Unaired portion of Obama's 60 minute interview...

Taviddude

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That your saviour is also a liar . He is a typical politician, he is no diffrent from Romney...He will say what it takes to stay in power. And the idiots will follow!!
Your first reply in your thread is an insult to those who don't see things the way you do.
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That's Exactly how you educate, and bring people around to seeing things your way. ;)


So, who do I have to vote for in order to NOT be an idiot?
 

Carne Seca

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Some on the right and the left claimed that President Obama, in signing the National Defense Authorization Act, severely curtailed civil liberties further than even the Bush administration. However, Obama has been working cautiously to actually stop and rollback a current GOP push to further restrict American rights.

On Feb. 28, the president issued a directive that softened a provision in the NDAA that would have forced authorities to hold all non-Americans accused of ties to terrorism in military custody. After a long struggle between Obama, Democrats and civil right advocates on one side and most Republicans on the other, this appears to have removed the last piece of the NDAA that could be unconstitutional, at least for the remainder of Obama's time in office.

The NDAA was mainly an allocation of funding for U.S. military actions, but it also included certain "counter-terrorism" measures that opponents said would severely and unconstitutionally curtail civil liberties in the U.S. The president's move marks a culmination in Obama's attempts to take out the harshest provisions of the NDAA. Even before his most recent actions, the sections of the NDAA most egregious to civil libertarians had been stripped away.

As the Daily Koz notes, Obama's new directive will "end military detention for non-citizen terror suspects." This effectively restores civil rights policy to pre-Bush administration levels. Obama said that this is no threat to national security, noting that his administration has successfully prosecuted terrorists in civilian courts.

While Obama has done what he can to protect civil liberties, there is a limit to presidential power, Verdict, a legal blog, noted. Another administration could easily undo Obama's restrictions, and enshrining them would therefore require Congressional action. Sen. Feinstein and others have introduced such bills.

Two provisions of the original bill caused the most concern: Sections 1021 and 1022, added by Republicans, put forward harsh "counter-terrorism" measures. Section 1021 "affirms" that under the 2002 Authorization of the Use of Military Force, the president has the authority to order the military to detain without trial anyone suspected of colluding with terrorists - until the end of hostilities. However, others argued that the AUMF did not give the president this right, and that, further, the provision was unconstitutional. If this was the case, opponents argued, the NDAA would actually create and enshrine an unconstitutional violation of civil liberties.

Democrats in the legislature were generally opposed to this expansive interpretation of the AUMF, and offered several amendments. The one that passed was a compromise: a proviso was added stating, basically, that whatever this section said, it did not change the current law. In essence, if the AUMF did grant these powers to the president, they were still granted; if it did not, the NDAA did not change these rules. Another amendment said that this section did not pertain to U.S. citizens.

Section 1022 said that anyone detained under section 1021 must be held in military custody, but an amendment from Senator Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., modified the bill to say remove the military detention requirement - but not the option. Because Section 1021, as amended, could not apply to citizens, Section 1022 refers to non-citizens only. This "rigid, inflexible requirement" to non-citizens is what Obama's Feb. 28 directive removed.

The original designers of the NDAA sought to make the detention mandatory and outside the discretion of the president. However, during the Congressional battle over the bill, the restrictions on the executive were weakened, thus allowing Obama to issue the current directive.

After the back-and-forth in Congress, a presidential threat to veto the whole bill, a public outcry from civil libertarians and the subsequent amendments to the final bill, Obama signed the NDAA into law Jan. 31.

"The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it," Obama said in a signing statement. A signing statement made by a president is not unimportant: it signals how the law will be interpreted and implemented by the executive agencies.

"I want to clarify that my administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens," Obama said. "Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation. My administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war and all other applicable law."
Taken from: http://www.peoplesworld.org/obama-directive-removes-harshest-provisions-of-the-ndaa/
 

newworldicon

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We could have some epic arguments and domestic violence after a few drinks and with your wife around i'm sure the sex life would be exciting, if this sounds good to you PM me.
im trying to get married, I need someone who can fold laundry, I have a phobia of it and can't do it, I can cook though.
I had no idea you were into beastiality..
 

zambonic

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Your first reply in your thread is an insult to those who don't see things the way you do.
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That's Exactly how you educate, and bring people around to seeing things your way. ;)


So, who do I have to vote for in order to NOT be an idiot?

