Advanced Nutrients

[TheChemist77]

damn lots of bitching here,,, cant we all agree to disagree on nutrients?? u like what u like, i like what i liike..as long as we all have nice potent weed.. nobodys weed is better than anbody elses thats strain differences,,,unless ur a noob!!

 

[TheChemist77]

although id love to grow organicly,,i feel its alot of work..so i grow hydro as long as we do it well, thats what matters wright??

 

[Dr. Who]

Ignorance is bliss. You know nothing about my education. And don't fucking call me son.

Funny, I have a cut of critical hog that doesn't work under my normal feeding schedule. Requires damn near the opposite.... Hates nitrogen in flower. While my blue dream ask for extra nitrogen. My plants tell me they do not use the same thing as each other....But all marijuana uses the same ratio of nutrients? Yea...ok
Just to take it a step further. You think landrace strains from Afghanistan and Mexico have the same nutrient needs or the same nutrients available at the same ratios? No.

Soil plants in nature, use what is available as it needs it....It is a symbiotic relationship between the soil, the living Bio's and the plant.
EACH feed the other as they need......

And NO! I don't give a damn what you "think"......Plants of any species/family do not differ in NPK ratio's.....You need to adjust HOW you feed and not what you feed....except for synthetic's for Veg to bloom needs.....Because the plant is not in the "soil - food - web" anymore. YOU have to make available it's nutritional needs..

It's not the Ratio that's different. it's the plants nutritional needs across the board.....

Shit PK, I've seen you call U Ben names.....You have NO fuck'in idea just WHO that man REALLY is or what he has done/contributed to the growing community as a whole, do you?
And you Jbonehead, simply parrot his garbage.

Really Carolina? I thought you were better then that.....live and learn...

I guess I'm at that point where you get tired of the close minded crap and myth's espoused and propagated by the novice and intermediate growers who vastly share their pseudo science to the poor willing masses of those really wanting to learn something.
Not to mention the intolerance for each other by the Factions of the Organic community vs. themselves and vs. the synthetic community.....

As far as the "son" goes.....I'll bet the farm I'm older and have been doing it longer......Pardon if it pissed you off......I just get tired of "LOGIC" as used as plant standards......

 

[Dr. Who]

although id love to grow organicly,,i feel its alot of work..so i grow hydro as long as we do it well, thats what matters wright??

Just a friendly Point Chem.....Organic's is not, nor does it have to be "a lot of work"!
In the long run. It is FAR easier for me to mix a soil (water only start to finish) and simply open the grow and water it (no measuring, no metering, no adjusting) and walk away......I use less water too!
Is it labor intensive to actually make the soil? No,,,,I use a local organic soil charged with 30 days nutrition and amend that for my "water only soil" (I don't like the term "supersoil").....I recharge the used soil after use and reuse it = even more savings.....Yes, it takes 30 days to "cook" (original soil mixing - recharge can be used pretty much right away) but once you've done your first,,,you'll never go back!

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

Soil plants in nature, use what is available as it needs it....It is a symbiotic relationship between the soil, the living Bio's and the plant.
EACH feed the other as they need......

And NO! I don't give a damn what you "think"......Plants of any species/family do not differ in NPK ratio's.....You need to adjust HOW you feed and not what you feed....except for synthetic's for Veg to bloom needs.....Because the plant is not in the "soil - food - web" anymore. YOU have to make available it's nutritional needs..

It's not the Ratio that's different. it's the plants nutritional needs across the board.....

Shit PK, I've seen you call U Ben names.....You have NO fuck'in idea just WHO that man REALLY is or what he has done/contributed to the growing community as a whole, do you?
And you Jbonehead, simply parrot his garbage.

Really Carolina? I thought you were better then that.....live and learn...

I guess I'm at that point where you get tired of the close minded crap and myth's espoused and propagated by the novice and intermediate growers who vastly share their pseudo science to the poor willing masses of those really wanting to learn something.
Not to mention the intolerance for each other by the Factions of the Organic community vs. themselves and vs. the synthetic community.....

As far as the "son" goes.....I'll bet the farm I'm older and have been doing it longer......Pardon if it pissed you off......I just get tired of "LOGIC" as used as plant standards......

I'm from the south and Son and Boy are very derogatory words. Didn't mean to come off as a dick. Because your right I am better than that. Sorry if I offended you.

