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Someacdude

Someacdude

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Im sorry i was trying to help you understand.

I can and will use the Bible to answer all of your questions. Sometimes people get offended or accuse a person of being a religious nut if they quoute so i was just trying to make sure we where on the same footing.
Scripture proves scripture. Let ,me get my work done, i also have a evolution thread i have to get back to, but i think it may be better to use the Bible instead of just trying to explain.
My apologies but most people involved in any kind of religion never study and even at church they rarely look things uo and honestly, the Bible isnt used there , just like you said.


NietzscheKeen said:
So, I offer science and reason and you dismiss it. I offer proof from WITHIN the Bible and you still dismiss it. You know, back when I was working with the church there was one thing ahead of all others that bothered me and you are illustrating it very well. Most of the theology modern christians have does not come from scripture. You would think that if God sent a book down to earth for us to read and know him... you'd think Christians would at least know what was in it. Yet even when I list verses that are contrary to what you believe to be true you refuse to even listen to the BIBLE. Obviously, you don't want to hear anything that anyone has to say even if it comes from your God.

Why don't you go start a fellowship church or whatever they are called. They don't require the preacher have any credentials and aren't affiliated with any conference or organization so there is no set theology or doctrine which means you can change it as you see fit or you can do like most of the preachers at those churches and just do feel good devotionals instead of a teaching doctrine or scripture.

And I've read the book several times all the way through (I believe I tried to establish credibility by mentioning that I studied for years in preparation for seminary), but that's not the way one should read it. You should begin with the three synoptic gospels and read them side by side.
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Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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eye exaggerate said:
Could you explain? "How the world worked" and "mystic" and "had no idea" don't quite fit for me. It is likely that all of the advances we have were born of mystics and their 'crazy' imaginations.

*also, why is the scientific method the only 'acceptable' form of self-correcting systems?
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"Likely all of the advances we have were born from mystics..."

We got our advances from the age of reason, and the scientific method. No amount of 'rain dances' are going to give us meteorology and climatology. No amount of exorcisms are going to give us a glimpse at mental health.

People in the bible believed in necromancy, demons, evil spirits, witches, etc.

They were, incredibly ignorant people.
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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Someacdude said:
Im sorry i was trying to help you understand.

I can and will use the Bible to answer all of your questions. Sometimes people get offended or accuse a person of being a religious nut if they quoute so i was just trying to make sure we where on the same footing.
Scripture proves scripture. Let ,me get my work done, i also have a evolution thread i have to get back to, but i think it may be better to use the Bible instead of just trying to explain.
My apologies but most people involved in any kind of religion never study and even at church they rarely look things uo and honestly, the Bible isnt used there , just like you said.
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You can't use the bible to prove the bible, that's called a circular argument.

Person 1; The bible is the word of god.
Person 2; How do you know that?
Person 1; It says so in the bible.
Person 2; Why believe the bible?
Person 1; Because it's infallible.
Person 2; How do you know the bible is the infallible?
Person 1; Because the bible is the word of god.
Person 2; How do you know that?
Person 1; It says so in the bible.
Person 2; Why believe the bible?
Person 1; Because it's infallible.
Person 2; How do you know the bible is the infallible?
Person 1; Because the bible is the word of god.
Person 2; How do you know that?
Person 1; It says so in the bible.
Person 2; Why believe the bible?
Person 1; Because it's infallible.
Person 2; How do you know the bible is the infallible?
Person 1; Because the bible is the word of god.
Person 2; How do you know that?
Person 1; It says so in the bible.
Person 2; Why believe the bible?
Person 1; Because it's infallible.
Person 2; How do you know the bible is the infallible?
Person 1; Because the bible is the word of god.
Person 2; How do you know that?
Person 1; It says so in the bible.
Person 2; Why believe the bible?
Person 1; Because it's infallible.
Person 2; How do you know the bible is the infallible?
Person 1; Because the bible is the word of god.
Person 2; How do you know that?
Person 1; It says so in the bible.
Person 2; Why believe the bible?
Person 1; Because it's infallible.
Person 2; How do you know the bible is the infallible?
Person 1; Because the bible is the word of god.
Person 2; How do you know that?
Person 1; It says so in the bible.
Person 2; Why believe the bible?
Person 1; Because it's infallible.
Person 2; How do you know the bible is the infallible?
Person 1; Because the bible is the word of god.


Forever and ever and ever and ever and ever....


LOGIC FAIL.
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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Skuxx said:
Most of the similarities between the horus/jesus stories have been debunked. There are similarities though don't get me wrong.
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Someacdude said:
Horus & Osiris a proven myth , one that even many scholars dont put faith in quote , Scholars have tried to discern the exact nature of the events that gave rise to the story, but they have reached no definitive conclusions. Parts of the myth appear in a wide variety of Egyptian texts, from funerary texts and magical spells to short stories. The story is, therefore, more detailed and more cohesive than any other ancient Egyptian myth. Yet no Egyptian source gives a full account of the myth, and the sources vary widely in their versions of events. Greek and Roman writings, particularly De Iside et Osiride by Plutarch, provide more information but may not always accurately reflect Egyptian beliefs. Through these writings, the Osiris myth persisted after knowledge of most ancient Egyptian beliefs was lost, and it is still well known today.
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Thank you, gentlemen, for correcting me on this issue! I've done some research and see that I have jumped the gun on believing this one. Although there are some similarities, it is by no means a blow by blow retelling as I stated. That's what I get for believing everything I saw in Religulous :) I apparently took Gerald Massey's view without proper research, and no experts seemed to take this guy seriously. I am a little relieved to learn this, and has restored a little of my faith in humanity. For, if Massey were correct about all the similarities, christians would be much bigger fools in my mind. Thanks again for the correction, and carry on with your interesting discussion...
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Beefbisquit said:
"Likely all of the advances we have were born from mystics..."