Lets leave politics out of it for one second. Lets say someone in your life continues to lie to you, and it is well known that he has not been truthful to you. Yet you continue to believe and follow him, would that not make you some what of an imbecile. I am not here to tell you how to vote and if you have read my post above I clearly stated that Romney and the republicans are not any less to blame. However the hypocrisy of some of Obama supporters on this site makes me want to point out Obama's lies. With that being said, I have come to the realization that neither party is for WE THE PEOPLE... they are owned and controlled by big corporations and special interest. So to tell you to vote for either R or D is pointless, as they are one in the same. So, if my intuition is correct, you have already made up your mind who you are voting for. And if that is the case, here is your chance to state your case as to why I (the undecided voter) should vote for your choice.
 

canndo

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Well go find that topic.... if you want to talk about how Obama lies to his supporters (just like the republicans do) yet people like yourself will still blindly follow this man, then fine. If not back to the kiddie table.


Romney constructs out of whole cloth, even Obama doesn't manage that.

The list of Romney lies is huge. It is one thing for someone to say something he believes to be true, it is one thing to make promises that one cannot or will not keep, it is another to state things that one knows for certain are lies. This is what Romney and Ryan do.
 

zambonic

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Romney constructs out of whole cloth, even Obama doesn't manage that.

The list of Romney lies is huge. It is one thing for someone to say something he believes to be true, it is one thing to make promises that one cannot or will not keep, it is another to state things that one knows for certain are lies. This is what Romney and Ryan do.
So, you are a lesser of two evils voter?
 

zambonic

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I am a pragmatic voter. Any "vote for the best candidate" is identical with voting for the lesser of two evils. There is no difference and there is no ideal candidate.
So, is it that there are no ideal canidates or there are no real ideal canidates that have been chosen by the 2 major parties?
 

zambonic

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One would think that being on a site dedicated to Mary Jane, that would be of importance. Some on here say that their canidate is more favorable towards MJ, yet his actions speak differently (lies). Others have a canidate that flat out tells you how he feels and it is not favorable to MJ. Yet we have a third canidate that totally supports the legalization and his name is barely mentioned. Why? If 50% of the country is in favor of legalization, would'nt he stand a chance?
 

canndo

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So, is it that there are no ideal canidates or there are no real ideal canidates that have been chosen by the 2 major parties?

So long as we have a republic where we have to vote for those who hold the most ideological parity to our own,there will never be the perfect candidate, and so we will always vote for the lesser of the two - or three or four.
 

canndo

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One would think that being on a site dedicated to Mary Jane, that would be of importance. Some on here say that their canidate is more favorable towards MJ, yet his actions speak differently (lies). Others have a canidate that flat out tells you how he feels and it is not favorable to MJ. Yet we have a third canidate that totally supports the legalization and his name is barely mentioned. Why? If 50% of the country is in favor of legalization, would'nt he stand a chance?
This is like a woman voting for a candidate who belives in her right to chose but the guy wants guns outlawed and she owns guns.


We have to decide which best fits what we believe. I hold as I always have that it is wisest for those of us who believe in herb to get someone who, if he does not, will still put supreme court justices in place that will give us the most legal leeway possible.


Obama is most likely to select justices who, if they will not see to it that pot is ignored or legalized, at least give us a more level playing field in a court of law.
 

kelly4

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I am a pragmatic voter. Any "vote for the best candidate" is identical with voting for the lesser of two evils. There is no difference and there is no ideal candidate.
HAHAHA!!! When I vote for Johnson, I am voting for the best candidate, not for the lesser of two evils. For you to think that it's identical is both hilarious and pathetic.
 

canndo

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HAHAHA!!! When I vote for Johnson, I am voting for the best candidate, not for the lesser of two evils. For you to think that it's identical is both hilarious and pathetic.

