Anybody receive MMPR marihuana yet? Give us a report.

Kootenaygirl

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I have personally done no milling. But I have trimmed countless KG's of both wet and dry marihuana and the dry marihuana lets the trichomes or crystals fall off which is the main source of the thicker stickier resin. I just thought it can't gum up your machine as bad if the crystal doesn't fall off, though I suspect that the wet marihuana wouldn't even work in the machine at all due to it's fiborous qualities. Production over quality.

I take your point about your name on the bottle and the legallity, Magenta Thumb, but this is not penicillin, you only reinforce my point that you should stop ignoring, the fact that marihuana will never stay in your nice little labelled bottle. Sharing the "joint" might be holding the medical aspect of marihuana back, true. But to deny that this is the nature of the beast, is only self denial and burying your head in the sand. Let us face the realities of marihuana, not some pretend world where you don't pass the reefer, patient, bottle, or not.

You don't use marihuana because a label tells you to, your hilarious, the fact that it is prescribed by the day even, is akin to the stupidity that HC used when they effectively eliminated drinking it (juicing) and encouraged smoking. A monthly prescription (especially for women) is way more medically on the mark.

Some like the vaporizer better, but most like smoking better, the reason is simple, the "desired results" are quite different. I also recommend trying the vaporizer if you can afford a good one. Personally I prefer smoking, but like the vaporizer, when smell or smoke is an issue to others and when my gout acts up. Using a vaporizer to "moderate the harshness" is what you do when you get stuck with inferior marihuana, quality marihuana is never harsh.

Obviously, Magenta Thumb, your mother used the iodine treatment for your scrapes, and used buckleys for your cough, my mother used polysporin and Flinstones cough syrup. Why make it less desirable, you would have us take it through a needle if you thought it made it more acceptable to the medical community, I say screw them, the doctors will come around, not because they want to, but because we will continue to demand it? Some LP's are going to succumb to that pressure, in their sterile clinic like websites, trying in vain to impress Health Canada and people like Magenta thumb, (who doesn't actually use it), others will let the marihuana they grow speak for itself.

Milling marihuana takes my options, as a patient away from me, and could hide potentially inferior marihuana, all the while reducing the quality by not letting me remove the stem or crystal effectively. If you need a homogenous blend to get "better" test results, then mill away, but don't make me try to pick the stem out of my medicine after PPS mixes it all in together.

I use a grinder that has a keif screen, I call the keif "hippycrack" because it is so powerful against my pain. I choose when I will smoke the keif carefully to regulate the pain and the narcotic effect, milling would end my ability to regulate myself and deny me what really works the best. When you look at a bud, (if you ever have), there is different potentcies from the top of it to the bottom, I smoke, different parts for different results, saving the tip for higher dosage times of need. Understand, I don't smoke more, I smoke differently.

Milling is anti marihuana
and Health Canada knows it, that is why they milled under the MMAR. I believe in the medicinal results I and many other people have gotten from marihuana, but I will not throw full legalization under the bus by reducing it's desirability, to appease some doctors with their head up their asses.

We need to keep marihuana as good and potent as possible, to make sure that every patient and soon consumer that tries it, get's "the desired effect". Don't take the good tasting cough syrup off the shelf just because it is medicine, soon to be legalized in the mainstream.

When I quit smoking cigarettes, I used nicorette gum and I could bite off the appropriate sized chunk for the intensity of the withdrawal, the patch was not adjustable. Marihuana has that adjustable ability and can also affect 5 different ailments(withdrawals), all or one at a time, but only if you get the raw materials to decide how to use them yourself. It is 5 drugs or more in one. The complexities of benefits that are lost in the milling process is criminal and against patient treatment.

Marihuana would not work for me if I only had one type or potency, milling effectively takes my ability to use a non addictive medicine away from me. I believe that pre rolled marihuana cigarettes (milling) will never be accepted by "real patients", they know. Pre rolled will be for the teenagers who don't know and can't roll and for going to the bar.

Keep trying to put cannabis in that lantern Magenta Thumb, I'll keep rubbing it, to let her out. Marihuana is that genie, that can give you the three wishes, and if your still high after four hours call your doctor and thank him.
 

WHATFG

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No, you don't get it. The social sharing aspect of MM might be one of the things preventing MM patients from being taken seriously as bona fide patients-in-need. MMPR MM is a prescription med - treat it as such. The MD is supposed to be prescribing a certain amount per day and expects that you will adhere to that and finish your bottle unless there is a medical reason to deviate. You are not supposed to be sharing it out with friends and family. Your name is on that bottle, no one else's.

I have no sympathy for any of you who only smoke it and have not tried to use a vapouriser. If you have the same harsh effects with the vapouriser, then I think you have a case, but all the reading I have done suggests that the lower temperatures used during vapourisation lead to fewer byproducts and should moderate the harshness. Have you used something like a Volcano or have you only ever smoked it? Getting back to insulin, diabetics jab themselves routinely with needles. I doubt they enjoy it. They do it because they have to. While you are literally sucking it up, I suggest you also do so figuratively.

By the way, how much kilogram-scale milling of green plant material have you done? Have you found it flows through the mill better if it has not been dried?
Sharing is the only way some people come to realize how effective this plant really is? I think your comparison to insulin is misplaces though- insulin will kill someone who doesn't need it, marijuana won't do anything but make you stoned!!I totally agree with you that mmpr mm is a prescription med and should be treated as such. So give it a place in the pharm compendium and charge a reasonable price for it. Md's do not want to be the gate keepers of this program, and while there are docs that will prescribe it, I don't believe it is going to become a common occurrence simply because the rules changed.

Have you ever used marihuana either medicinally or recreationally? If not, you really should give it a try and then come back and tell us how your experience went. I suspect it will change some of your opinions...but I've been wrong before lol.

