2010 ballot!!!!!!! CALIFORNIA

can.i.buz

Well-Known Member
You know one of the guys that wrote prop 215 and SB420 is totally against taxation right? He got fired because of his opinions.
 

can.i.buz

Well-Known Member
On Wednesday, October 28, representatives from NORML and California NORML will testify before the California Assembly Committee on Public Safety at an informational hearing entitled, "Legalization of Marijuana: Social, Fiscal and Legal Implications for California."

The hearing will take place from 10am to 1pm in Room 126 of the State Capitol in Sacramento. The hearing will be chaired by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, sponsor of Assembly Bill 390, the Marijuana Control, Regulation, and Education Act. You can read drafts of NORML's prepared testimony here and here.

This is expected to be a groundbreaking hearing and will set the table for future hearings on AB 390. Please show your support for marijuana law reform by contacting the Committee on Public Safety and expressing your support for AB 390 and sensible marijuana law reform.

Committee Members District Phone E-mail
Tom Ammiano - Chair
Dem-13 (916) 319-2013 [email protected]

Curt Hagman - Vice Chair
Rep-60 (916) 319-2060 [email protected]

Juan Arambula
Ind-31 (916) 319-2031 [email protected]

Warren T. Furutani
Dem-55 (916) 319-2055 [email protected]

Danny D. Gilmore
Rep-30 (916) 319-2030 [email protected]

Jerry Hill
Dem-19 (916) 319-2019 [email protected]

Fiona Ma
Dem-12 (916) 319-2012 [email protected]
 

laserbrn

Well-Known Member
Why is that?
You want to let the government regulate it and tax it? Have you ever seen how heavily they like to tax things? The federal gov't certainly won't recognize it as law anyway so you won't see giant corporate pot growing that would lower the price. It's just going to make pot more expensive than it already is. The system we've got is pretty good. I would say at this point that weed is more in the "grey" market in california than the black market and it's working fairly well.
 

muah12

Well-Known Member
Plus ab390 is a joke a legal bill waiting to voted on and every time it references cannabis it addresses it by the slang term "marijuana":confused:
 

laserbrn

Well-Known Member
Plus ab390 is a joke a legal bill waiting to voted on and every time it references cannabis it addresses it by the slang term "marijuana":confused:
How do you figure "Marijuana" is a slang term? It's an ACTUAL word and it refers to the dried leaves and female flowers of the hemp plant.

Marijuana is also a synonym for Cannabis an Hemp. I don't know why you would think it's a slang word.
 

can.i.buz

Well-Known Member
By Paul Armentano, AlterNet
Posted on October 28, 2009, Printed on October 28, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/143558/
The following is the testimony NORML Deputy Director Paul Armentano will deliver on Oct. 28 to the California Assembly Public Safety Committee's special hearing on "the legalization of marijuana: social, fiscal and legal implications for California." Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, sponsor of AB 390, The Marijuana Control, Regulation and Education Act, is the chairman of the committee.
By any objective standard, marijuana prohibition is an abject failure.
Nationwide, U.S. law enforcement have arrested over 20 million American citizens for marijuana offenses since 1965, yet today marijuana is more prevalent than ever before, adolescents have easier access to marijuana than ever before, the drug is more potent than ever before, and there is more violence associated with the illegal marijuana trade than ever before.
Over 100 million Americans nationally have used marijuana despite prohibition, and 1 in 10 -- according to current government survey data -- use it regularly.
The criminal prohibition of marijuana has not dissuaded anyone from using marijuana or reduced its availability; however, the strict enforcement of this policy has adversely impacted the lives and careers of millions of people who simply elected to use a substance to relax that is objectively safer than alcohol.
NORML believes that the state of California ought to amend criminal prohibition and replace it with a system of legalization, taxation, regulation and education.
The case for legalization and regulation
Only through state government regulation will we be able to bring necessary controls to the commercial marijuana market. (Note: Nonretail cultivation for adult personal use would arguably not be subject to such regulations, just as the personal, noncommercial production by adults of beer is not governed by such restriction.) By enacting state and local legislation on the retail production and distribution of marijuana, state and local governments can effectively impose controls regarding:
• which citizens can legally produce marijuana;
• which citizens can legally distribute marijuana;
• which citizens can legally consume marijuana; and where, and under what circumstances such use is legally permitted.
By contrast, the criminal prohibition of marijuana -- the policy the state of California has in place now -- provides law enforcement and state regulators with no legitimate market controls. This absence of state and local government controls jeopardizes rather than promotes public safety.
For example:
• Prohibition abdicates the control of marijuana production and distribution to criminal entrepreneurs (i.e. drug cartels, street gangs, drug dealers who push additional illegal substances);
• Prohibition provides young people with unfettered access to marijuana (e.g., according to a 2009 Columbia University report, adolescents now have easier access to marijuana than they do alcohol);
• Prohibition promotes the use of marijuana in inappropriate and potentially dangerous settings (e.g., in automobiles, in public parks, in public restrooms, etc.)
• Prohibition promotes disrespect for the law and reinforces ethnic and generation divides between the public and law enforcement. (According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report, 75 percent of all marijuana arrestees are under age 30; African Americans account for only 12 percent of marijuana users but make up 23 percent of all possession arrests).
Marijuana is not a harmless substance -- no potentially mind-altering substance is. But this fact is precisely why its commercial production and distribution ought to be controlled and regulated in manner similar to the licensed distribution of alcohol and cigarettes -- two legal substances that cause far greater harm to the individual user, and to society as a whole, than cannabis ever could.
Taxing and regulating cannabis in a manner similar to alcohol will bring long-overdue state oversight to a commercial market that is presently unregulated, uncontrolled and all too often inundated by criminal entrepreneurs.
While this alternative may not entirely eliminate the black-market demand for cannabis, it would certainly be preferable to today's blanket, although thoroughly ineffective, expensive and impotent, criminal prohibition.
Voters nationwide, and in California in particular, support ending criminal marijuana prohibition. This past spring, 56 percent of California voters expressed support for taxing and regulating marijuana in a statewide Field poll.
Doing so would give greater control to state law enforcement officials and regulators by imposing proper state restrictions and regulations on this existing and widespread marijuana market.
I urge this committee to move forward with the enactment of sensible regulations for legalizing marijuana.
Paul Armentano is the deputy director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) and is the co-author of the book Marijuana Is Safer: So Why Are We Driving People to Drink (2009, Chelsea Green).
© 2009 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/143558/
 

