Who belives in this American Ideology

[UncleBuck]

Moreover, they never pay taxes.

wow. i have never conversed with anyone through any medium that would speak so passionately about any issue about which they were completely uninformed.

The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of immigration was done by the non-partis*an Texas Comptrolle*rs’ Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and economic output from illegal immigrants than government*s spent to provide services.

According to the Comptrolle*rs’ office, state and local government*s spent $1.16 billion to provide services like education, health care and safety, but raised an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues. Based on the data, the Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on its illegal immigrant population in 2006.

not only do illegals pay taxes, but they pay more in taxes than they receive in services, as well as contribute to local economies (gotta eat, gotta shower, gotta have a place to live).

not to even mention the ENORMOUS cost that would be involved in identifying, tracking down, and deporting EVERY illegal.

look into the cost of that task, report back, and then we can discuss the practicality of such an idea.

while you're at it, please provide an rough estimate of how much revenue would be lost when hispanic neighborhoods in major cities everywhere grind to a halt.

thanks in advance, and me love you long time.

 

[UncleBuck]

Taking $ directly out of the American economy via FedEx back to Mexico

you hate an entire people because a few of them use the money they earned to support their family in another country?

how dare they.

taking jobs from Americans (especially in a recession where a lot of hungry Americans would be willing to lower their income requirement in exchange for steady work)

you hate an entire people because americans won't do what those people do?

i would blame that on the americans, actually. and more specifically, the ones willing to exploit the cheapest labor possible rather than pay a fair wage.

 

[thedoc08]

i would blame that on the americans

We already established that we (at least I) don't blame the Mexicans. As far as everything else goes, yeah it's a two-way street and the employers are just as liable as the employee, but as I don't blame the Mexican for coming here, I don't blame the white man for exploiting him. As far as Americans not doing what these people do, I'm sure there are Americans that would pick tomato's at the federal minimum wage, but they can't do that because nobody is going to pay you 7.25 an hour when they could pay Pedro 6.25.

 

[UncleBuck]

...(at least I) don't blame the Mexicans....I don't blame the Mexican for coming here

you say you don't blame the mexicans, but you also said you "hate" illegal mexican immigrants.

help me reconcile that. blameless, yet also an object of hatred?

 

[thedoc08]

It's quite simple, thought I explained it pretty well in my other posts though. I'll try to break it down just a little more. I don't blame Mexicans for doing what they do, if I were in their shoes I would do the same thing. However, I am not in their shoes, and I can hate them because of the negative effects that are caused by their actions on my economy and culture.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

tell that to michael dell.

go ahead, refer to wikipedia and get back to me.

You're quite the smartass aren't you. I will, just tell me where he is.

show me where it says this.

i have access to the us constitution.

just tell me where to find this information is all i ask.

Look up 'National Language' buddy.

Go ahead, refer to Wikipedia and get back to me.

 

[beardo]

i have access to the us constitution.

just tell me where to find this information is all i ask.

But do you have the access to the rights it claims to guarantee ?

 

[The Ruiner]

To the OP,

Dont blame the people that come here, blame our "leaders" that let's all of the illegals come into this country in the first place. These are your congress, senators, state governments, "safe cities", and of course dont forget THE EMPLOYERS. As much as these people may not want to take responsibility for their actions, we have to live with their consequences - and they dont give one bit of fuck about you, combat vet or not (you probably know that well enough already). The people with the money and power have made the decision that its better to employ immigrants than citizens because you, the citizen, ask for too much, and you want to be treated with too much dignity. The difference is that Americans arent used to thinking of themselves as slaves (though we have been for well over a century), whereas the immigrant is just looking to feed themself, or their families, a position that Americans are coming to grips with, grudgingly but yet still somewhat peacefully.

Countries dont matter to the people with the mega-money, and that is how and why America is crumbling. Our wealth has left, and "international bankers" have it. They have done this over the centuries.

 

[UncleBuck]

Look up 'National Language' buddy.

Go ahead, refer to Wikipedia and get back to me.

i put the constitution into a pdf document, hit ctrl+f, and typed in 'national language'.

no results

 

[UncleBuck]

But do you have the access to the rights it claims to guarantee ?

free speech? got it.

right to bear arms? got it.

no unreasonable search and seizure? check. no cops barging in.

i haven't had to involuntarily provide quarters for any militia for as long as i can remember.

i could go on, but i'm sure you get the idea.

 

[UncleBuck]

It's quite simple, thought I explained it pretty well in my other posts though. I'll try to break it down just a little more. I don't blame Mexicans for doing what they do, if I were in their shoes I would do the same thing. However, I am not in their shoes, and I can hate them because of the negative effects that are caused by their actions on my economy and culture.

you feel persecuted?

go ahead and tell me all about it, you poor thing.

as a fellow white male, i can sympathize with you about how hard it is to be a white male n this country

 

[thedoc08]

you feel persecuted?

go ahead and tell me all about it, you poor thing.

as a fellow white male, i can sympathize with you about how hard it is to be a white male n this country

I feel like you're trying to do what I do, just not as well.

 

[beardo]

free speech? got it.

right to bear arms? got it.

no unreasonable search and seizure? check. no cops barging in.

i haven't had to involuntarily provide quarters for any militia for as long as i can remember.

i could go on, but i'm sure you get the idea.

How can someone regain or enact their second ammendment rights? if they have lost it due to more recent legislature. and how can you be sure that your first ammendment is protected and not limited? I censor my own speech is this unnessary?
And you were posting in the don't flush thread about warrentless entry.
I was serious about any info on second amendment and former cons -are you banned for life? even hunting? or in home self defense? seems like if you have become a law abbiding citizen you should regain your rights

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

i put the constitution into a pdf document, hit ctrl+f, and typed in 'national language'.

no results

I'm guessing you realize the constitution you love so much was written in English correct?

