how SHOULD the law be amended?

[Beagle]

I don't quite understand what your saying in point #1....the insured/un insured "workings are just like any other medical expenses.

Point 2 that you make the answer is ..yes, I am going to pay for it...if I'm going to sell overages to a dispensary...It's $60...a small expense compared to the rest of the growing costs.

Point 3..I pretty much agree..You should be able to sell overages to dispensaries, and you should be able to deduct the costs of the grow from any money received..just like any other business. The overage amount you are allowed is a problem....that needs to be addressed somehow. It's petty much impossible to tell the plants what to yield..so, as the law stands now, most everyone is in violation at some point in the harvest/drying stage.

Point 4...I agree mostly..there do need to be dispensaries..I'd just like more of them to look professional. The law isn't so clear on how patients are supposed to get their meds though., or for that matter seeds/clones if they wish to grow.

And yes, I favor full legalization..but that's not what this discussion is about...

1.) People without health insurance tend to not go to the doctors often do to extreme cost. There for no medical records.
2.) by "You" I mean who ever requires monitoring/testing. More paperwork with my garden location would imho increase the chances of the DEA pushing my shit in....privacy is needed!
3.) Definitely need some wiggle room here.
4.) The law says you can grow it or have someone else grow it for you.

I only brought up legalization because of the marijuana bar/cafe point

 

[bob harris]

1.) People without health insurance tend to not go to the doctors often do to extreme cost. There for no medical records.
2.) by "You" I mean who ever requires monitoring/testing. More paperwork with my garden location would imho increase the chances of the DEA pushing my shit in....privacy is needed!
3.) Definitely need some wiggle room here.
4.) The law says you can grow it or have someone else grow it for you.

I only brought up legalization because of the marijuana bar/cafe point

The no medical records would apply for any medical need. Those with, or without insurance pay for thier med mj card and meds. No insurance company covers it.

2) The concern with the DEA I understand...but my understanding is that they are not pushing the issue unless someone is over 99 plants. And privacy does need to be addressed. So long as everything is legit...no one should be able to access any info about you at all, including the feds. The solution being talked about now, is that law enforcement is only allowed to check any records, would be to verify that you have a legit card. and then only if you were caught with weed. just to verify that you can have it. I could live with that.

3..we completely agree..

4..I think the law should allow someone who doesn't want to grow..to be able to acquire meds without assigning a caregiver. If they choose to have a care giver that's fine. But they should be free to buy from other sources too..IE: dispensaries..

Over all, we think very much alike...just some small points that seperate us. But that's the point of the thread...to discuss what needs to happen to benifit us all.

 

[Pipe Dream]

1. I feel that partly due to fear and partly due to greed, a regular doctor prescription is a little difficult. I feel that the choice should come down from the patient. If a person has been diagnosed with a qualifying condition, they should automatically be allowed to get the card without having to have the same doctor recommend it. That way it is out of their control whether the patient can do it and could only give advice and recommendations.

2. Again I feel that this should be the patient's choice. All that testing will signifacantly increase the cost to produce and ultimately the retail cost of the medicine. I don't need an inspector to analyze my bud to tell me that it's moldy or had pests. Forr people that want to have that peace of mind can go to a place who does offer those services. If I had a caregiver I would be asking questions to find out if they grew organically if I had a preferance. If the caregiver cannot supply a product that they are happy with you get a new caregiver.

3. I feel that the laws on limits is actually too small or at least vague. How can you account for overages? Not all plants are going to yeild the exact magic number and not all turn around times are the same. WHat is the roper way to dispose of medicine? I have been burning mine I think that is the best way. Your right though, the smaller your limit the harder it is to be self sufficient. Again maybe not allmed patients are going to utilize it for the same reasons and different strokes for different folks ya know? I know marijuana helps with my depression and that last place I would want to go is a hospital type setting with doctors administering my marijuana intraveinously. If you want the THC/CBD values then go to a place that offers it.

 

[AlanF]

Well I can tell you Mr. bob harris... I think you are funny.

I will also say NO it is not all in those stupid crystals of yours. You see there is so much more to marijuana then you know. You are also setting a bad example to the hatchlings reading this thread about those crystals you all make your God.

Here is a fact..... Cannabis is a goldmine: it produces up to 60 different cannabinoids and up to 200 different terpenes, a really unique cocktail of natural molecules... We must also consider the resins.

