The g13 haze skunk
Co2 for clones good or bad ?
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Oh you and this unlce ben guy are buddies so im assuming that gives u free reign to be judge and jury and be the gate keeper of all posts u dont agree with?
See this is America its a free country with principles that provide and protect out rights so I can do say and comment freely on whatever I please without prejudice.
People can listen to whatever they decide if they think my information isnt go so be it. This is my experience of growing for long time and im good at what I do. Ive helped many taught and learned been around the world and im still here so i must be doing something right.
See this is America its a free country with principles that provide and protect out rights so I can do say and comment freely on whatever I please without prejudice.
People can listen to whatever they decide if they think my information isnt go so be it. This is my experience of growing for long time and im good at what I do. Ive helped many taught and learned been around the world and im still here so i must be doing something right.
There so many different npk formulas that work for growing theres not one right ratio thats better than others they all work as long as they are balanced and have a complete nutrient portfolio. Saying theres one right way to grow is complete bullshit if that was the case there wud be only 1 book, 1 bottle of nutrients and thats it.
Different strains require different nutrients, some like heavy feedings with nitrogen and calcium some are magnesium hounds and some dont like much of anythig in abundance.
Theres also different flowering stages that require different nutrient ratios for early bloom - mid bloom and ripening so you cant possibly say one npk ratio is all u need when thats not the case.
I never run a high P fert. I run high nitrogen and potassium depending on stage im in the phosphorus isnt needed anywhere near the amounts of the N or K.
But u know all so u should know this. If u use synthetic nutrients and u dont flush ur an idiot and ur finished product proly burns n tastes like shit. U dont need flush w organics but i prefer to flush for 2 weeks always.
And yes i use "pk boosters" for a week or so to ripen and produce tight hard flowers bcuz it works. Period
Different strains require different nutrients, some like heavy feedings with nitrogen and calcium some are magnesium hounds and some dont like much of anythig in abundance.
Theres also different flowering stages that require different nutrient ratios for early bloom - mid bloom and ripening so you cant possibly say one npk ratio is all u need when thats not the case.
I never run a high P fert. I run high nitrogen and potassium depending on stage im in the phosphorus isnt needed anywhere near the amounts of the N or K.
But u know all so u should know this. If u use synthetic nutrients and u dont flush ur an idiot and ur finished product proly burns n tastes like shit. U dont need flush w organics but i prefer to flush for 2 weeks always.
And yes i use "pk boosters" for a week or so to ripen and produce tight hard flowers bcuz it works. Period
Flushing and stripping all fan leaves off the last 7-10 days before harvest absolutely works and the science is simple to explain and understand.
When you are growing using synthetic nutrients via soilless mediums the final 2 weeks you stop flush medium w 1/4 strength nutrients on day 1 of flush to get rid of salt build up and break down whatsever left in your container.
* hydroponics just straight water for 2 weeks this is for growing in soilless mediums container growing drain to waste systems*
You let the medium dry out thoroughly than follow it up with just enzymes and ph balanced water to break down all the nutrients that still remain for 1 week.
I than strip all the fan leaves off the plant for a simple reason. When you stop feeding at the roots what does your plant do?
It starts using the stored nutrients that remain in your leaves to try and pull all remaining resources into your flowers. Thats why you do this after 1 week of flushing so it draws up and depletes the leaves turning them the nice yellows, purples, red colors etc..
The finall week of flush when all fan leaves are off you use just plain ph'd water and continuously let them dry out completely. Notnonly does removing the fan leaves deplete the nutrients and stop them from getting into your flowers it also triggers a hormonal response like an insect or animal attack which responds by producing resins to protect the flowers from predators. Than you add in the fact your drying out the containers so additional resins are built up i like to dry them out completely for final 3 days no water at all. This produces 10% reson production increase on your flowers.
Removing these fan leaves also aids in ripening and finishing up the lower under developed flowers on the bottom and middle of your plants. So you can harvest everything at once doing this for the final 2 weeks ensures everything will pretty much be done and ready to harvest at the same time.