I meant look up the legal definition of 'National Language'. Google it. Wikipedia it. I don't give a shit.

 

[justlearning73]

I guess people seem to forget what illegal means. They are not citizens. They do not have the rights our constitution provides for it's citizens. So it takes awhile to go through the classes and learn about the US so you can become a citizen.....what about all the legal immigrants that have gone through the process. Sorry but if they can do it, my relatives can do it then there is no reason to give special treatment to the others just because it takes awhile. BOO FUCKING HOO. Sorry but try to become a citizen of another country. It is not an overnight thing and nor should it be. Oh by they way while they are going through the process they're are here legally. They have their green card. if they are illegally here that means they shouldn't be here. I have heard they do jobs us snobby Americans can't lower our selfs todo...bullshit. How much will it cost to find them....not much we all know about them all it takes is a phone call to report them. Oh about the taxes thing.....i believe it is a 1099 form. Most illegal take these kinda jobs. It is easier for them to hide that way, and no they don't pay their taxes. Yes I know there are plenty of Americans that do this very same thing, but that is for another discussion. We are talking about illegals(no i don't care if their Mexicans, Canadians, or what have you. ) I also understand they are people just like you and me. They are trying to make a better life for themselves. All i ask is that they follow the proper channels just like millions and millions have done before them. If you go to another country they expect the same things we (as americans) are asking for. I see nothing wrong with this. I believe it is called Nationalism.
Nationalism emphasizes collective identity - a 'people' must be autonomous, united, and express a single national culture.[7] However, some nationalists stress individualism as an important part of their own national identity.[8]

 

[SLT4x4]

It sounds to me like there are more people who really dont care what happens to our country than there are people that want it fixed,Uncle Buck sounds like he's either a liberal,European or just a plain communist.If you dont like the U.S. then BOUNCE we aren't going to miss you. Some People care about different issues obviously.The ones that care about issues of making them MONEY are the first ones that get taken care of.For the people like us who are just making it and are directly affected by Illegals and what they do have different feelings.So it would seem to me that people with money make the rules and the middle to lower class folks get the shit end of the stick and the Illegals get the American Dream..... Does anybody see a problem there ? If your here Illegally Then you should be deported and not allowed back.We shouldn't have to pay for an illegal in any for whether it be welfare, healthcare or incarceration.The rest of America should follow Arizona on the Illegal Alien issue and not boycott.If you feel like the Illegals should be helped then you pay for the shit out of your own pocket...or better yet set up a bank account for them..... When your town or area becomes overridden and dirty because people feel sorry for them and they move in and take over deal with it the way your talking now and see if your tune doesn't change after it affects you directly.

 

[Dr.J20]

I guess people seem to forget what illegal means. They are not citizens. They do not have the rights our constitution provides for it's citizens. So it takes awhile to go through the classes and learn about the US so you can become a citizen.....what about all the legal immigrants that have gone through the process. Sorry but if they can do it, my relatives can do it then there is no reason to give special treatment to the others just because it takes awhile. BOO FUCKING HOO. Sorry but try to become a citizen of another country. It is not an overnight thing and nor should it be. Oh by they way while they are going through the process they're are here legally. They have their green card. if they are illegally here that means they shouldn't be here. I have heard they do jobs us snobby Americans can't lower our selfs todo...bullshit. How much will it cost to find them....not much we all know about them all it takes is a phone call to report them. Oh about the taxes thing.....i believe it is a 1099 form. Most illegal take these kinda jobs. It is easier for them to hide that way, and no they don't pay their taxes. Yes I know there are plenty of Americans that do this very same thing, but that is for another discussion. We are talking about illegals(no i don't care if their Mexicans, Canadians, or what have you. ) I also understand they are people just like you and me. They are trying to make a better life for themselves. All i ask is that they follow the proper channels just like millions and millions have done before them. If you go to another country they expect the same things we (as americans) are asking for. I see nothing wrong with this. I believe it is called Nationalism.
Nationalism emphasizes collective identity - a 'people' must be autonomous, united, and express a single national culture.[7] However, some nationalists stress individualism as an important part of their own national identity.[8]

well said!
be easyy dr.j

 

[StonedPony]

lets see....uno dos tres......Cerveza Por favor .....fuck it Im good to go......

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

What does liberal have to do with anything? I don't really believe in liberalism, conservativism, or any of the 'isms' but I'm consistantly classified as a libertarian. I believe everybody should do as they see fit with their lives. They should all have an understanding of Newton's Third Law. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If you steal from me, I'm going to steal it back. If you show violence against me, it's coming right back at you. I pay my taxes so that this country is enriched. Not so it can be spent deporting some asshole who can't come here the right way. We should either close the borders or invade the bastards as they're invading us. But whatever. I'm easy.

 

[SLT4x4]

I agree crypkeeper.The people crossing Illegally are mostly running drugs or are escaping the drug cartels...understandable... but the trouble and lifestyle that follows them is being re created here and I personally don't want it.In my opinion its just another form of terrorism.Thats why Arizona is taking the actions that they are.They are tired of thier state being terrorized,thier residents being stolen from and their state being trashed by illegals drifting through the desert.That state is responsible for finding dead migrants on their soil and comes out of their pocket Id be pissed off and tired of it too.They are like spider mites no matter what we do to eradicate or control them they keep coming back....I wonder If Ed Rosenthal makes anything.....nah that's far fetched.