We got our advances from the age of reason, and the scientific method. No amount of 'rain dances' are going to give us meteorology and climatology. No amount of exorcisms are going to give us a glimpse at mental health.

People in the bible believed in necromancy, demons, evil spirits, witches, etc.

They were, incredibly ignorant people.
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So what is an actual rain dance? What psychological effects does a medicine man or woman gain from whirling about in ecstasy? Before meteorology and climatology there were people dancing for rain. That evolved into a demonstrable method but it was born in the minds and 'superstitions' of past cultures.

Why would someone like Einstein or Jung say that the most elegant is the most simple? How many discoveries that actually benefited people were accidental discoveries? Well, I have a job to do now. Gotta research how many discoveries were accidental and how many were tasked!

*incredibly ignorant people still made discoveries otherwise evolution would be nulled. Sht, something from something ;)
 
NietzscheKeen

NietzscheKeen

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I believed it too because some reputable people repeated it as well. I guess that's the fallacy behind the argument from authority.
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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eye exaggerate said:
So what is an actual rain dance?
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A 'rain dance' is a dance performed by Native Americans in an effort to convince the spirits to make it rain.

What psychological effects does a medicine man or woman gain from whirling about in ecstasy?
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That is irrelevant. The only thing that matters in this case, is if the action of doing the dance causes the rain. Which it does not. I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

Before meteorology and climatology there were people dancing for rain. That evolved into a demonstrable method but it was born in the minds and 'superstitions' of past cultures.
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I don't agree, at all. Mysticism didn't evolve into science. They are virtually diametrically opposed.

Why would someone like Einstein or Jung say that the most elegant is the most simple? How many discoveries that actually benefited people were accidental discoveries? Well, I have a job to do now. Gotta research how many discoveries were accidental and how many were tasked!

*incredibly ignorant people still made discoveries otherwise evolution would be nulled. Sht, something from something ;)
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I'm not saying accidental discoveries don't benefit people or that people who were 'mystics' didn't, by chance, make some discoveries. I'm saying that mystic activities don't have a direct path to those discoveries.
 
midgetaus

midgetaus

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eye exaggerate said:
So what is an actual rain dance? What psychological effects does a medicine man or woman gain from whirling about in ecstasy? Before meteorology and climatology there were people dancing for rain. That evolved into a demonstrable method but it was born in the minds and 'superstitions' of past cultures.

Why would someone like Einstein or Jung say that the most elegant is the most simple? How many discoveries that actually benefited people were accidental discoveries? Well, I have a job to do now. Gotta research how many discoveries were accidental and how many were tasked!

*incredibly ignorant people still made discoveries otherwise evolution would be nulled. Sht, something from something ;)
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Evolution has nothing to do with "discoveries" and therefore would continue at its rate of necessity...
 
Nevaeh420

Nevaeh420

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Beefbisquit said:
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That seems accurate:

But I would imagine the notion of a Higher Power and a Savior, is ubiquitous throughout all the cosmos.

The aliens might believe in a Higher Power too (if they are "spiritual" and anything like humans). The aliens may even have their own Savior or Messiah, if they are anything like humans and are "spiritual".

The concept of a Higher Power and a Savior could be a ubiquitous notion throughout all of the different alien races; a Leader that has higher powers that the aliens "admire".

Its possible and maybe probable.

~PEACE~
 
midgetaus

midgetaus

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Nevaeh420 said:
That seems accurate:

But I would imagine the notion of a Higher Power and a Savior, is ubiquitous throughout all the cosmos.

The aliens might believe in a Higher Power too (if they are "spiritual" and anything like humans). The aliens may even have their own Savior or Messiah, if they are anything like humans and are "spiritual".

The concept of a Higher Power and a Savior could be a ubiquitous notion throughout all of the different alien races; a Leader that has higher powers that the aliens "admire".

Its possible and maybe probable.

~PEACE~
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so many oxymorons in this post.... not just the author
 
midgetaus

midgetaus

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eye exaggerate said:
If people weren't around to evolve along with the bigger picture what would be the point of human evolution? o_O
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*incredibly ignorant people still made discoveries otherwise evolution would be nulled

This was the comment I was referring to... so we can summise that evolution would be stagnant without discoveries even by the most very ignorant people on earth........Evoltion would continue without these "discoveries"..

Im not sure how I could put it any more simply for you... "Discoveries" and "evolution"are not mutually exclusive


What you mean by the bigger picture I have no idea.. if you are some how referring to religion being the bigger picture this conversation will cease to "evolve"...
 
kpmarine

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NietzscheKeen said:
I believed it too because some reputable people repeated it as well. I guess that's the fallacy behind the argument from authority.
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Was this the same authority that told you that whites were superior? You don't get a free pass fo that shit. Anyone can fuck up, but one who doesn't acknowledge it is a shitbag.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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midgetaus said:
*incredibly ignorant people still made discoveries otherwise evolution would be nulled

This was the comment I was referring to... so we can summise that evolution would be stagnant without discoveries even by the most very ignorant people on earth........Evoltion would continue without these "discoveries"..

Im not sure how I could put it any more simply for you... "Discoveries" and "evolution"are not mutually exclusive


What you mean by the bigger picture I have no idea.. if you are some how referring to religion being the bigger picture this conversation will cease to "evolve"...
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My word...

Man is the agent of change for the evolution of man. Man will either adapt or not.

Did a fckn squirrel discover electricity?

 
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