I also like to begin lowering the humidity down to about 35-40% for the final week which also aids in developing the resin glands and trichome production leaving you with a beautifully ripened and matured plant that has minimal nutrients stored in the med giving you full flavor and superb clean smoke. Doesnt burn and crackle like heavily unflushed plants which taste like crap and leave bad after taste from salts n chem in ur mouth.
im only speaking about soillless mediums and hydroponic style growing. I dont know how well a flush would work on a organic soil garden. I dont think you will benefit as much as growing this way by flushing and I dont feel it is an necessary anyways since plants taking up only what it needs and isnt being force fed via roots every time you feed etc..
Anyone who says you dont need flush running synthetics has alot to learn and understand about producing quality grade A smoke
When you are growing using synthetic nutrients via soilless mediums the final 2 weeks you stop flush medium w 1/4 strength nutrients on day 1 of flush to get rid of salt build up and break down whatsever left in your container.
* hydroponics just straight water for 2 weeks this is for growing in soilless mediums container growing drain to waste systems*
You let the medium dry out thoroughly than follow it up with just enzymes and ph balanced water to break down all the nutrients that still remain for 1 week.
I than strip all the fan leaves off the plant for a simple reason. When you stop feeding at the roots what does your plant do?
It starts using the stored nutrients that remain in your leaves to try and pull all remaining resources into your flowers. Thats why you do this after 1 week of flushing so it draws up and depletes the leaves turning them the nice yellows, purples, red colors etc..
The finall week of flush when all fan leaves are off you use just plain ph'd water and continuously let them dry out completely. Notnonly does removing the fan leaves deplete the nutrients and stop them from getting into your flowers it also triggers a hormonal response like an insect or animal attack which responds by producing resins to protect the flowers from predators. Than you add in the fact your drying out the containers so additional resins are built up i like to dry them out completely for final 3 days no water at all. This produces 10% reson production increase on your flowers.
Removing these fan leaves also aids in ripening and finishing up the lower under developed flowers on the bottom and middle of your plants. So you can harvest everything at once doing this for the final 2 weeks ensures everything will pretty much be done and ready to harvest at the same time.
I also like to begin lowering the humidity down to about 35-40% for the final week which also aids in developing the resin glands and trichome production leaving you with a beautifully ripened and matured plant that has minimal nutrients stored in the med giving you full flavor and superb clean smoke. Doesnt burn and crackle like heavily unflushed plants which taste like crap and leave bad after taste from salts n chem in ur mouth.
im only speaking about soillless mediums and hydroponic style growing. I dont know how well a flush would work on a organic soil garden. I dont think you will benefit as much as growing this way by flushing and I dont feel it is an necessary anyways since plants taking up only what it needs and isnt being force fed via roots every time you feed etc..
Anyone who says you dont need flush running synthetics has alot to learn and understand about producing quality grade A smoke
Budley Doright
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I thought this was about CO2 hmmm what happened? LOL. And for what its worth I brew a worm casting tea for my hydro setup and it seems to make the plants quite happy with a pretty amazing root structure but never have done a side by with a sterile res so quite ancedotal. I also run just straight bene's and results are pretty much the same just more costly.
Shit i messed up this wasnt supposed be in this thread I had a bunch of alerts and threads going I thought I was responding in a different one my apologies for posting that here.
greasemonkeymann
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so just to be clear you are saying molasses stabilizes ph, removes salts, and I should flush (with 1/4 strength nutrients) after adding high phosphurus and high potassium nutrients, is this correct?
And having an even NPK throughout the grow WON"T work?
Just making sure I understand your point of view fully.
When you say "pk boosters" you are referring to something with high amounts of phosphorus and potassium?
Dr. Who
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Oh sigh, I just have to
They do not REQUIRE any difference other then HOW you feed them.....More or less of a quality balanced nutrient.
Some feed more, some less. It's up to you to do that properly.
Yes I can! I build a water only soil - the NPK never changes.....MANY of us simply use a 3-1-2 ratio fert with all the needed micro's...It's all you really need - good balanced nutrition! You've fallen for that Nutrient company BS..."You'll do better with this and then this and don't forget to add that!" That's ALL BS dude!