I smoked it for years until I discovered the vaporizer. Having said that, there are times when I can't wait for the vaporizer to heat up and I need that instant relief from a back spasm that prevents me from breathing properly. All I have to do is get a couple of puffs in and I'm good to go. I think something else that people who don't use don't understand, at least for me, I don't get stoned from this. It's the herb in toto that makes it effective for so many ailments.
 

Kootenaygirl

Active Member
Please tell us all about your first hand, MMPR marihuana experience, from a patients point of veiw. Many questions on top of pg. 1 of this thread. BUMP.
 

leaffan

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what I find interesting is his "were bigger buds in there" comment.
Cannimed mills, so how is there buds?

Also if you look at the comments list...you will find Marco shopping for customers LMAO
 

Kootenaygirl

Active Member
You rock leaffan, picture is a thousand words, good luck holding your current market share Cannimed. Please take a picture of your MMPR purchase for us too, fellow posters, awesome.
 

leaffan

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I have to give credit where credit is due.
Peace Natural is selling at $6/g, and is offering a 50% discount to people on disability allowance or social assistance. That's $3/g for those that are most needy.
So kudos, nice to see.
 

WHATFG

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so i guess people will have to show some kind of financial report? how else are they going to be able to tell the difference? who determines what "most needy" means? will the quality of the medication be any different?
 

leaffan

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That is the way to do business, he won't be alone for long either, is this the way to keep big pharma out?
No I dont think this sell point will effect big pharma in the slightest. I believe that at $3/g is a very small segment of the market. I'm sure they have the stats.
I hate to say this, but I'm going to...At $3/g it does open up the possibility for product diversion.

If this low sell price was introduced to the larger marketplace then things would become interesting. I think you could expect some regulatory slapping from HC if this happened. I would take a look at Colorado to see how LPs handled a price war. It wasn't the low ballers that survived.
 

leaffan

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so i guess people will have to show some kind of financial report? how else are they going to be able to tell the difference? who determines what "most needy" means? will the quality of the medication be any different?
Good questions
 

Kootenaygirl

Active Member
I agree with you leaffan, the amount of diversion would hardly be worth a mention though I think.

Big Pharma will try to crush us with deep pockets and cheap marihuana (notice i said cheap, not inexpensive), $3.00 per gram and less is where they see the future, all rolled up, ready for the bar. Ironically, quality cannabis is still selling for less than that here now in the kootenays, not much room for the black market here.

I would be a survivor in a price war, but that would be crazy in an ever expanding market with full legalization in sight. Stupid people will never cease to amaze me, put them in groups and they can be unstoppable.

What do you mean by "regulatory slapping", what might that look like?
 

leaffan

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I don't think you will see the "big" players selling at low prices...just my opinion. I think they will stay the course..expensive, and ride out diminished sales with their deep pockets. The big guys can afford one or two years of non profit.

We've seen the price shift in Ontario too. Funny thing is the "end user" still pays the same here. The middleman has enjoyed an increased profit margin.

Re regulatory slapping...I guess what I mean is if HC doesn't like the way the market is developing ( big boys not profitable, small guys enjoying life at low margins ) I wouldn't be surprised to see new regulations come into play. Costly regulations that small guys won't be able to handle. Say for example a new mandatory software, or demand labs in every facility, or even introduce a very expensive licence fee...they can dream up whatever they want. Drive the operating costs up to drive the sell price up, and make their friends (big players) happy again.

I don't under estimate the lobbying power of the big players. Maybe I'm just cynical or paranoid? (my wife thinks I'm nuts)
 

trip96

Active Member
Leffan, I am also worried about the political part of this whole MMPR. On one hand you have people wanting to destroy MMPR to save the MMAR. On the other you have the government who is known for appeasing the 'big players' regulating the program.

I would worry about those kind of 'regulatory slaps' you cite too. Big business has a sort of strangle hold on western economy.

However, for some reason I keep getting the thought, and feeling ,that all of this is heading to straight legalization. There are legalization and policy changes in the United states right now and globally. If Canada were to legalize those who got started under this MMPR umbrella would be at an advantage. But, this is all speculating and who really knows. We need to see how these applications from other members here are handled. I love keeping my eyes peeled and wish the community of small growers success.
 

Kootenaygirl

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Straight towards legalization, no doubt. Racing the us feds.

A highly regulated recreational market like booze.

"Peace sells, but who's buying?" New meaning to an old song by Megadeth. Who has tried Metrum or Peace cannabis?
 

leaffan

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Leffan, I am also worried about the political part of this whole MMPR. On one hand you have people wanting to destroy MMPR to save the MMAR. On the other you have the government who is known for appeasing the 'big players' regulating the program.

I would worry about those kind of 'regulatory slaps' you cite too. Big business has a sort of strangle hold on western economy.

However, for some reason I keep getting the thought, and feeling ,that all of this is heading to straight legalization. There are legalization and policy changes in the United states right now and globally. If Canada were to legalize those who got started under this MMPR umbrella would be at an advantage. But, this is all speculating and who really knows. We need to see how these applications from other members here are handled. I love keeping my eyes peeled and wish the community of small growers success.
I view the MMPR as a stepping stone to legalization. I would assume that LPs would have an easier time switching over when the time comes versus new players.
 

doyoulikegreen

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I have to give credit where credit is due.
Peace Natural is selling at $6/g, and is offering a 50% discount to people on disability allowance or social assistance. That's $3/g for those that are most needy.
So kudos, nice to see.
It is nice to see, I'm in the middle of registering with them now. However, I got an email from them saying that the 50% off only applies to one gram per day. It's helpful to us with low incomes, but i think 1gram is chinsey
 
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