2000w 30pot ebb&gro scrog Blueberry,Sourdiesel,BigBud ready for blast off.

frogster

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shed small.jpgIm running Dj shorts Blueberry kush, Sour Diesel and 6 Big Bud... 2000watts on a lightrail.. room is a 10x8 , fresh air from the house going through can filter with 6" inline and being blown back into my bathroom. I just cranked the nutes up to 525ppm and dropped the lights to 2.5ft. These babies are ready for blast off!
 

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Ok legal, I moved the lights down to about 20" over the top of the highest plant, i also moved all the plants closer together, they were too far spread out when the light moved one side wasnt getting hardly any light... The reservoir is a little crowded., I plan on moving a few things, fans etc... the one pic is a honeywell motorized duct vent attached to a plug in thermostat if it gets too hot, One pic is material I found at home depot.. its garage door base with rubberized stuff... I have it on both sides of the door, works great. Im knocking down my ph once a day and my nutes are steady. I lose about 1/2" to 3/4" of water a day ... I have about 30 gallons in it right now.
 

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legallyflying

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That should be a good height, I was imagining the plants to be a little larger but I guess I didn't realize they were pretty fresh clones. At any rate, on a mover you should be fine. They may be a little "freaked out" at first with the 1,000 watters but they will settle in nicely, especially if you keep it a little humid in there, like around 70. That way they won't be transpiring like crazy and wilt themselves out.

I would let the ph fluctuate naturally and only knock it down when it gets to 6.5. Probably a function of the hydroton really. That shit really takes ahile to settle down. Or at least in my experience it does.

Cheers!
 

frogster

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I HAVE BEEN KNOCKING DOWN THE PH AT 6.1 TO 5.4 ... IT TAKES A WHOLE DAY TO MOVE THAT MUCH,,, I WILL LET THE PH CLIMB A LITTLE HIGHER.... oops , damn caps,,, sorry... I go down to ph 5.4 or 5.3 .. my thinking that the water in the buckets is still at 6.1 so I know its about 5.5 when it mixes the first run....I will let the ph float a little higher.... they seem to handle the light well. its only 78 degrees at the plant tops... I cant seem to get my humidity over 35%.. no matter what I do... I have a decent humidifier.... I suppose I dont have to deal with mold! just fight off the mites... they love dry humidity... Im all over that problem ... i will see how they are in the morning with the lights lower... I may need to bump up the watering form every 6hrs to every 4?
 

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Wow,,, for some reason they sure do like the light! I can see the growth in one day... Amazing.. They must be related to bamboo... (ok everyone, this is my first grow, ever!)
 

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legallyflying

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Yeah, they are looking good. I wouldn't PH lower than 5.7 my friend. Your going to lock out quite a bit of nutrients going that low. Go ahead and let the PH climb till it gets to 6.5 and then take it back down. It is perfectly naturally to have the PH sing up rapidly, then settle or go down a little, then go back up. It nis a good sign that plants are actively taking up the nutrients that they need.
You need to get that humidty up though. 35% is way too low, especially if your temps are climbing to high 70's low 80's. Soak a towel and put it in front of a fan, buy another humidifier (or a hot humidifier). Do something to get it into 60-70 if you can. Its probably fine, but they will transpire allot less if its a little higher.. which will tame out your Rez as they won't be sucking up soo much water.
 

frogster

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The 6" fan is sucking all the humidity out... I need to slow that sucker down with a speed controller .. I can turn it off and the humidity climbs through the roof in a few minutes, but the heat rises. I really dont want the humidity over 50% as it will effect my carbon filter.. But in reality I have no idea what my real humidity level is... I have several crappy accurite meters (accuWRONG!) and they are all different , even sitting side by side. Humidity levels vary between the meters by as much as 16% and temp as much as 9 degrees... I have taken two back that stopped working... pieces of crap... The plants are looking good watering every 6hrs, so Im going to up them to every four hrs tonight,, that may help with the humidity... The rez was a little warm today due to the higher temps but didnt get over 75 degrees ( Im adding h2o2 every couple of days), I will prob run outside air through a tube and into my air pump to keep the air cooler that is entering the rez. if it gets to cold at night I have a tank heater that will keep it at the right temp. I will def. add an additional cheap humidifier or place a open pan of water with a fan blowing on it to get the humidity up... T
 

