Zeus' 1400w Canadian Basement

ahhh!!!!

i suggested the silica because it helps strengthen the plant and its immunity system.

Mammath said:

Now this is where spider mites would have been better lol.

Seriously though....

I'm still thinking your prob' is environment related.

Like LB asked... Was the whole table of rhinos affected? Every clone?
What position in your room do you measure your RH?
From the canopy in the table of the rhinos?

E&F set ups are like f*cking ponds and every flood emits a shit load of moisture into the room.
...and yeah, a lot of shit lives, and can live, in your pond water.
More so than other hydro set ups.

As much as this discussion on "What the hell is going on here?" is interesting and beneficial, I don't want to start sowing doom and gloom over your room just yet.

Ventilation, given your basement set up, is paramount.
I mean you really need to be moving a lot of air in and out of that cave, and around your canopies 24/7.
Crank that dehumidifier, increase air circulation and ventilation, and I would hope this problem will disappear.

But lets start with how much of the grow is affected?

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lol yea what he said.


we must share a brain together brother...lol

that shit is SPOT on

Gone for a little while and I come back to some serious journal action.
I don't even know where to start replying to all of this.
I'm gonna smoke some ultra-haze and take some pictures.....

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excellent choice. reply to riu or smoke some weed and look at your plants. hands down the best choice! hahahaha! Hope we get to see that all a lil'later ... .walk on!!~~

SpruceZeus said:

I don't even know where to start replying to all of this.

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could you give us a run down of your air movers and sauces??

Heres the flowering room. As you can see, there are 2 oscillating fans blowing on the plants from either direction. The room's exhaust is a 420cfm elicent fan sucking through an open ended cooltube.

The sole active intake is an A/C duct coming straight from the source in the ajdascent room.

Well it turns out that when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me, and also you make your bud into a big pile of ass.

I, being the genuis that I am, have been measuring Humidity of the air coming into my room.

Upon measuring my stats on top of a table, some much more sobering numbers have come up.

Yeah, turns out my "low humidity" is actually 80% as far as the plants are concerned.

Faced with this grim reality. I'm forced to put my dehumidifier inside the flowering room instead of just near it.

Thankfully, the recent decision to eliminate my soil grow makes for some extra space in the corner.

I'm concerned about evaporation of my reservoirs now. Is this going to be a big problem?

I guess there is only one way to find out.


As for what I actually have.

Gray mold causes problems indoors and outdoors, particularly where humidity levels are above 50%, with poor aeration of plant tops. Downy mildew is almost as prevalent as gray mold, although it causes less damage and is harder to detect. It originally appears as faint whitish or yellowish spots on leaf tops, with corresponding bumps on the undersides of leaves. Leaves curl up and mutate as the mildew takes hold.

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Heres those yellow spots.

This stuff looks alot like rot. In person at least.

So far its only been the fattest, densest buds affected. And trust me when I say I've handled every plant in my op today, looking for baddies.

Thank you all so much for all the info and advice. Please keep it coming.

If I neglected to answer any questions I'm sorry, I'm a little bit panicky right now. And this haze isn't helping matters much. I'm gonna need to smoke some rhino just to calm down.

GypsyBush said:

could you give us a run down of your air movers and sauces??

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I think I covered the air movers in my last reply. As for the sauces.

Holland secret 3 part hydro nutes.
Nutrilife Cal-max
nutrilife PH down

35% H202 @ 20ml per reservoir every three days. Reservoirs are filled with 17 gallons of water.

I change the reservoirs weekly. Bi-weekly if i'm really busy, or really lazy.

I only top off with water if i'm not changing the water that week.

well it seems like you have found your problem...

I certainly learned a lot...

Cool Spruce.

80% RH + Big Fat Buds = problems.
Dehumidifier = possible solution.

I don't think it will affect your resi's too much. They are covered aren't they?
At the very least I'd rather be topping them up, than throwing out ruined buds

Let's see what sort of difference that dehumidifier makes.
Good work mate.

GypsyBush said:

well it seems like you have found your problem...

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It would appear so.
Thats what I get for being an idiot. Staring day in and day out at the hygrometer, sitting there, right next to the intake, reading 50% humidity 20c, smiling to myself and thinking "Looking good!" All the while my poor plants are over there across the room where it is practically raining.

I certainly learned a lot...

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Me too!!! I can't thank everyone enough for stepping up when a brother is in need and being so helpfull.
I'm really hoping to learn that a dehumidifier in the growroom will solve all my problems.

funny, they say your first gut feeling is pretty much always right...


show ya right huh?

We're already down to a somewhat more respectable 62% humidity.



I used to love all the fancy colours the White Rhino would give me late in flowering. Now those splotches of purple all look like rot in my paranoid eyes.

This bud is cool though. for now.
DUN DUN DUN!!!!!!!!

I'm going to start growing more of the church I think. Not only is it my favorite "name brand" smoke, it is touted as mould resistant. May as well.

It's a bit overkill.. but I found just the thing... ...

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Lol. Gypsy, you crack me up.

As badass as that thing is, I'll have to settle for my 30 year old piece of shit until I hit the lotto.

It has already pulled 3 gallons of water out of the air.

And got the RH down to a somewhat more respectable 55%. At the expense of a couple degrees.

The plants are looking pretty happy.


Here it is, the last of the soil plants to come out of my veg room. Arjan's ultra haze #1. As a matter of fact, this is the last plant of this strain I'm going to be growing. I'm trying to get the perpetual sog going and it's just not very accomidating to the 15 week flowering time.

Some shots of the WRs coming down sometime in the next week.







And one bonus shot of a frosty SZ at 5 weeks.

whoops, here it is.

Sweeeeeet!!!!

looks awesome!.. as usual...

Hey Spruce, I'm so glad you got it sorted.
Shit! 3 gallons out of the air! That ol' sucker works well!
55% is respectable, 45% would be better but your meter puts you in the green

It would be good for you too have a meter that records the dark cycle RH.
I'm sure it could really spike at night, with your set up, and something you still need to keep an eye on.
Run ol' bessy 24/7 if you can.

Your buds are with the best around RIU and things are lookin sweet as

Keep up the good work.

You can attach a waste pump to the dehumidifier so you don't have to empty that bucket. I've seen people use that water in their reservoir as well it has a very low PPM and usually pretty close to neutral Ph.

Glad the problem has been solved.

NewGrowth said:

You can attach a waste pump to the dehumidifier so you don't have to empty that bucket.

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At this point Im alright with the arrangement. Talk to me in 3 weeks when i'm sick of dumping the bucket everyday.

I've seen people use that water in their reservoir as well it has a very low PPM and usually pretty close to neutral Ph.

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I actually just tested the water on a whim. <100ppm and 6.2 PH. I wouldn't feel that uncomfortable topping off my reservoirs with that. Waste not want not and all.

Glad the problem has been solved.

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Thanks alot! The growroom is alot happier now that the humidity is somewhat in check.
The Rhinos are probably coming down Saturday. I'll post plenty of pictures.

Mammath said:

Hey Spruce, I'm so glad you got it sorted.
Shit! 3 gallons out of the air! That ol' sucker works well!
55% is respectable, 45% would be better but your meter puts you in the green

It would be good for you too have a meter that records the dark cycle RH.
I'm sure it could really spike at night, with your set up, and something you still need to keep an eye on.
Run ol' bessy 24/7 if you can.

Your buds are with the best around RIU and things are lookin sweet as


Keep up the good work.

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I have one of those min/max meters on the way as we speak.
I appreciate your concern and your praise.
Thanks alot.