2010 ballot!!!!!!! CALIFORNIA

I would guess that if it is legalized, regulated and taxed, somehow it will in turn be illegal to cultivate it yourself as the government cannot regulate your crops

4saigon said:

I do not live in California, however In my opinion, to tax marijuana is complete bullshit. I don't want to give one more dime to our money hungry government, in which they will always be desperate for more money.... If it passes in California then the same sort of taxing, and regulations will ultimately spread throughout the united states in time... Our country has come along way since the founding of our country... when the government taxed the citizens for 1 thing after another, and we were fed up with it. and now we as citizens openly want the taxation of cannabis.... "to get out of this deficit.." then they will spend all that money and will need to get out of the next "deficit"... The whole idea of taxing cannabis is a slap in the face to the plant itself, to be free... This is not the path I want Mary Jane to go down... those taxes will end up in federal funds and be used on "defense" overseas to kill 1,000's of innocent people in the name of protecting americans from terrorism. I WONT PAY A F.CKING PENNY OF THAT TAX IF IT COMES TO MY STATE.
peace and oneness always....

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i'm sorry that's complete bullshit, if you hold to that then don't buy anything (taxes from shit) don't pay property tax, because that goes to defense rather you like it or not. and don't buy gas because that money fund's terrorists.

so your statement holds no weight. plus people are gonna locally grow it. it won't be like tobacco where only certain companies can grow it

ASA needs your help to stop Los Angeles City Attorney Carmen Trutanich from pushing an ordinance through the City Council that could effectively ban medical cannabis collectives in the city. On Monday, October 16, the Planning and Land Use Management (PLUM) Committee and Public Safety Committee will consider this badly flawed draft ordinance. Can you take a moment to call the committee members before that meeting and tell them to reject the City Attorney’s ordinance?
A simple phone call can make a big difference! Just call the committee members and say, “I am a medical cannabis supporter calling to ask the Councilmember to reject the draft medical cannabis ordinance prepared by City Attorney Carmen Trutanich.”
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Join us on Monday, November 16, to ask committee members in person to reject the ordinance, and adopt one that protects patients’ privacy and ensures that collectives can stay open. This is an important point in the process, because the draft ordinance may go to the full City Council for approval after this committee hearing.
What: Joint PLUM and Public Safety Committee meeting
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Where: Room 350, City Hall, 200 N. Spring Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
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Arrive early to complete a public speaker’s card if you want to talk with the joint committee on Monday. You may have as little as one minute to speak. Keep your comments brief and on topic!
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nah.....I don't own a dispensary. My interests lie with me. I grow my own green and so should everyone else. Those filthy dispensary running bastards are all criminals.

None of the risk of a street dealer, but still the same prices? I'm tired of it, bud shouldn't cost $50-$60 /8th. When the "Pioneers" of this movement stop lining their own pockets I'll get in on their cause, but until then, fight your own fights.

you all seem to be missing the point. let them tax there asses off it wont matter EVERYONE will be growing there own. and if they don't a friend our relative will. we can buy it from one of them and what kind of friend is gonna charge a tax or pay uncle fucker a pot tax. no one i know !

Right, that's in all the bills they try to put through. Sales tax only, no taxing people on what they grow for themselves. I've been reading up on the issues and sometimes it seems like people are speaking against taxation just to cause argument and divide the cause. Not always, but does it feel to you like there's a slight undercurrent of subversion? Maybe I'm just paranoid at the moment, lol.

I am on the fence...I believe that if cannibus is completely legalized than I agree with it's taxation but if its only available medically (as it is now), then there should be no tax because your talking about peoples well being, the ability for them to pursue life, liberty and happiness. For some the ability to keep food down, for others it keeps the muscles spasm at bay.

If the city, county, or state wants to reap the benefit of tax dollars, then legalize and tax. Its the best way to go about it as it saves money on law enforcement, in the prison system and brings in money through taxing, licensing for cannabis related business, etc. I am all for cannabis being treated as an intoxicant like alcohol, age limits for ingestion, taxation, etc provided IT IS LEGAL LIKE ALCOHOL, but if your gonna say medical only then have some compassion for people and don't gouge them for something they require to live happily.

Oh, and the reason medicine prices are completely outrageous because the dispensaries are basically forced to sell it at prices that guarantee that no one can resell it for a profit.

My .02

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i can already legally obtain and own cannabis. I know a lot of people who would be out of a job if cannabis becomes legal. Also the last thinh i want is the government stepping in and trying to regulate my cannabis.

laserbrn said:

nah.....I don't own a dispensary. My interests lie with me. I grow my own green and so should everyone else. Those filthy dispensary running bastards are all criminals.

None of the risk of a street dealer, but still the same prices? I'm tired of it, bud shouldn't cost $50-$60 /8th. When the "Pioneers" of this movement stop lining their own pockets I'll get in on their cause, but until then, fight your own fights.

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ever hear of rent? property insurance? lawyer fees? i could go on. and on. and on.

running a business is NOT free. check the mark up on anything. bath towels are marked up well over what pot is.

fdd2blk said:

ever hear of rent? property insurance? lawyer fees? i could go on. and on. and on.

running a business is NOT free. check the mark up on anything. bath towels are marked up well over what pot is.