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NOOB ALERT! So I increased the watering to every 4hrs from every six last night. It was rather warm yesterday even with my vents open, the room was 86degrees at one point, highest its been since I started this... This morning I go in to check the plants to make sure the increased watering is doing ok, I have read that too little humidity makes the water go through the plants (transpire) faster and can cause nute burn as the plants take on more stored nutes and cant use all of them. I also read an interesting article on fresh high flowing air, even though I don't have co2 the plants have more access to the co2 due to the high air flow under the leaves and that high air flow kills humidity. Anyways, back to my NOOB incident. My ph was at 6.7 ( a little higher than I would like it to get) so I go about knocking the ph down. Im checking my water level and it is way, way low. WTF? The increased watering and the high temp must have really evaporated the nutes! Level was at 24" in the res 2 days ago now its at 12".. I usually measure daily but I didnt yesterday, as I thought it only went down about 1/2" a day. I break out the water and the nutes and decide to go ahead and fill the rez to the top ( I had been running 1/2 tank) .. i finish everything (1part gh micro to 2 parts flora bloom) and adjust ph... I always clean my measuring device in the fill box and hold the switch to drain box into the rez.... WELL! to my surprise my control box is full! lol... My box pump caught an air bubble and didnt drain the nutes back into the rez from a previous cycle... Damn I laughed hard, what a noob mistake... Im glad the ebb&gro is forgiving on noobs. I drained the buckets and skipped a feeding...figuring they were soaking for at least a few cycles. I found the air bubble culprit... The previous owner cut the hose that goes into the box from the rez. a little long,, and when the nutes pump into the box a a few air bubbles come out of the end of the hose, this hose was very close to the drain pump, i believe air was blown under the pump even though it is upside don and against the bottom of the box.. To fix this I simply cut the hose to where it only hangs down a few inches. Since filling the rez full I also added another vacuum break higher so that the hose doesn't allow siphoning into the box. Im having fun with this system... Heres a few pics of the two girls that I have been keeping pics of,,, the 3rd pic is the one that had mites... I hacked the infected lower leaves off, they had too many eggs to bother with (they havnt seem to hatch, perhaps the chems and the alcohol effected them) but I trimmed them off anyways just to be safe... she has stretched alot due to stress. I may tie her over early the next few days to let the lower branches catch up.
 

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Thanks for checking my journal Wake n bake&Organic...... I do have a gas enviro fireplace that heats my house ( my grow room fresh air comes from my living room), it may let off a little extra co2, not sure.. it vents outside but the seal to outside isnt that great... I did take my CO alarm outside next to the exhaust and the reading went of the chart ie poison!, so obviously it doesnt burn clean enough for me to let it vent indoors :( and will let off carbon monoxide, even on low when I didnt see any flame other than blue... Im not too concerned about optimum grow conditions this round as it is my first ... Im actually going to run mh lights all through this grow.( no extra $ for the hortilux blues) next grow I want to get rid off the xxxl ochos and do a verticle grow with hanging cooltubes, I will also look into the spinning base that turns your plants 360degrees, not sure how that would do with hydroponic lines running to a bucket moving around? But I will look into it... And I will look into co2 then also.. I think verticle grow are the way to go for maximum yield, max height, max light on plants. I am working with the local university on a complete new light source I have developed, its unlike any other, Patent pending. Cant say much about it right now except $10 a sqft, full spectrum ,stingy on electricity and more than enough Lumens for penatration (unlike led) and no heat issues (ugh, heat from HID sucks!).... Im kinda excited about it, but this isnt my first development, these projects take time.... when things are completed I will do a grow journal with it to introduce it to the world, and will perhaps give away a few systems so others can grow&journal with it... Nothing sells better than when you have solid evidence!
 