I still disagree that all strains use the same ratios of nutrients. I have forum cut cookies that loves extra calcium and magnesium. my blue dream loves extra nitrogen and the hog hates nitrogen. (I am not adjusting any of the other nutrients levels at all, just want the plant is asking for more of)
I have never met someone who ran the exact same ratios for multiple strains without problems. I have dedicated feeding schedules for each strain.
This is from my experience, if you can scientifically prove me different, please do. I'm all about learning.

 

[Dr. Who]

I'm from the south and Son and Boy are very derogatory words. Didn't mean to come off as a dick. Because your right I am better than that. Sorry if I offended you.

I still disagree that all strains use the same ratios of nutrients. I have forum cut cookies that loves extra calcium and magnesium. my blue dream loves extra nitrogen and the hog hates nitrogen.
I have never met someone who ran the exact same ratios for multiple strains without problems. I have dedicated feeding schedules for each strain.
This is from my experience, if you can scientifically prove me different, please do. I'm all about learning.

Thanks man....No problem! (I understand the south thing.....I was a DAMN Yankee for a short while).

I did, for years and years..I know LOTS who still do....I simply used Brand X nutrient - Veg, bloom, PK and some Old Age Kelp maybe some simple bio tea once a week on "water" day......Some Sativa's required more water days and less feed days.....I could, and did, do lower nutrient concentrations for them too...worked fine!
Another one was using Jack's powders.....Mix at my needed concentration and just use less or more as needed....You see in hydro you put in a mix at "A" concentration and the plant likes less or more of that as needed....So, you adjust your ppm needs to the plant! Not the NPK ratio.......Pushing P&K in bloom can be a science in it's self.......some can take more some can take less....YOU are playing with the ratio to make the plant DO a desired THING or RESULT you want! The plant does NOT REQUIRE the ratio change.

As for the Ca/Mg....There must have been some other reason for you "needing" to adjust the Ca/Mg levels......availability to the plant is my first guess......That could be a pH or a Water "buffer" content issue at different times....

Peace on man!

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

Thanks man....No problem! (I understand the south thing.....I was a DAMN Yankee for a short while).

I did, for years and years..I know LOTS who still do....I simply used Brand X nutrient - Veg, bloom, PK and some Old Age Kelp maybe some simple bio tea once a week on "water" day......Some Sativa's required more water days and less feed days.....I could, and did, do lower nutrient concentrations for them too...worked fine!
Another one was using Jack's powders.....Mix at my needed concentration and just use less or more as needed....You see in hydro you put in a mix at "A" concentration and the plant likes less or more of that as needed....So, you adjust your ppm needs to the plant! Not the NPK ratio.......Pushing P&K in bloom can be a science in it's self.......some can take more some can take less....YOU are playing with the ratio to make the plant DO a desired THING or RESULT you want! The plant does NOT REQUIRE the ratio change.

As for the Ca/Mg....There must have been some other reason for you "needing" to adjust the Ca/Mg levels......availability to the plant is my first guess......That could be a pH or a Water "buffer" content issue at different times....

Peace on man!

The water for all three strains is the same. Used at the same time, I simply had deficiencies without adding calmag to my forum cut.

We will just have to have a difference of opinions on this one! Nothing wrong with that.

 

[homebrewer]

I still disagree that all strains use the same ratios of nutrients. I have forum cut cookies that loves extra calcium and magnesium. my blue dream loves extra nitrogen and the hog hates nitrogen. (I am not adjusting any of the other nutrients levels at all, just want the plant is asking for more of)
I have never met someone who ran the exact same ratios for multiple strains without problems. I have dedicated feeding schedules for each strain.
This is from my experience, if you can scientifically prove me different, please do. I'm all about learning.

I feed ALL my plants in promix the exact same thing from start to finish, the only thing that changes is the strength. I have a 125 day sativa, 80 day hybrids, and 60 day couch-lock indicas. Every plant is greasy and deficiency free.

 

[Dr. Who]

The water for all three strains is the same. Used at the same time, I simply had deficiencies without adding calmag to my forum cut.

We will just have to have a difference of opinions on this one! Nothing wrong with that.

Agreed!

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

I feed ALL my plants in promix the exact same thing from start to finish, the only thing that changes is the strength. I have a 125 day sativa, 80 day hybrids, and 60 day couch-lock indicas. Every plant is greasy and deficiency free.

I do not doubt you. Not in the slightest. It just doesn't seem to work that way in my garden.

