Advanced Nutrients

Jbonezz420 said:

I disagree and and I am curious why youre so passionate about Dyna gro and dissing advanced nutrients and my comments,when this is a advanced nutrients thread?

If you want to advocate dyna grow and hate on advanced when you probably haven't even used it then visit a dyna grow thread

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Ah, Huh,,,,,what?

A few posts up:

Dr. Who said:

Come on you guy's. Really?

It's fine to disagree about what nutrient you like......But don't start making claims that are patently BS.....

I can take Hesi, use the grow, bloom and PK and add a little Sea Green and/or Age Old Kelp and do everything you can and most likely more.....I'll bet someone can do the same with Canna or a host of others.....a few may best my method.....But the point is that AN is not the Holy grail of synthetic's.
The way I see it explained around here (this and other threads) is that it's the end-all, do-all of synthetic nutrients......NOT!
I don't want to hear again about how they did this or balanced that.....It's all done the same way. The base materials may differ some and formulation plays a big roll. But to say that AN is the shit,,,,,,is as ignorant as "I saw a difference in 2 days".......

In my Opinion, based on testing I've done......It's...drum roll please....

Hesi: Soil/Hydro
Canna: Soil/Hydro/Coco
Cyco: Hydro/Soil

As the top 3,,,,,,sorry AN

I did add this and drop that here and there to maximize my runs. It took several+ runs of each to dial in to reach my goals...But these 3 did the best job the fastest.....

Now to really stir the pot......I went right back to organic, water only growing to achieve the best product possible....You can say what you want....but for the money and effective time to $ spent in the grow room.....Organic, water only wins hands down.....My customers/patients aren't wrong!

Doc

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Where did I say Dyna Grow here?

Dyna Grow is a 1 bottle, start to finish nutrient that is the simplest way to learn to grow for the first time grower.
When you learn more about growing and begin to understand the plant and it's needs......You move up the ladder to the product of your choice....
What we are saying as members of the "AN haters club" is that we disagree with the marketing practices of AN in how they package, describe, sell their product, not to mention the outlandish promises they make about using their product!

Does it work? Yes.
Does it work as well as others? For some.
Can you do better with another product? Oh, my YES...!!!

Btw....Cyco is too damned split marketed too! But it works better!

The rage in MM nutrient marketing is to bottle this and that and charge a lot......For things you don't need to get outstanding results!
It takes experience, knowledge of the plant and it's needs and the time and patience to learn those things!

NO ONE NUTRIENT LINE can supply that!

Doc

@chuck estevez Bout right?

@Jbonezz420 Let me ask you a simple 2 part question......What are MM NPK ratio's for Veg and Bloom?

Ok well it all runs together.
Other dude loves dyna gro and hates AN.
You hate me for being another person with another opinion. Bla bla
I never once insulted anyone's logic or methods, i'm reading the forum titled Advanced Nutrients, and posted my two cents.
That's all

Dr. Who said:

Ah, Huh,,,,,what?

A few posts up:



Where did I say Dyna Grow here?

Dyna Grow is a 1 bottle, start to finish nutrient that is the simplest way to learn to grow for the first time grower.
When you learn more about growing and begin to understand the plant and it's needs......You move up the ladder to the product of your choice....
What we are saying as members of the "AN haters club" is that we disagree with the marketing practices of AN in how they package, describe, sell their product, not to mention the outlandish promises they make about using their product!

Does it work? Yes.
Does it work as well as others? For some.
Can you do better with another product? Oh, my YES...!!!

Btw....Cyco is too damned split marketed too! But it works better!

The rage in MM nutrient marketing is to bottle this and that and charge a lot......For things you don't need to get outstanding results!
It takes experience, knowledge of the plant and it's needs and the time and patience to learn those things!

NO ONE NUTRIENT LINE can supply that!

Doc

@chuck estevez Bout right?

@Jbonezz420 Let me ask you a simple 2 part question......What are MM NPK ratio's for Veg and Bloom?