Yes you do! You even SAY SO in this color!
WHAT? That is old school hippy MYTH!
IT'S ALL IN THE CURE!!!!
Well I already mentioned this one.....But, it's another thing that really isn't needed.....Oh it might work a tad if done very very sparingly......Nah, not worth the inflated price your friends with the labs and glossy propaganda mags and the multi page adds full of over inflated claims that make people like you believe in snakeoil..
Sorry, but if you answer like a fool,,,,,,,,
Boy,,with that post....I do wonder if it's old pic?
Doc
In my short time on here Ive learned a few things.
1) people are cheap
2) people think every company who sells nutrients are crooks
3) its your way or everyone else is wrong
4) God forgive anyone who disagrees with the masses and cult followers a few of you members seems to have
5) everything that costs more than 20$ is "snakeoil" or over priced
6) "pk boosters" are gimicks and dont work (I disagree, they do work when used properly the problem is people abuse them because they dont understand how and when to apply them. They only need to be used for a couple feedings at certain times and that it. Any more can fck ur shit up)
7) flushing is wrong (i also disagree, i stated my explanation earlier. Pretty cut and dry)
And last but not leaste ppl love to argue and tell other ppl they are stupid bcuz they use diff methods to grow and dont follow the same formulas or products u use. Its ridiculous how grown adults act over caddy shit.
Theres more than 1 way to do things. Youre opinions and ways are not the only right way. Stop actin like your God's of growing and u invented cannabis cuz anyone who thinks they know everything is full a shit.
1) people are cheap
2) people think every company who sells nutrients are crooks
3) its your way or everyone else is wrong
4) God forgive anyone who disagrees with the masses and cult followers a few of you members seems to have
5) everything that costs more than 20$ is "snakeoil" or over priced
6) "pk boosters" are gimicks and dont work (I disagree, they do work when used properly the problem is people abuse them because they dont understand how and when to apply them. They only need to be used for a couple feedings at certain times and that it. Any more can fck ur shit up)
7) flushing is wrong (i also disagree, i stated my explanation earlier. Pretty cut and dry)
And last but not leaste ppl love to argue and tell other ppl they are stupid bcuz they use diff methods to grow and dont follow the same formulas or products u use. Its ridiculous how grown adults act over caddy shit.
Theres more than 1 way to do things. Youre opinions and ways are not the only right way. Stop actin like your God's of growing and u invented cannabis cuz anyone who thinks they know everything is full a shit.
Molasses conditions soil, provides food for microbes, and can aid in stabilizing your mediums from salt build up this is what I said.
I never said anything about flushing after using pk boosters. I said "I flush" when i run synthetic nutrients and I start with 1/4 strength to break down the salts remaining in medium. Followed by the enzymes and water. I explained it so it was very easy to understand, dont know whats confusing about it at all.
Yes you can use a 1-1-1 to feed I said U can use different ratios during the different stages of growth.
Yes pk boosters can be used to ripen and set flowers beginning of flower cycle. I use them and I get flower and bud set in 3-5 days and they enable me to switch to bloom very quickly. I than use them for a feeding or 2 during the end of the main flowering stage before ripening to bulk and harden flowers usually around wk 6. And yes it works "for me"! It aint how everyone does it but it does work.
Theres more than one way to grow u guys can do ur way im talking about what I do. Thats my opinion and that is it.
a mongo frog
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Two different grow styles you guys are arguing about
Trust me im not trying to argue im not interested in arguing or gettin into any debate with someone who comes out of nowhere and wants me to do a question and answer so he can analyze whether or not he thinks i answered his questions correctly.
I b the first to tell u i dont even know half the bs he was asking me to answer and i dont think many ppl i know wud be able to answer it either and we all grow really good meds.
So idk what he is trying to get at, but i got my way of doin things he can stick to what he does im not losing sleep over it and most likely ill just be ignoring any other posts he tries to direct towards me.
Im a license care giver i obviously grow good meds its what i do for a living. I have a partnership in my state w a dispensary that i provide for full time and im good. So whether this guy thinks he knows more than me about botany or horticulture bcuz he knows about how many hormones his plants using and producing doesnt mean anything to me. Its not something you even really need to know to be honest.