There is more then the crystals my ill taught peers that make your buzz. What about the lack of oxygen to the brain? The thickness of the smoke also is a factor in potency as to the lungs ability to absorb. What about YOUR genetic make-up will that not be a factor as well?... You know I can make a pamphlet so I will stop right know.... oh wait I have to add the stickyness of the smoke.. not all smoke is as sticky as some and vice versa. This will also be a factor.

You see mr bob harris there are opinions of the masses and then facts. I have listened to the facts and never even paid attention to lies.

Tell me about your ever impressive crystals again? And I will talk about resin.

Does this mean that I can treat my left over material from dry sieve hashing as being quality medicine? I mean have you ever tried to smoke material that has had the trichromes removed? Have you ever made cannabutter with dry ice extracted material that was really potent after removing all the trichromes? I would think these 2 common sense things alone would be enough to severely put your theories in doubt. Aren't the trichromes or "crystals" where the 60 different cannabinoids and up to 200 different terpenes and resins are contained?

Am I missing something or misunderstanding something here? I have been reading your posts ever since I joined here but recently it has just gotten out of control. I really liked your ideas at first but now it just sounds like another dude with another greenhouse with another couple strains that makes vague generalizations and tries to boss around other caregivers over the internet. If your ideas are so cutting edge then why don't you go out in the real world and make something happen. If you just talk shit to everyone who doesnt share your views you are not going to ever get anywhere, certainly not on the scale of being the uniting voice of the MMMJ movement. It reminds me of a drunk buddy from high school who you run into at the bar who just wants to tell you what they are about to do, then you run into them again 6 months later and they are still saying the same thing.

We are talking about the medical marijuana laws here man come on now.

 

[bob harris]

Does this mean that I can treat my left over material from dry sieve hashing as being quality medicine? I mean have you ever tried to smoke material that has had the trichromes removed? Have you ever made cannabutter with dry ice extracted material that was really potent after removing all the trichromes? I would think these 2 common sense things alone would be enough to severely put your theories in doubt. Aren't the trichromes or "crystals" where the 60 different cannabinoids and up to 200 different terpenes and resins are contained?

Am I missing something or misunderstanding something here? I have been reading your posts ever since I joined here but recently it has just gotten out of control. I really liked your ideas at first but now it just sounds like another dude with another greenhouse with another couple strains that makes vague generalizations and tries to boss around other caregivers over the internet. If your ideas are so cutting edge then why don't you go out in the real world and make something happen. If you just talk shit to everyone who doesnt share your views you are not going to ever get anywhere, certainly not on the scale of being the uniting voice of the MMMJ movement. It reminds me of a drunk buddy from high school who you run into at the bar who just wants to tell you what they are about to do, then you run into them again 6 months later and they are still saying the same thing.

We are talking about the medical marijuana laws here man come on now.

Thank you.

 

[Beagle]

1.) They do pay for the med card, but if documentation is needed, they also have to pay for regular doc visits, pharmaceutical prescriptions....And the medical marijuana card...the total of which(without health insurance) is probably more than some people make in a year. Saving $250 a year is not that bad for poor people.

4.) I personally have no problem with people opening dispensaries so long as they to flaunt it in public with huge pot leaf flags and such...kids don't need to be seeing that. From what I've been reading lately, the dispensaries are gonna be fair game for the DEA. Every dispensary I know of requires membership....membership = records...information the DEA would love to have.

I'd like to add a couple amendments:
5.) Mandatory Jail time and fines for leo, judges, prosecutors...ect for violating our law.
6.) Strict fines for employers that fire medical marijuana patients because of their choice of LEGAL medication.
7.) Clear legal limit of intoxication... for operating vehicals....ng/ml or whatever.

 

[jonnynobody]

1.) They do pay for the med card, but if documentation is needed, they also have to pay for regular doc visits, pharmaceutical prescriptions....And the medical marijuana card...the total of which(without health insurance) is probably more than some people make in a year. Saving $250 a year is not that bad for poor people.

4.) I personally have no problem with people opening dispensaries so long as they to flaunt it in public with huge pot leaf flags and such...kids don't need to be seeing that. From what I've been reading lately, the dispensaries are gonna be fair game for the DEA. Every dispensary I know of requires membership....membership = records...information the DEA would love to have.