What is his stance on energy policy? How about our economy? And his foreign policy experience? how is he with gaining bipartisan support? How about torture, the borders? welfare policy? Women's rights?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
One would think that being on a site dedicated to Mary Jane, that would be of importance. Some on here say that their canidate is more favorable towards MJ, yet his actions speak differently (lies). Others have a canidate that flat out tells you how he feels and it is not favorable to MJ. Yet we have a third canidate that totally supports the legalization and his name is barely mentioned. Why? If 50% of the country is in favor of legalization, would'nt he stand a chance?
Because the third through thirtieth candidates, while on the ballot, are not realistic contenders. Voting for one of them has gesture value and no more; it's basically a way of quitting the game without having to say "I didn't vote". cn
 

kelly4

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What is his stance on energy policy? How about our economy? And his foreign policy experience? how is he with gaining bipartisan support? How about torture, the borders? welfare policy? Women's rights?
Look it up...

Would you be happier if I voted for my second choice instead?
 

kelly4

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Because the third through thirtieth candidates, while on the ballot, are not realistic contenders. Voting for one of them has gesture value and no more; it's basically a way of quitting the game without having to say "I didn't vote". cn
I disagree. Because I don't vote for the man twisting my arm the hardest while whispering lies in my ear, doesn't mean that I quit the game. It means I have integrity and will stand up for what I believe in.
 

zambonic

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What is his stance on energy policy? How about our economy? And his foreign policy experience? how is he with gaining bipartisan support? How about torture, the borders? welfare policy? Women's rights?
EnergyJohnson favors building new coal-fired and nuclear power plants. He supports private sector research and development of renewable energy, but does not believe doing so is the government's job.[SUP][7][/SUP]

Budget, deficits

Johnson believes the United States is on the verge of an economic collapse that he compares to the 1998 Russian financial crisis, which he believes can be stopped only by balancing the federal budget.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] As such, he promises to submit a balanced budget for the year 2013 and promises to veto any bills containing expenditures in excess of revenues.[SUP][7][/SUP] He promises to look at every decision as a cost-benefit analysis.[SUP][9][/SUP] His budget would cut federal expenditures by 43% in every area, "across the board,"[SUP][7][/SUP] including "responsible entitlement reform," because the "math is simple: federal spending must be cut not by millions or billions, but by trillions." He calls the notion "that we can control spending and balance the budget without reforming Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security" "lunacy."[SUP][10][/SUP] Johnson supports amending the U.S. Constitution to require an annual balanced budget.[SUP][11][/SUP] Johnson opposes earmarks, and would veto any bills containing them.[SUP][10][/SUP]
Johnson did not support the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010, or any other "bailout" or "stimulus" bills, and opposes President Barack Obama's proposed American Jobs Act.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] He believes the federal spending in these laws is wasteful and ineffectual,[SUP][7][/SUP] and calls them "bloated."[SUP][10][/SUP] He famously quipped, "My next-door neighbor's two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than this current administration."[SUP][12][/SUP]
Johnson supports ending the federal personal and corporate income tax system and replacing it with the FairTax reform proposal (while systematically reducing these taxes to near-zero levels), a national consumption tax on new goods and services. He believes the FairTax would "reboot" the American economy without impacting those at or under the poverty level, who would not be subject to it. He believes that abolishing the federal corporate income tax, which he says is the second highest in the world, would create tens of millions of jobs immediately.[SUP][7][/SUP] Due to his stance on taxes, David Weigel described him as "the original Tea Party candidate".[SUP][13][/SUP]
[h=3][edit] Employment[/h]Johnson believes the main remedy for unemployment is ending "uncertainty" for private business. He points to his beliefs on the budget, tax reform, immigration reform, and the environment as ending that uncertainty. He does not believe that government actually can create jobs, but instead that it can foster certainty in private business, which in turn creates jobs.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP]

The two parties want you to think a third party is not a viable option. Again they are bought and paid for and do not have the interest of the people. I am only suggesting to people to take a look at his positions, and make an informed decision.
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