You have a good light, stable medium with good ph and give plants a good base nutrient and thats all u need to grow. All this over analyzed technical shit is for the birds. Its not a business or a hobby u need a phd to figure out at the end of the day its all about keeping shit simple. I use basic one part nutrients and a few additives and keep good beneficials and microbes that provide a good environment for my roots and im all set lol.
These guys come on and get all technical and scientific about something that is not that complicated. Were growing plants not building nuclear reactors and plutonium driven space ships. U can be a middle school drop out and figure this shit out. It aint that serious
Dr. Who
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Interesting last line there.....Every thread you walk into....You take it over like your the GOD,,,,It's "your right" and you argue that someone else that answers is wrong........Defoliation..A hands on approach......is a perfect example.....Your the one answering questions in that godly manor... And by the way,,,,,I've done the defoliation side by side - It's NOT worth the result.....Overblown and simply another "logic" myth......
Hell yes I'm cheap,,,,I look for every way I can save $ in my grows.....And the #1 way is to not buy into the BULLSHIT that most nutrient companies spew forth......Advanced is the worst! Do their products work? Yes, but your paying to much for to little and many of the "wonder" chem's you flat out don't need to get "The best result possible".....Then you have H&G. Another one for having lots of parts that "must have"..to get "their best" results.....FAH! What crap! Cyco out of Aus. Another lots of parts and way to expensive maker....Works great,,,but you can do just as good for far less! The way you talk, shows you believe that to do well you have to use this and that and buy factory made, lab invented nutrition.....More Horse shit!
That should about cover 1 through 6....
Now on 7, Flushing......Let me guess. You "tested" the diff and found flushing better......Sure, ok, fine...LOL
Flush away dude,,,,,do what you believe......Flushing multiple gallons of water per gallon of pot size does NOTHING to improve flavor or the burn! Using a flushing agent - Simply puts money in the makers pocket and does the same nothing to flavor...Name me one,,,ONE thing farmed in soil or hydro that gets flushed before any human consumption? How about any other smoked plant? Where did this flushing idea come from? Logic? Logic doesn't work well in growing.....Why does this work?
Please explain WHY flushing works? Can you do it all uncomplicated......I would prefer you do it with the science of why it works.....Or does removing nutrition from your plant at a critical time get cancelled by your need for "flavor"?...
Anyway,,,after I read this retort....I'm on ignore.
DOC
"Crazy Shit"
P.S. Molasses is another overrated/overstated old school semi myth.....It does FAR less then you state.....Feed the Bio's, yup that's right, for the most part......Where the hell did you get "condition's the soil?"
Oh, and BTW. When I mention "Ben". How do you "know" just who I'm referring to?
I am becoming more and more convinced that this is PIC......The one thing you don't address is that one....Not to mention you type like the same crap he did....Hmmm
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Listen idk who "Pic" is or some code name for something but I dont care.
Im not interested in arguing man. You obv believe what you believe and thats all good. We have agree to disagree.
I dont use flushing products at all never said I did. I said I use enzymes and water. Once heavy metals are in your flowers from heavy feeding synthetics the shit isnt gonna flush out regardless. But you can flush out and reduce the extra salts and nutrients stored in the leaves and plant by just using water for final weeks. Last time i checked no nutrient companies make money off of telling you to flush with water for 2 weeks.
If flushing didnt work companies wud want u to keep feeding more nutrients wudnt they? They wud want u to run nutrients all way til end more money for them. Most companies who know tell you to flush for minimum 1 week why is that if it doesnt work?
Its a redundant point just like defoliation. You say it doesnt work I say I know it does.
Since u want me to answer questions, answer this one question: do you think when growing large plants indoors that you should lollipop your plants?
The answer is YES, and lollipopping is a form of defoliation. You are removing branches and leaves that dont get light and will never grow good quality flowers. So u remove them to focus on the upper canopy. This is defoliation.