 

[homebrewer]

I do not doubt you. Not in the slightest. It just doesn't seem to work that way in my garden.

Just out of curiosity, when are these deficiencies popping up?

 

[Wavels]

Well, well, the more things change, the more they stay the same...

This type of bickering has been going on forever.
Albeit amusing at times, it can become ponderous.

In my estimation, the quality of a fertilizer, or lack thereof, is one of the least important variables in a successful "bumper" crop of top shelf ganja.

What is far more important is the growers skill set, i.e.; the ability to know what the plant needs when it needs it, becoming a "plant whisperer" is infinitely more important than what brand of nutrients a grower uses.
All nutrients on the market will grow great buds, it is more about the growers ability to administer these nutrients when and how they are needed.

Another more important variable is ambient temperature and relative humidity.

Quality and duration of light source is also far more important than the brand of nutrients.

I have been growing cannabis for over forty years now, this has motivated me to learn how to propagate and nurture many dozens of different types of flowers and veggies and ornamentals over the decades.

The grow medium quality is also more important than the brand of fertilizer provided

Cannabis is one of the easier plants I have ever attempted to grow to lush, successful maturity.

FWIW, I have been using Jack's classic Citrus FeEd only and ProMix BX for the past couple of years...as this is all that my ganja plants need.

Carry on.

 

[pk_boosted2]

I can tell you've never taken a marketing class.



AN does not have a 100% money back guarantee. They are not the ones refunding your money, it's the grow shop and it's up to the grow shop's discretion as to whether you're getting your money back or not. Even if the shop takes your AN bottle back, the grow shop is not refunded 100% for said product meaning the grow shop takes a hit. That is not a company standing behind their product, that's a gimmicky 'guarantee' that screws the middleman.



Cannabis is NOT a special plant with needs that are much different than a tomato or a pepper plant. Again, you've been sold the notion that cannabis IS special and it can only be grown with special plant food. Sorry, but that's pathetic.



We're talking about liquid plants food here. If, for example, calcium nitrate or potassium sulfate or potassium phosphate is 100% water soluble then that is as good as it gets. Again, your notion that there is any difference in these water soluble salts is misguided.

Face the facts, you pay a premium for the same salts the rest of us are using and the kicker is that your bottles are about 1/2 as concentrated as ours.

No YOU ARE WRONG!

An has 100% guarantee u call the 1-800# on the bottle and u tell em directly they product u didnt like and u get ur refund.

I did this myself when the Conni first came out bcuz before they had new formula i was gettin ph problems in my coco grow i called them and they directly sent me my money and on top of it they also gave me 2 gallons of jungle juice 2 part a & b for free to try on my next run.

So youre wrong again. But u dont know cuz u dont deal w them so stop BS bout suttin u know nuttin about.

And yes the hydrostore u go to will take anything back as well and AN directly replaces it with them also. So u dont make any sense lol. Either way u get ur money back

 

[pk_boosted2]

I can tell you've never taken a marketing class.



AN does not have a 100% money back guarantee. They are not the ones refunding your money, it's the grow shop and it's up to the grow shop's discretion as to whether you're getting your money back or not. Even if the shop takes your AN bottle back, the grow shop is not refunded 100% for said product meaning the grow shop takes a hit. That is not a company standing behind their product, that's a gimmicky 'guarantee' that screws the middleman.



Cannabis is NOT a special plant with needs that are much different than a tomato or a pepper plant. Again, you've been sold the notion that cannabis IS special and it can only be grown with special plant food. Sorry, but that's pathetic.



We're talking about liquid plants food here. If, for example, calcium nitrate or potassium sulfate or potassium phosphate is 100% water soluble then that is as good as it gets. Again, your notion that there is any difference in these water soluble salts is misguided.

Face the facts, you pay a premium for the same salts the rest of us are using and the kicker is that your bottles are about 1/2 as concentrated as ours.

Ok so Dyna Gro tells u to run their nutrients during beg at 8 ml/gal during veg and up to 16 ml in bloom right?

Well AN has u run their bases at max doses of 8 ml/gal. I NEVER EXCEED 4/5 ml/gallon when im running most of the lineup because PPM. Would be off the charts if u tried to.

So last time i checked AN is much stronger that Dyna Gro ml/gallon so I really dont know how u claim its watered down when the dillytion rate asks u to apply more Dyna Gro than AN lol.

 

[Carolina Dream'n]

Just out of curiosity, when are these deficiencies popping up?