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Different strains need different ratios of nutrients. There is no set npk for marijuana.

Advanced nutrients is still the highest yields I have had to date. Their products work, but in no way am I saying what you are using doesn't. Tbh I suspect them of using bull kelp and paclo.

how u doin carolina?? havnt seen u in awile...grow well my friends!!

TheChemist77 said:

how u doin carolina?? havnt seen u in awile...grow well my friends!!

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I have the flu! Shit sucks. Other than that just doing me. Hbu?

i used AN aswell as a newcomer.. it was quite a bit hard but it worked very well i overdid it several times

but if you get used to the OLD AN build you can use everything ^^ (today its much easier to calculate everything )

Carolina Dream'n said:

Different strains need different ratios of nutrients. There is no set npk for marijuana.

Advanced nutrients is still the highest yields I have had to date. Their products work, but in no way am I saying what you are using doesn't. Tbh I suspect them of using bull kelp and paclo.

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Ratio as in relationship........3-1-2 or 6-2-4 or even 12-4-8....see the math there.....so 3parts N to 1part P to 2parts K would be an effective ratio for MM.....you figure the rest out.......

I'm outa here

ebcrew said:

ive only tried one nutrient line (fox farm) and im less the impressed, so im subbing to this post to see if i could find something better

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Fox Farms good nutrients man. My boy gets really good results w that shit running in promix bx.

2+ per light no co2. I can get u the recipe if u want it. It's very inexpensive and super easy to use and all u need is 4 things. I find it also provides great colors and super frosty final product. I don't use it in particular but my boy runs it for last 3-4 years and his shit comes out really fckin good

Carolina is correct in saying that although all MJ is at end of the day MJ every strain needs diff ratios of nutrients which is especially important when running Sativa strains which run long periods of bloom. They need much higher levels of Nitrogen for overall plant health and they need to be run longer during bloom. Otherwise u will get premature yellowing and leaf drop.

Reason I always liked Advanced over other companies was because they break their nutrients down by categories which u can tailor to specific strains since each variety needs diff things at diff times. Most ppl think they do this for sales and as a gimmick and try forcing PPL to buy shit they don't need which is simply not the case nor the truth.

As much as I like Canna I find when running heavy feeding varieties like Chem's and some OG strains their bases are inadequate regarding Nitrogen levels in bloom and I always have to supplement Nitrogen into feelings for a few weeks or I would get premature yellowing and leaf drop mid blooms. This is especially true when running 10-12 week Sativa strains which need extra N sources for the first 4 weeks to bloom, which is why I also like Advanced because I have never experienced or had issues with their bases not being sufficient.

Regarding "salts" AN does have better derived sources for nutrients. They aren't just synthetics lab made salts such as those used in Dyna Gro.
And it's not only what type of salts being used that make some nutrients better than others. The main and most important thing regarding nutrients is the process for which they are extracted and derived from **BUT most importantly it is how these nutrients are chelated so ur plants can uptake them more easily, readily available and also at a wider range of uptake and also the soluability of the nutrients. This is esp important if u ever ran AN opposed to X nutrients in a hydro system and noticed dramatic swings in PH. Since AN using chelated and special formulas for their nutrients u won't see the wild swings in PH and they are very stable overall. BOL

Jbonezz420 said:

Ok well it all runs together.
Other dude loves dyna gro and hates AN.
You hate me for being another person with another opinion. Bla bla
I never once insulted anyone's logic or methods, i'm reading the forum titled Advanced Nutrients, and posted my two cents.
That's all

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BULLSHIT, you are the same jbone, just with a new screename, same old AN bs.Only now, I have even more suspicion you are an employee of AN. so take that BS over to PK's barn, we ain't buying it.

Carolina Dream'n said:

Different strains need different ratios of nutrients. There is no set npk for marijuana.

Advanced nutrients is still the highest yields I have had to date. Their products work, but in no way am I saying what you are using doesn't. Tbh I suspect them of using bull kelp and paclo.

