydro ladies running as well... plenty of soil around

3) What in DWC is happening to the plant that doesnt happen in nature? NOTHING. There is no magical instance that defies nature in dwc. Sure, your delivering the food yourself, but YOUR STILL PROVIDING THE ESSENTIALS FOR GROWTH!! THE SAME EXACT ESSENTIALS THAT ARE REQUIRE IN NATURE.

Edit: This is like saying that using hps instead of fluorescents is NOT to mimick sunlight in nature because you like fluorescents better... zero reasoning just personal bias
 
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hydroMD

hydroMD

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Im done arguing with you considering you have zero experience on the subject. Keep an open mind and try some new things. You might just start growing better buds
 
jijiandfarmgang

jijiandfarmgang

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hydroMD said:
1) like you said, dwc grows more aggressively, so why not be able to have tippy top shelf bud, that grows fast, AND is organic in hydro??? I dunno how u cant grasp this concept. Sure dwc doesnt occur IN nature, but that's not my point... its that you are not providing anything to the plant it wouldn't get in nature, just providing it in a way to gain effeciency
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Organic hydro :wall:

Why are you adamant on organic hydro?

Do you think that Organic hydro yield is higher than synthetic? Studies say no

Do you think that Organic hydro is healthier than synthetic? Studies say no (heavy metals)

Is it your opinion that Organic hydro has a superior taste/aroma? Maybe to you it does. It doesn't to me. My patients can't tell the difference. Of course if you asked some of them they would assume organic is better because of status quo and culture/buzz.

hydroMD said:
3) What in DWC is happening to the plant that doesnt happen in nature? NOTHING. There is no magical instance that defies nature in dwc. Sure, your delivering the food yourself, but YOUR STILL PROVIDING THE ESSENTIALS FOR GROWTH!! THE SAME EXACT ESSENTIALS THAT ARE REQUIRE IN NATURE.
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Plants still need the essentials, if they didn't they wouldn't be essentials. That goes without saying. You're supplying essentials in different ways and different amounts. Nitrogen cycle,Phosphorus cycle, bacteria processes, soil food web, etc in nature is a lot different than dumping calcium nitrate in a aerated water tank indoors. I don't know why you think its the same.

hydroMD said:
Im done arguing with you considering you have zero experience on the subject. Keep an open mind and try some new things. You might just start growing better buds
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Zero experience? You must be confusing me for someone else.

- Jiji
 
ounevinsmoke

ounevinsmoke

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jijiandfarmgang said:
type in search engine "organic nutrients heavy metals"


- Jiji
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No need, I assumed if someone were to do an organic grow they would create there own soup. Buying organic nutes, lol this is hialrious to me as the thought never crossed my mind. Guess people have to make a living.

Also, organic hydro done properly would be healthier imo, as no chelated salts or EDTA would be involved. Hydro is already tough enough though I would not recommend organic hydro.
 
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Jmonzon

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SnaFuu said:
yeah so i already stated bubbling tea isn't a requirement. And i'm only here to help the OP decide what's best for HIS setup. Obviously i am an advocate of the tea, but i was merely trying to clear up some BS in order to help the OP make an informed decision.

Also, to the OP;
take everyone advice with a grain of salt, mine included. Maybe i'm full of shit like so many on here! :eyesmoke::roll:


600w hps + T5 supplement DWC White Widow week 6
(my latest run)
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nice! Question but if I have a chiller connected will this cancel out the need for me to use hydroguard or tea or anything
 
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Jmonzon

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Hydroburn said:
no, your ph/ppm advice to prevent root rot is retarded. warm water, low oxygen, and light leaks cause the most root problems in DWC, and ph/ppm won't do shit to solve that.

this whole forum is just full of bullshit, you try to give someone decent advice "run bennies" and people just come in saying retarded shit, and wanting to argue even when they actually agree with you... I really don't care what people do with their grows... I'm out.
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do you think a chiller would cancel out the need for all these other products because I also do hydro nd my results temps are high.
 
mr4tune

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Organic and hydro in the same sentence makes me cringe. I'm sterile. My nutsack and my systems.

Not sayin there aren't guys having success using live systems but idk... rather kill em than feed em.
 
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