I'd like to add a couple amendments:
5.) Mandatory Jail time and fines for leo, judges, prosecutors...ect for violating our law.
6.) Strict fines for employers that fire medical marijuana patients because of their choice of LEGAL medication.
7.) Clear legal limit of intoxication... for operating vehicals....ng/ml or whatever.

I agreed with everything there except #7. From my understanding, there is no valid test to determine if a driver is actually 'under the influence'. The test only determines remnants that are left in your body from previous smoking. It's a nice idea but the science and effective products for 'stoned driver' testing is not there yet and I could be wrong, but didn't colorado's legislature just reject that whole drugged driving bill for these exact reasons I've mentioned?

Also, we already have DUI laws on the books and they work just fine.

I don't think pandering to the right with these BS MMJ drugged driving regulation nonsense will do anything except add costs to the system and give more power to the pigs that don't like the law.

 

[hic]

Does this mean that I can treat my left over material from dry sieve hashing as being quality medicine? I mean have you ever tried to smoke material that has had the trichromes removed? Have you ever made cannabutter with dry ice extracted material that was really potent after removing all the trichromes? I would think these 2 common sense things alone would be enough to severely put your theories in doubt. Aren't the trichromes or "crystals" where the 60 different cannabinoids and up to 200 different terpenes and resins are contained?

Am I missing something or misunderstanding something here? I have been reading your posts ever since I joined here but recently it has just gotten out of control. I really liked your ideas at first but now it just sounds like another dude with another greenhouse with another couple strains that makes vague generalizations and tries to boss around other caregivers over the internet. If your ideas are so cutting edge then why don't you go out in the real world and make something happen. If you just talk shit to everyone who doesnt share your views you are not going to ever get anywhere, certainly not on the scale of being the uniting voice of the MMMJ movement. It reminds me of a drunk buddy from high school who you run into at the bar who just wants to tell you what they are about to do, then you run into them again 6 months later and they are still saying the same thing.

We are talking about the medical marijuana laws here man come on now.

Thats cool man cause you remind me of one of the pussies that cried when Micheal Jakson died... it's all good.

No there is alot more it to it then that but you can bet your bottom dollar I will not be explaining it to you cause it would be a waste of my time.. Even if I gave you 100 links to more information about those crystals you still would not get it cause your mind is in the box when it comes to marijuana .... Get back in the herd and follow the dumb one.

I am not even going to come back with facts but here you go dummy..... wipe all them crystal off with a knife! Don't use water or ice you imbred you will ruin the pot... Then tell me if you can get hi once you remove crystals with a knife and smoke.

Damn you guys...

 

[hic]

AlanF - I am sorry you feel as though I am boossy or push people around on a damn computer program. I am sorry that I am not here to build your self esteem.
I know I know you have no idea. Because that is usually your opening line in any case. I will tell you the truth alanf I do will more learning and questioning, seeking and wondering, listening and feeling, brainstorming and accepting, living and dying, laughing and crying, talking to god and listening to retarts, helping and hurting, defeating and losing, trial and error, fighting and healing, in 2 weeks then you will in 1 year so again I know you can't understand and that is why I do not like your attitude of me.

AlanF little do you know that if you were in a car crash or if you were ever hurting in front of me.... I would do whatever it took to do to help you... I am telling you read more about marijuana if you wish to move me. Read about resins? read about this and that. have you ever got high off of leaf? If you have not you are not a marijuana grower... and if you have you will know it is not all in those crystals.

 

[Pimpernickel]

Soo..you shouldn't be accountable, or pay taxes on the income generated by growing?

I didn't say that.

 

[TDM]

I totally agree...but it's a separate topic for now. The first step in legalization would be to show responsibility with whats already been given.
I kinda think we should make hookers legal too...after all, if it can sail, fly or fuck...it's always cheaper to rent...

...also heard that most politicians want to legalize but have created such a monster with the DEA it's difficult to change thinking.
Hard drugs are another thing which is why I like the Portgese model. Protugal never legalized drugs in 2000 as most think, they started thinking of addicts as victims and patients instead of criminals with the focus on treatment, they realized marijuana prohabition was an absurd waste of resources.
Drug trafficing and enforcement is still strictly enforced.
Google and examine the law...very good results since 2000 since the law was enacted.