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I have seen the markups on things and it's not like pot. You can't possibly think it's not criminal what they are doing? Is it much harder to grow than tobacco? My cigarettes (although WAYYYY to heavily taxed) are much, much cheaper than pot is. They have more lawyers than anything you can imagine. They have more property than you can imagine. I grow pot, I know it costs, I know what the rent in a tiny little shithole in the bad parts of town cost too.

These guys are all clearing 700,000+ dollars a year running these dispensaries. It's not the way the system was designed and the medicine should be cheaper. You don't think it's criminal to supply patients with medicaiton at a cost of $50-$60 per DAY? I smoke about an 8th a day and I'm not willing to pay that price.

I'm not going to support the thugs that run the dispensaries and if you do that's your prerogative. Providing MEDICATION legally at blackmarket prices IS asinine.

laserbrn said:

I have seen the markups on things and it's not like pot. You can't possibly think it's not criminal what they are doing? Is it much harder to grow than tobacco? My cigarettes (although WAYYYY to heavily taxed) are much, much cheaper than pot is. They have more lawyers than anything you can imagine. They have more property than you can imagine. I grow pot, I know it costs, I know what the rent in a tiny little shithole in the bad parts of town cost too.

These guys are all clearing 700,000+ dollars a year running these dispensaries. It's not the way the system was designed and the medicine should be cheaper. You don't think it's criminal to supply patients with medicaiton at a cost of $50-$60 per DAY? I smoke about an 8th a day and I'm not willing to pay that price.

I'm not going to support the thugs that run the dispensaries and if you do that's your prerogative. Providing MEDICATION legally at blackmarket prices IS asinine.

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how many dispensary owners have you sat down with?

i know not of these places you speak of. we don't have that here. our "clubs" are legit.

fdd2blk said:

how many dispensary owners have you sat down with?

i know not of these places you speak of. we don't have that here. our "clubs" are legit.

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I've sat down with a few and they are all doin' just fine. More than fine. Come down to SoCal and check out the dispensary and you'll see what I mean. It didn't start this way, it was more like "clubs" and it was a great environment. They kept them real clean, and everything was nice. Once it caught on, it caught on like wildfire and everyone jumped in. The good, the bad and the greedy.

laserbrn said:

I've sat down with a few and they are all doin' just fine. More than fine. Come down to SoCal and check out the dispensary and you'll see what I mean. It didn't start this way, it was more like "clubs" and it was a great environment. They kept them real clean, and everything was nice. Once it caught on, it caught on like wildfire and everyone jumped in. The good, the bad and the greedy.

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we had one or two here like that years ago. they didn't last long.

fdd2blk said:

we had one or two here like that years ago. they didn't last long.

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Unfortunately they sprout up EVERYWHERE here, and everyone is shocked when they get raided. I used to frequent the better ones, but they are going away more and more. It's a thugs game out here now.

It's all incremental. We have to support what we can get now and afterwards we can move for even more reform. If we break down into factions now then they will win because we will have divided and conquered ourselves. We need to have some discipline. Now is the most dangerous time for our issues because we are seeing some success and that's the rope by which we'll hang ourseves. If we break down now into different factions and argue among ourselves then we'll not only fail to move ahead but we'll lose what we already have. We need to support the tax and regulate movement because that's our foot in the door. Once that is universal in America then we can support further movement forward towards open legalization. We just have to stick together and hold our ground now. This is the hour of our greatest challenge because the challenge comes from within.

PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1 said:

WOW, I guess you people in California, Do have major problems, In all reality weed is illegal, Please tell me anything that is not taxed? I'd Say for now just be Thankful There are any dispesaries in your state and 12 others? There are 50 States in this Union,,and it will be Hell or High water before it would even be considered in others, Sounds like a civil drug war there? Don't mean to sound crazy,,but take a look at the BIG picture on how far this fight has gone. and if some of you get your way, in 2012,,,They will be raided and shut down, Don't mean to offend or start a fight just saying what I see from the other Coast in a unfriendly state.

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I think some forget that this is a site for growers. I love growing and I love the way that it is. I don't want to see corporate greed and political hoodlems take it over and take all of the profits. I'm not saying all reform is bad, I'd just rather keep it in the "grey market" sorta speak. It's decriminalized in most states and my vote is to keep pushing for that. Keep drug offenders out of prisons yes, but I fear where corporate greed could take this. Could be completely unfounded, I'd just bet it won't be what everyone is looking for.

yea just get a medi-card. theyll do weird thing the reefer. the government will install microchips in the weed

GREY market. hahaha LOVE IT!!!

Some have referenced the bill that was introduced by a California State Rep.

The Tax Cannabis 2010 is a movement to get a proposition on the 2010 ballot. In Cali, the people can make laws also. The backers are the Oaksterdam guys and they have hired a signature gathering firm that has 100% success rate getting initiatives on ballots.

As we all know Cali is in deep sh!t financially. A tax in exchange for legalization is not a big deal...Pay it, occasionally, with pride.

As with home brewing, the proposition allows for home growing (most are too lazy for either) and an exemption from the tax for medical patients.

Anyone who does not support legalization is a wannabe drug dealer.