Anyone hit those biotches with brown sugar and molasses during flower?

I'm not even trying to start shit with you. I find it seriously hard to believe that any good can come out of using sulfuric acid in a dilute or concentrate liquid. I can understand as much as what's left behind in pumice, like extremely small buffered amounts. But I can't understand pouring dilute sulfuric acid into a pot. The liquid would not be buffered near as well and I suspect it would be more direct and intense. Especially when you mean taking it straight from car batteries and diluting it. You should just amend a soil with a sulfurous mineral and nute/fert mix. Sulfur can be more easily overdone than phosphorus or nitrogen. I don't know why you wouldn't use something besides sulfur for pH down, and why you wouldn't use a more buffered form of sulfur like a soil amendment.

I just googled sulfuric acid cannabis and in all the places I'm seeing it mentioned, everyone seems to agree that using sulfuric acid is bad news.

sidewing said:

Sucanat is not pure cane sugar. It's whole cane sugar.. It's unrefined.. It retains its molasses content. It's the non syrup form of molasses

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Wah! wah wa
"Pure, Unrefined, Whole" all the same package sport. "Pure" in the sense it's not "refined"....So fucking what?

Olive Drab Green said:

Battery acid is hydrochloric acid. Don't use that. Hydrogen chloride is like bleach salts. Don't use strong acids or bases like that, they are below and above any range you need. You could dilute it, but I strongly feel that you don't want something that caustic in your pot or rez. Like, especially if you're busted, they'll bring in a meth cleanup squad.

As I said, in organics, pH is much less important. With synthetics, you're using chelates (base elements bound to salts) which require a certain range for the bond to the salt to be broken by the rhizosphere. In organics, your microbes eat your organic matter and shit out what the roots can immediately take up. There's so much buffering that unless you're at 8.5 or 4.5, you should have no issue.

You just want a little natural sulfur or organically derived sulfates for terpene and resin production. Too much will be worse than applying too much nitrogen.

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Your fluttering around the whole idea of NO pHing needed in soil organics at ALL! I have a pH pen for my E-Z cloner and that's all it ever gets used for!

If you grow right, you don't need to pH synthetic use in soil either!

Although, extended periods of low or high pH will cause problems.....Usually low problems from over water/feeding. The problem can be brought on by "flushing" also......

Just adding a bit Green.....

Dr. Who said:

Your fluttering around the whole idea of NO pHing needed in soil organics at ALL! I have a pH pen for my E-Z cloner and that's all it ever gets used for!

If you grow right, you don't need to pH synthetic use in soil either!

Although, extended periods of low or high pH will cause problems.....Usually low problems from over water/feeding. The problem can be brought on by "flushing" also......

Just adding a bit Green.....

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I had said that earlier, actually. I said specifically that you don't pH in organics at all due to the way it buffers. We were just discussing the practice in general, bud. I dunno about you, but I can't see something good happening, taking car batteries apart to dilute their acid for pH down, in any case. Not only is it dangerous, there are simpler ways. Like spending a few bucks on actual pH down.

Olive Drab Green said:

I had said that earlier, actually. I said specifically that you don't pH in organics at all due to the way it buffers. We were just discussing the practice in general, bud. I dunno about you, but I can't see something good happening, taking car batteries apart to dilute their acid for pH down, in any case. Not only is it dangerous, there are simpler ways. Like spending a few bucks on actual pH down.

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OH, see ,, that's what I get for skipping pages!

Party on dude!

Olive Drab Green said:

I had said that earlier, actually. I said specifically that you don't pH in organics at all due to the way it buffers. We were just discussing the practice in general, bud. I dunno about you, but I can't see something good happening, taking car batteries apart to dilute their acid for pH down, in any case. Not only is it dangerous, there are simpler ways. Like spending a few bucks on actual pH down.

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Who the fuck said anything about taking batteries apart ..... . And yes glad your reading up on something that you didn't know shit about but felt the need to get involved. And actually there are many growers that use sulphuric acid. And when did I say it was a better choice? Now your just being a dick . And pointing out inaccuracies is not trolling. Honestly you must admit you knew shit about sulphuric acid and still don't .... Right?