TheOrganic

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I will take one! HAHA Sounds pretty cool good luck. I just became a fan of SOUR tasting weed and will checking your grow.
That spinning base sounds like a good Idea I did something kinda like that for my scrog table.
 

legallyflying

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Good thing you caught the problem of the non-draining control bucket. My famous fuck ups this cycle... changing the rez and not putting the overflow tube back in the rez. Cycled the pump...about 12 gallons of nutes on the floor. I also forgot to turn the timer on once after changing nutes so they went a full day with no water. Yes, Ebb and fllow is forgiving for sure. Now however, I have a laminated checklist.

Every four hours is a good flood time. And to some extent, the plants get used to whatever schedule you put them on. I currently flood for 6 minutes every two hours.

You will find that the plants use ALOT of water when they start flowering. Sometimes they take up allot of nutes with this water, sometimes they don't. This is where your PH and PPM meters are critical. When I top off, I always add back nutrients too get to the original PPM's when I mixed the tank. I typically add back mostly the macro nutrients and a little micros (cal mag). Your PH rising is a good thing as it indicates nutrients are being absorbed. Sometimes the PH rises quickly,sometimes it doesn't. As I said before, I let in naturally cycle up and then knock it back down to 5.7-5.8 when it gets to 6.5. I calibrate my meters every rez change.

I would let them bulk up and get over the mites before you train them . Let them get about 5 solid nodes and FIM those guys. After all the laterally branching and right before you start training, tie the central growing shoot down and increase the size of the lateral branches. The bigger the branches, the bigger the buds so maximize the size and ability of the lateral branches to transport nutes.

keep up the solid work!
 

frogster

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Everything going smooth... I bought a hot shot pest strip tonight,,, no more live bugs since I went ape shit on them a few days back,, but have seen a few eggs on a few leaves,, i trimmed the bad ones off,,, Im fairly psychosomatic ie( i see a mosquito and start itching) so the last few days I hated entering the grow room and I always throw the clothes in the wash that I was wearing if I was working down on the plants, not just adjusting ph etc ) I also read about Sierra sns-217 .. interesting stuff... http://www.sierranaturalscience.com/ I reviewed a few grows at 420 and they had great pics...and awesome results... nothing much to report except 2 plants were rooted but were not growing at all, so I replaced them with one ak-47 and a jack herrer... so here are a few pics...
 

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Problems,, woohoo.. I have a few strange discolorations on a few leaves... not all plants have them... Here are the pics... One leave has stained color, the others have fading and one leaf tip is curled down in an odd way... suggestions....? My humidity has been up since last night,,, I just added a the hot shot pest stripalso... I turned the exhaust fan off yesterday for two hrs and again for two hrs today to let the pest strip saturate the room , I hung it in front of the box fan that I use for circulation..
 

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Too many water cycles (im at every 4 hrs) or too much nute? Im at 580ppm (tap was 60ppm).. my humidity has been low,30%, forever,, last few days it has hoovered around 45-50%.. Im using 1-2parts gh micro and flora nova bloom...thx
 

legallyflying

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I don't think they should be burning with that low a ppm but why are you feeding them bloom nutes? High P can be tricky as it will lock out certain micros. They don't need high p k until flowering sets in.

They look a little stressed (maybe heat stressed) with the edges turned up like that. Could be a function of your low humidity, especially if your temps are high. When in veg mode I was running 85 degrees and 75 humidity....but that is with CO2.
 

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I will raise the lights a little... I backed the nutes down to 520ppm... I have a few plants that need to catch up, a few small ones and a few that are still in transplant shock,, the Jack herrer is having hell.. I do have roots coming out of the bottoms of few buckets,, those are ready for liftoff! I have 5 plants that are only 3 leaves... They are nice and green like a fern or something... lol,,hope they didnt pull a joke on me! They are still growing like weeds,,,,, Im using the micro with the bloom because that what SCOTTYBALLZ used! lol , jk,, its the basic lucas formula. I will review the lucas again and adjust if need be.
 

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