Some strains when you order them via seed in their instructions will even tell you out right. If u grow this strain in scrog style or heavily packed areas you may want to defoliate to increase light penetration and reduce risks of molds and fungus. Defoliation isnt just used for increasing yields, strains susceptible to molds and fungi benefit from defoliation reducing the risks for problems in your garden.
Defoliation began NOT IN CANNABIS CULTIVATION, but is a horticultural practice in harvesting legumes, "beans", tomatoes, peas, apples etc..
If u grow tomatoes u should know damn well that on a leaf set when the flowet clusters form usually in groups of 4-5 flowers that will turn into tomatoes. If u remove 3 of them and focus on growing just the other 2 your tomatoes will increase in size by redirecting the energy and focus on those main fruit sites.
People use these techniques and brought them indoors into cannabis gardens and said if this works on all these other plants for farmers it shud work for us. So they tried it and realized removing lower, light deprived branches and shoots drives production of the upper canopy forcing larger denser flower production. Its not hard to understand man it really isnt. Theres tons of information on the web at book stores anywhere regarding this subject. And its not just for cannabis it goes for alot of plants and farmers who use defoliation techniques of all kinds.
These are all types of defoliation:
Lollipopping
Selective leaf removal
Site and branch removal
And listen i never said that defoliation is the end all be all of increasing yields etc. i said I defoliate because the strains im running respond well to it and I see a difference in my final product. Nothing but premium quality flowers, if u grow for quality and want nothing but chunks that u need to get ur money to give dispensaries and patients all that fluff is just a waste of time and draws away nutrients and energy from the shit u want to focus on which is ur tops.
Some strains dont like defoliation and can lose yield and fck the whole plants metabolism and growth completely. This is especially true for most sativa strains. I dont grow those I grow indicas primarily or hybrids. Strains that are meant specifically to grow indoors.
Outdoors you dont need to defoliate, theres ample amounts of light and plenty of space, air flow etc.. And u dont wanna defoliate outdoors because bugs will also move up your plant into your main canopy given the chance. Thats just one small reason on a large scale. Defoliation is just one tool and trick to focus and grow only premium top shelf flowers by driving all energy and resources to the part of the plant receiving all the light where all the photosynthesis, auxins and hormones are being driven. Since cannabis grows via apical dominance that hottom shit no matter how much light u have will never be anything.
So defoliate the shit take it off and grow out nuttin but chunk tops. Its a simple process and it works. Idk what the arguments about. Either u do it and u benefit or u dont do it and u got tons of larf and shit to trim at the end. And reduced bud size and potential at ur canopy.
So how can u say it doesnt work when its practiced and books written about it from master growers all over the world man.
Cmon dude just stop it. I understand ur rant about nutrient companies, i get it. They want u to over feed and use all kinds of products u dont really need. Well ur a sucker if u buy the shit u dont need.
I buy the shit from them i do need and that I like. Growing for along time and I know what Im feeding my plants and use a mixture of products from various companies not just one lineup. I never recommend anyone to use just str8 one nutrient line some product are better in different groups and classes and u shud find shit u like the best.
Molasses does condition the soil. If u know the definition of condition maybe you would understand it better.
Condition: the state of something, especially in regards to the appearance, quality, and working order
Conditioner: a substance or appliance used to improve something's condition
Molasses is a substance, that aids in improving the condition of your soil by supplying microbes and beneficial a healthy environment to populate, break down nutrients and thrive.
Molasses also contains potash, sulphur and many other trace elements in quantities available to your plants.
Molasses also acts as a natural chelating agent and helps turn unusable nutrients into useable easily absorbed forms by breaking down the soil and conditioning it to make it more sustainable and hospitable to microbial life.
Maybe ignorance of the words is whats making my posts hard for u to understand ny apologies. Figure since u like using big scientific words to describe a weed plant u wud know simple and common household terminology such as condition.
If you grow synthetics and u dont flush go put a flower in ur microwave and turn it on. Ive seen flowers using Heavy 16 and dynagro shoot sparks off the flowers from so much metal content in their products.