Budley Doright said:

Who the fuck said anything about taking batteries apart ..... . And yes glad your reading up on something that you didn't know shit about but felt the need to get involved. And actually there are many growers that use sulphuric acid. And when did I say it was a better choice? Now your just being a dick . And pointing out inaccuracies is not trolling. Honestly you must admit you knew shit about sulphuric acid and still don't .... Right?

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he says you shouldn't need to ph in organics because of the way it buffers, while implying that there is no buffering when using synthetics.
As I said earlier,
LOL

Dr.Nick Riviera said:

he says you shouldn't need to ph in organics because of the way it buffers, while implying that there is no buffering when using synthetics.
As I said earlier,
LOL

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Seems I said that also, but that's not how this all started .... Just spouting shit that was wrong which is happening more and more and yup I guess I get a bit agitated, my bad, but then really why say shit about things you have no clue about.

Budley Doright said:

Who the fuck said anything about taking batteries apart ..... . And yes glad your reading up on something that you didn't know shit about but felt the need to get involved. And actually there are many growers that use sulphuric acid. And when did I say it was a better choice? Now your just being a dick . And pointing out inaccuracies is not trolling. Honestly you must admit you knew shit about sulphuric acid and still don't .... Right?

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How am I being a dick? I'm simply disagreeing objectively. I have no issue with you, Bud.

Your being a dick by again saying shit I never said and actually proving you know nothing about the subject ..... Taking batteries apart, umm ya right .....fuck, and where did I say any thing is better than another thing. That is total bullshit as I am very careful not to recommend anything but give only my results, as all good newbs should do lol. This could have ended a long time ago if you would have just admitted that you know fuck all about it and yes you were wrong, but nope. Started talking about taking batteries apart and showing an MDS that is for high strength undiluted shit. And also you are saying everything you found said not to use it ..... Try a search here and see what you find, and yup there are lots of people using it but I don't give a crap if they use it or not, just saying you can, it works and your hand won't fall off if it gets on you .

Dr.Nick Riviera said:

he says you shouldn't need to ph in organics because of the way it buffers, while implying that there is no buffering when using synthetics.
As I said earlier,
LOL

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Actually missed that and that the sulphuric doesn't buffer as well either ..... Hmmmm .

I use vegemite too lower ph

Earth juice grow/bloom = ph hella fucking down lol

wtf does any of that have to do with whether or not any of us use molasses or brown sugar?

i use molasses and brown sugar all the time. on oatmeal.
if you're using a live culture in your soil, then molasses is a good thing in small doses, if you aren't running a culture in your soil and you use molasses, you will be running a culture, it just won't be a culture you want. put microbe food in your soil and you'll get microbes. just probly not the ones you want

Dr. Who said:

Wah! wah wa
"Pure, Unrefined, Whole" all the same package sport. "Pure" in the sense it's not "refined"....So fucking what?

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not trying to argue with you. just stating facts. sucanat is not the same thing as cane sugar. its dehydrated molasses.. i dont need to convince anyone.. just offering some knowledge ive gained from years of trials, errors, and experience... which is why i simply brought up the fact from my experience it works equally as well (better even) and is much easier to clean/handle than the thick syrup that is molasses.

in regards to the sulfuric acid.. its not taking batteries apart and using used battery acid.. you buy it clean from the auto store.. (kragen, o'reilleys, autozone etc) and its already diluted as has been said.. doesnt hurt to get on your hands at all. and sulfuric acid is used in commercial farming applications quite often as a ph adjust/flavor enhancer. from a chemical makeup standpoint.. there is no difference from the plants perspective whether it comes from sulfuric acid or potassium sulfate or some other 'natural' form of sulfur.. its the same chemical makeup, and the plant uses it exactly the same. the reason its considered an acid is because of the low ph.. plain and simple... the fact that its an acid doesn't make it harmful when you're not doing dumb shit with it. sure dump it in your eye and it becomes dangerous. no more dangerous than eating a handful of guano.

Langbeinite.

Also, there is a huge difference between applying dry mineral sulfur that will leach sulfuric acid in smaller, buffered, controlled amounts and applying industrial sulfuric acid meant for cars directly to a plant. You guys are like fiends, man. Scrounging, using industrial chemicals when the normal thing to use is already cheap.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

wtf does any of that have to do with whether or not any of us use molasses or brown sugar?

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Not a thing .

Somebody needs to link up that "put powdered milk on my flowering plants" thread. Then we'd have the trifecta on this thread.