 

[bob harris]

...also heard that most politicians want to legalize but have created such a monster with the DEA it's difficult to change thinking.
Hard drugs are another thing which is why I like the Portgese model. Protugal never legalized drugs in 2000 as most think, they started thinking of addicts as victims and patients instead of criminals with the focus on treatment, they realized marijuana prohabition was an absurd waste of resources.
Drug trafficing and enforcement is still strictly enforced.
Google and examine the law...very good results since 2000 since the law was enacted.

I'm familiar with what Portugal has done..and I agree it has worked. I also think that in time, the USA will at least decriminalize cannabis, if not make it totally legal. But there is a long way to go. Cannabis is still considered a class 1 narcotic...A rating that suggests it's worse than cocaine, morphine and most other hard drugs...thinking has got to change...

 

[hic]

It is hard to change the thinking when the rule of a few bad eggs ruin the batch is constant. You must all agree that many of the current growers give many of us growers a bad overall name.

When a citizen drives by a dispensary and sees multiple punks running out with grinns on their faces and headed to a car full of other hood rats.. It gives a stereo type to us ALL.

When someone gets popped that does not have a card or one that does and the basement is just packed right full it gives us a bad name.

The problem roots from the stereo type we as growers are forced to deny. The government officials see this too yet they do not see the other end of the spectrum because constantly someone else comes along and reassures the stereotype.

I for one feel it need to be harder to become a caregiver, because every dick,nut and harry has the ability to drag the ones that should be respected down.

This is one of the issues we as a whole face is the vast amount of bad eggs. How can I ever look good to the government when for every good thing I do... 20 people do the opposite?

 

[bob harris]

It is hard to change the thinking when the rule of a few bad eggs ruin the batch is constant. You must all agree that many of the current growers give many of us growers a bad overall name.

When a citizen drives by a dispensary and sees multiple punks running out with grinns on their faces and headed to a car full of other hood rats.. It gives a stereo type to us ALL.

When someone gets popped that does not have a card or one that does and the basement is just packed right full it gives us a bad name.

The problem roots from the stereo type we as growers are forced to deny. The government officials see this too yet they do not see the other end of the spectrum because constantly someone else comes along and reassures the stereotype.

I for one feel it need to be harder to become a caregiver, because every dick,nut and harry has the ability to drag the ones that should be respected down.

This is one of the issues we as a whole face is the vast amount of bad eggs. How can I ever look good to the government when for every good thing I do... 20 people do the opposite?

Hic, finally something that makes sense...

I would certainly agree that many growers concentrate on profit..not quality. I'd also agree that dispensaries need to become more professional.

 

[hic]

Yes... far more professional.

I kinda get the feeling I am going to a dope house. I should not feel that way!

 

[hic]

I also think the cops should know where the grow is. Again to save money and time. If anything it can or could also provide some sort of safety if you are indeed in it for the caregiving.

 

[Beagle]

I agreed with everything there except #7. From my understanding, there is no valid test to determine if a driver is actually 'under the influence'. The test only determines remnants that are left in your body from previous smoking. It's a nice idea but the science and effective products for 'stoned driver' testing is not there yet and I could be wrong, but didn't colorado's legislature just reject that whole drugged driving bill for these exact reasons I've mentioned?

Also, we already have DUI laws on the books and they work just fine.

I don't think pandering to the right with these BS MMJ drugged driving regulation nonsense will do anything except add costs to the system and give more power to the pigs that don't like the law.

There is a blood test for THC(I think), that can show how many nanograms per milliliter of blood. Here is an article dug up about Colorado: http://newspirates.com/?p=12361

 

[bob harris]

There is a blood test for THC(I think), that can show how many nanograms per milliliter of blood. Here is an article dug up about Colorado: http://newspirates.com/?p=12361

Yup, blood testing, not urine, can give a "current level" of ..medication.

 

[bob harris]

I also think the cops should know where the grow is. Again to save money and time. If anything it can or could also provide some sort of safety if you are indeed in it for the caregiving.

In theory, caregivers are supposed to register with the State Police...and allow inspections.

 

[hic]

tis just a theory though. I believe that that will and should be an issue when the law is amended.

Overages too. We need a no limit like Cali. This will bring down the price of meds for everyone. It is too hard to stay legal with 2.5 ounces. If they rose the limits and we could hold on too our overages we would not need to constantly be growing. Thus saving us money and electricity to help stay a little greener to mother earth.

If nothing else the no limit thing would help reduce greenhouse gases... the less electric I use the less is needed. Let me hold on to my pot. I am legal anyway.