can.i.buz

Well-Known Member
UPDATED THURSDAY 10/29/09 - NORML representatives will be speaking about
the 3 raids and arrests by LAPD on collectives yesterday (10/28/09) in the
San Fernando Valley as well as the raid by LAPD last week on Craig Rubin's
Temple 420.

Please attend if you can.
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Los Angeles NORML Letter Writing Party @ Bruce Margolin's Office, Sun Nov
1st, 9-11:30 AM


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NOTE: We are extending an invitation to ALL patient activist groups to
attend and participate. We are also asking all activist organizations to
please circulate this notice to your members as we need to put our
collective thoughts together and come up with a plan. Thank you.

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Los Angeles NORML will be hosting a "Letter Writing Party" get together on
Sunday morning November 1st at Bruce Margolin's Law office in West
Hollywood from 9-11:30 am.

We are asking people to give us an hour of their time, that's all. More
would be great.

The purpose of the meeting will be to discuss the current situation in Los
Angeles and also to write letters to Los Angeles city officials about the
medical marijuana ordinance that will then be hand delivered to each
council members office on Monday Nov 2nd.

Also letters will be written to state officials urging support of AB 390,
the Ammiano bill.

In talks with aides to council members it has become clear that we need to
start an old fashioned letter writing campaign. Many aides have told me to
"have your people write letters instead of yelling outside".

What we are told constantly is that politicians like to look at stacks of
letters from constituents and point to them and say "look at all these
letters I get about this". Apparently emails and phone calls have a much
less effect, they are tallied and quantified but letters are actually
read.

And the more letters we write the greater our impact will be.

This could be groundbreaking, getting all the local activist patients and
groups together to plan a unified action.


What: Los Angeles NORML Letter Writing Party

Date: Sunday November 1, 2009

Time: 9-11:30 Am

Where: Law Offices of Bruce Margolin
8749 Holloway
West Hollywood, Ca 90069

We look forward to seeing you Sunday Nov 1, 2009.

Yes we cannabis!

For more info, please contact Brett Stone at: <[email protected]>
 

4saigon

Member
I do not live in California, however In my opinion, to tax marijuana is complete bullshit. I don't want to give one more dime to our money hungry government, in which they will always be desperate for more money.... If it passes in California then the same sort of taxing, and regulations will ultimately spread throughout the united states in time... Our country has come along way since the founding of our country... when the government taxed the citizens for 1 thing after another, and we were fed up with it. and now we as citizens openly want the taxation of cannabis.... "to get out of this deficit.." then they will spend all that money and will need to get out of the next "deficit"... The whole idea of taxing cannabis is a slap in the face to the plant itself, to be free... This is not the path I want Mary Jane to go down... those taxes will end up in federal funds and be used on "defense" overseas to kill 1,000's of innocent people in the name of protecting americans from terrorism. I WONT PAY A F.CKING PENNY OF THAT TAX IF IT COMES TO MY STATE.
peace and oneness always....
 

retardigraded

Active Member
Customers not being busted and offered deals would mean less raids on distributors due to snitches. Besides, who cares if they tax it if we grow our own?
 

Azgrow

Well-Known Member
people against taxing..while i agree overtaxing the poor an under taxing the rich is a sham..but to not tax people would simply be retarded....i like streets,schools,running water....things that are paid for via our tax's...tax's are the way the gov't is able to give back via public works....while i agree we are see'ing a stark rise in simple greed one day people will remmeber it's not just about themselves but the people as a whole...az
 

retardigraded

Active Member
I don't mean anyone here any disrespect, but I would rather see marijuana taxed than see my friends go to jail for smoking it, distributing it, or growing it.

Also lives are being lost in the drug war in Mexico, our main supplier of marijuana. We're not exactly taking the higher road by putting our money into the black market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War
 

laserbrn

Well-Known Member
I don't mean anyone here any disrespect, but I would rather see marijuana taxed than see my friends go to jail for smoking it, distributing it, or growing it.

Also lives are being lost in the drug war in Mexico, our main supplier of marijuana. We're not exactly taking the higher road by putting our money into the black market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War

So why not legalize and NOT tax it. Use tax (or sales tax) is one thing, but a specific tax on individual items is ludicrous. They should collect their now nearly 10% sales tax on it and that should be more than sufficient to line their pockets.
 

retardigraded

Active Member
Yeah, good point. I think the sin tax on alcohol and such is ridiculous and doesn't do anything to discourage users of those goods. But I would be willing to accept the same ridiculous tax if it's necessary for marijuana to be legalized....for now. To me, any step is a step in the right direction.

A thought: I know a bunch of people that have thought about growing. Compared to the commitment of say, brewing beer, it seems like much less of a hassle (granted I don't know anything about brewing beer). How many more people would grow their own and share with their friends if it were legalized? There would probably be a lot more readily available sources for homegrown, untaxable weed, but if you can't find any you could also go down to a shop and buy some there. Plus, I would love to trade clones or just give advice to my friends without fearing that the cops are gonna kick in my door someday.
 
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