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They talk about using growth regulators and hormones in their products very openly. They don't say what they are so idk per say. But they obviously have something in their products that promote explosive growth.

I been running same chem and bubba cuts for 5 years (I literally just switched to a couple new varieties now) but I ran Canna for a long time with good results but soon as I switched over to AN I was getting massive colas almost 2-3 times bigger using AN.

It was funny cuz my man who got me started years ago who gave me the Chem cuts also used Canna he gave me his recipe which I added and changed s few things cudnt believe the size of the colas I was getting using AN. He recently switched over to them as well past few runs. He was one of the disbelievers for years and would never buy AN, well he does now. He still uses bio canna for the organic runs for his personal shit once inawhile.

I personally like the 2 part jungle juice bases but he's been running the Conni ph perfect in a current culture setup. And he has some soda bottle size tops on his plants that are insane. I run coco mix so I'm happy w what I get, but if I had the room I'd be running the current culture myself w setup he got cuz he gets some ridiculous #'s off that setup.

Dr. Who said:

Ratio as in relationship........3-1-2 or 6-2-4 or even 12-4-8....see the math there.....so 3parts N to 1part P to 2parts K would be an effective ratio for MM.....you figure the rest out.......

I'm outa here

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Oh yea? Then why does EVERY nutrient company have a different npk ratio.
If it was that simple, all the nutrient companies would be putting out identical proucts.

pk_boosted2 said:

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Regarding "salts" AN does have better derived sources for nutrients. They aren't just synthetics lab made salts such as those used in Dyna Gro.
And it's not only what type of salts being used that make some nutrients better than others. The main and most important thing regarding nutrients is the process for which they are extracted and derived from **BUT most importantly it is how these nutrients are chelated so ur plants can uptake them more easily, readily available and also at a wider range of uptake and also the soluability of the nutrients. This is esp important if u ever ran AN opposed to X nutrients in a hydro system and noticed dramatic swings in PH. Since AN using chelated and special formulas for their nutrients u won't see the wild swings in PH and they are very stable overall. BOL

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It is a fact that AN uses cheap ingredients and sells watery bottles of plant food.

homebrewer said:

It is a fact that AN uses cheap ingredients and sells watery bottles of plant food.

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hang on for the sales pitch and PARAGRAPHS of Bs. he spews it with the best of em

homebrewer said:

It is a fact that AN uses cheap ingredients and sells watery bottles of plant food.

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We know have the guy who put dyna grow on the map. This is going to get interesting.

chuck estevez said:

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That was a great listen. Thanks for posting.

Gees this guy again w his bs. Ok buddy yah AN uses cheap shit they just give u best results but u must be right lol.

If all nutrients and salts were the same there wud be NO competition! There wud b 1 magic bottle that did everything u need. BUT THERE ISNT!! Its for a reason bcuz salts are not just salts.

Nutrients are not created equal. Theres been thousands of articles from scientific studies and journal and scholarly articles written about nutrients derivatives and quality sources. You pay for what you get as Ive said plenty of times.

If anyone is foolish enough to believe that the salts and nutrients used in Dyna Gro are equal to or better than any of the salts nutrients or ingredients in Canna or AN well use them as an example.

Is simply misinformed and IMO a bonehead. Thats a fact. All nutrients and salts are not created equal. And AN uses high quality shit idk where the fck u come up w this jargon and useles rhetoric but go somewhere else w it cuz ur lying.

Carolina Dream'n said:

We know have the guy who put dyna grow on the map. This is going to get interesting.

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@homebrewer
Yah the same guy who did a "side by side" using AN and didnt even use the shit correctly and tried to justify his results when I debunked half the shit in his thread.

Dude over nuted plants, had mad deficiencies and tried blamin it on AN and their quality. When it was simply user error. U run dyna gro all the time and u have never used AN than u wanna do an expirement to try say Dyna Gro better but u dont even know how to use AN and made up a bunch of bs saying it doesnt work when u just didnt know wtf u were doing w it lol