The first 2 weeks of flower for the forum cut and blue dream. The hog is pretty much a nitrogen hater all the way through. She will show nitrogen toxicity very easily.

 

[pk_boosted2]

I can tell you've never taken a marketing class.



AN does not have a 100% money back guarantee. They are not the ones refunding your money, it's the grow shop and it's up to the grow shop's discretion as to whether you're getting your money back or not. Even if the shop takes your AN bottle back, the grow shop is not refunded 100% for said product meaning the grow shop takes a hit. That is not a company standing behind their product, that's a gimmicky 'guarantee' that screws the middleman.



Cannabis is NOT a special plant with needs that are much different than a tomato or a pepper plant. Again, you've been sold the notion that cannabis IS special and it can only be grown with special plant food. Sorry, but that's pathetic.



We're talking about liquid plants food here. If, for example, calcium nitrate or potassium sulfate or potassium phosphate is 100% water soluble then that is as good as it gets. Again, your notion that there is any difference in these water soluble salts is misguided.

Face the facts, you pay a premium for the same salts the rest of us are using and the kicker is that your bottles are about 1/2 as concentrated as ours.

In regards to marketing I actually have a BA in Bus Admin and. A 4 yr BS in Economics from Suffolk Univ in Boston and AN has best marketing in business lol. Ur an idiot. LOL

 

[pk_boosted2]

Soil plants in nature, use what is available as it needs it....It is a symbiotic relationship between the soil, the living Bio's and the plant.
EACH feed the other as they need......

And NO! I don't give a damn what you "think"......Plants of any species/family do not differ in NPK ratio's.....You need to adjust HOW you feed and not what you feed....except for synthetic's for Veg to bloom needs.....Because the plant is not in the "soil - food - web" anymore. YOU have to make available it's nutritional needs..

It's not the Ratio that's different. it's the plants nutritional needs across the board.....

Shit PK, I've seen you call U Ben names.....You have NO fuck'in idea just WHO that man REALLY is or what he has done/contributed to the growing community as a whole, do you?
And you Jbonehead, simply parrot his garbage.

Really Carolina? I thought you were better then that.....live and learn...

I guess I'm at that point where you get tired of the close minded crap and myth's espoused and propagated by the novice and intermediate growers who vastly share their pseudo science to the poor willing masses of those really wanting to learn something.
Not to mention the intolerance for each other by the Factions of the Organic community vs. themselves and vs. the synthetic community.....

As far as the "son" goes.....I'll bet the farm I'm older and have been doing it longer......Pardon if it pissed you off......I just get tired of "LOGIC" as used as plant standards......

So ur gonna sit here and try to tell experienced growers that saliva dominant strains opposed to indicate dominant strains don't require diff rations of nitrogen potassium and phosphates??

That's the dumbest shit I ever heard of Sativas ABSOLUTELY NEED MORE NITROGEN throughout flowering cycles than their counterparts. ALL VARIETIES ARE NOT THE SAME AND NEITHER ARE THEIR NEEDS.

Also many diff strains require more calcium and magnesium. I got a Chem Dog original pheno I been running for years and they are cal mag hounds I run upwards of 10ml/gal otherwise they become highly deficient instantly. So that is another example of a macronutrients that differs between strains.

But ur right they all have the same needs. R U SERIOUS? LMAO ... UR A NEWBIE OBVIOUSLY

 

[budman111]

No YOU ARE WRONG!

An has 100% guarantee u call the 1-800# on the bottle and u tell em directly they product u didnt like and u get ur refund.

Yep, at the stores expense.

 

[707humboldt]

Yep, at the stores expense.

I really doubt when you call AN for a refund, that they ask you where you bought it and charge the store. That makes no sense

 

[pk_boosted2]

U just said u feed all ur plants the same ratio of nutrients but some need more than others. Well if u had a better nutrient ratio for those plants which require more u probably wopulent have to feed as much or often if u gave them higher ratios from the jump. I find this esp true running Canna on Sativas dominant strains. I add nature nectar N thru first 3-4 weeks of bloom otherwise they have early lead drop and yellowing cuz their ratios of nitrogen sources aren't high enough. W the chem they are fine but with my strawberry cough strains they are not and need added nitrogen. Also peak bloom adding additional potassium and phosphate to the cough early on is ideal cuz they need higher levels and ratios than the chem dog does.

Kyle Kushman speaks about this explicitly on his forum which u can read about for ur self. Check it out.