Try it out and see for yourself. There videos of it online also. And I know someone who does lab testing for quality control for some dispensaries out west that test for that shit and its crazy how much metals and shit are left in flowers that arent flushed out. Theres plenty of reports and information regarding this topic available to anyone who researchs it.
Try it out and see for yourself. There videos of it online also. And I know someone who does lab testing for quality control for some dispensaries out west that test for that shit and its crazy how much metals and shit are left in flowers that arent flushed out. Theres plenty of reports and information regarding this topic available to anyone who researchs it.
States like Washington have made companies release their real contents. People argue that plants cant tell difference between synthetics and organic nutrients"salts are salts" and this is true to an extent. But its not just the salts that plants absorb its all the extra shit in synthetic ferts here one website with many common ferts including the real date regarding toxins and heavy metals. Which is why its good to flush you grows for 2 weeks to reduce the amounts of shit and contaminants in ur garden.
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/docs/rptFertHMWebCurrent.pdf
Theres plenty of sites and information u canfind on the subject.
U want to smoke that shit go ahead but im all set.
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/docs/rptFertHMWebCurrent.pdf
Theres plenty of sites and information u canfind on the subject.
U want to smoke that shit go ahead but im all set.
Also at the end of the day. Regarding NPK ratios. Many different ratios work for growing and theres no one right ratio over another.
As long as u provide the proper nutrients and they all work together to produce a good aerobic environment with positive and negative ions that work together. Your plants will grow properly without issue.
Some plants like more nitrogen than other, some like more calcium some like more magnesium, so how can one ratio be the end all be all? It cant thats why theres different formulas and nutrients like GH 3 Part that allow u to change the ratios according to ur plants needs.
Also different plants absorb nutrients at different Ph levels, so thats another factor. Just because its all same type of plant different strains and breeds require many different things to get goood end results.
Theres no magic formula anywhere that will produce the same results on different varieties. If that was the case there wud be 1 nutrient company that dominates the industry and everyone wud know about it and there wud b no competition. This simply just inst the case and thats for a purpose because there is no such thing.
If u think all plants like the same ratios and same ph and environment than u have alot more learning to do than i thought to begin with.
As long as u provide the proper nutrients and they all work together to produce a good aerobic environment with positive and negative ions that work together. Your plants will grow properly without issue.
Some plants like more nitrogen than other, some like more calcium some like more magnesium, so how can one ratio be the end all be all? It cant thats why theres different formulas and nutrients like GH 3 Part that allow u to change the ratios according to ur plants needs.
Also different plants absorb nutrients at different Ph levels, so thats another factor. Just because its all same type of plant different strains and breeds require many different things to get goood end results.
Theres no magic formula anywhere that will produce the same results on different varieties. If that was the case there wud be 1 nutrient company that dominates the industry and everyone wud know about it and there wud b no competition. This simply just inst the case and thats for a purpose because there is no such thing.
If u think all plants like the same ratios and same ph and environment than u have alot more learning to do than i thought to begin with.
greasemonkeymann
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I was just clarifying, no need for the ass-pain.
Just making sure I got you fully, I tend to have problems digesting certain... um... theories.
a 10% resin increase for simply not giving them water for the last three days!
Wow, I gotta try that!
Dr. Who
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You seem to like to read...so ok, don't take my word for it. READ THESE - really read them!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/light.853779/
......If you don't know who Uncle Ben really IS...then your labeling of MASTER GROWERS all over the world is crap......Jorge Cervantes says NO to even fan leaf removing ....Isn't HE a "master grower" who writes books?
Look, I'm only giving you a place to read about a counter view and it's BY master growers! TAKE A LOOK!
This is not an argument. This is me sharing info put better then I can right now, with my blood pressure up (not by you for the most part. HAVAC company pushed my instal back again).
I agree we disagree!
Ignore has begun
Doc
"Crazy Shit"
BTW, some of your answers are pretty good.. I am finding some "respect".... I'm adding crazy shit to my sign off.....In honor of you....
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potroastV2
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Fine, "Doc" we've heard from you. Thanks for that, and we'll also thank you for ignoring this thread from now on. Your antagonistic responses are detracting from the subject. We've heard your emphasized rants, and you are not being respectful.
