Your Grandpa's Weed or is UV supplementation really needed?

MichiganMedGrower

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fk me..can we get back to Grandpa's Weed. I dont give a flying fk about the drama ur creating Michigan. Its not your thread, I dont care what your customer says either. Old salesman motto- Buyers are lairs.

Im liking the ideas and want to hear new (and old) ideas.
It was a medical patient sent to him. No money involved. And it is a public forum. So go ahead and rant. I am answering a stack of comments from this thread. It's not actually the other way around. Anyone would be upset if their trust and privacy was violated the way @RM3 has mine.
 

Dr.Nick Riviera

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Why does agromax make a horticulture bulb with only uva? Why is it when I use that bulb the weed is better?
this is from an email i got for a led light
copied and pasted

Which is Better: UVA or UVB?
Ultraviolet light is split into 3 categories based on wavelength:

  • Ultraviolet A (UVA) is from 320-400nm and comprises about 3% of the photons in natural sunlight that make it through Earth's atmosphere. UVA light does not damage DNA.
  • Ultraviolet B (UVB) is from 290-320nm and makes up less than 0.15% -- less than 1/5th of 1% -- of total natural sunlight. UVB light is energetic enough to cause damage to DNA, including inducing cancer in animals. Luckily for us, the Earth's ozone layer blocks almost all of the sun's UVB light.
  • Ultraviolet C (UVC) is from 100-290nm and is almost completely filtered out by Earth's atmosphere, so is not a component of natural sunlight. UVC light is energetic enough that it is used for sterilization purposes-- it kills living cells.
Plants respond to exposure to both UVA and UVB light; different plants respond in different ways, but in general studies have shown increased production of antioxidants / flavonoids and other natural sunscreen compounds in a process called photomorphogenesis.

In Cannabis plants, exposure to UVA and/or UVB light increases production of THC and CBD. There is some confusion caused by a 1987 study by John Lydon, Alan Teramura and C. Benjamin Coffman titled "UV-B Radiation Effects on Photosynthesis, Growth and Cannabinoid Production of two Cannabis sativa Chemotypes". The study grew Cannabis plants and exposed some to UVB light and others to no UV light at all, finding increased THC concentrations for the plants exposed to UVB compared to the plants not exposed to UV at all.

Some people have interpreted this to mean that only UVB light increases the production of THC in Cannabis plants, but this study does not demonstrate that. First, the study was not designed to test exposing Cannabis plants to UVA light- only UVB or no UV at all, so nothing can be concluded from the study about whether UVA affects THC production in Cannabis. Secondly, the study's setup was flawed and really only tested whether exposing Cannabis plants to both UVB and UVA increased THC production compared to no UV light at all, because the cellulose acetate filter they used in an effort to eliminate UVA light from their broad-spectrum UV source was later shown by a different study to allow UVA light to pass through. So the original study only showed that exposure to both UVA and UVB light increased THC production compared to no UV, but not whether UVA or UVB (or the combination) was responsible.

From our own research grows, Black Dog LED has demonstrated that UVA light alone can increase THC and CBD production in Cannabis plants. The combination of UVA and UVB light (from a standard "reptile bulb" fluorescent light) also increases THC and CBD production, but the inclusion of UVB in the light has noticeable detrimental effects on plant growth compared to only UVA.

This is why we've engineered the Black Dog LED Phyto-Genesis Spectrum™ to only include UVA light, without any UVB wavelengths. The UVA still increases production of secondary metabolites such as THC, CBD, terpenes and flavonoids but without the negative effects of UVB light.

Are You Being Lied To?
There are a couple well known brands of LED grow lights that claim to have UV in their spectrum, but when their lights are tested under a spectrometer, it is readily apparent that they in fact do not have UV. Are you sure that the brands you offer your customers are living up to their claims?

Black Dog LED grow lights use the most highest quality and most efficient UVA diodes available. Have a spectrometer? Plug in one of our lights and see for yourself. Alternatively, feel free to stop by our office and we'll let you test our light or any other brand under our state-of-the-art spectrometer.
 

Dr.Nick Riviera

Well-Known Member
It was a medical patient sent to him. No money involved. And it is a public forum. So go ahead and rant. I am answering a stack of comments from this thread. It's not actually the other way around. Anyone would be upset if their trust and privacy was violated the way @RM3 has mine.
sounds to me like it was more of a fact that you wanted his whole dick and he just gave you the head and now you're angry.
 

NewI

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Why dont you start a thread and call out rm3, and others if you want eyes, I wanna learn UVB shit.
Can't find localy any fucking thing. @360nm is ok? I saw a t5 for bugs. To attract them?
 

Odin*

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Why does agromax make a horticulture bulb with only uva? Why is it when I use that bulb the weed is better?
The short answer, because people will buy it.

Seriously though, the UVA probably does help with developing other cannabiniods/flavonoids/terpenes/etc. I have not seen a study that suggests UVA increases delta-9 THC.

Going back to where I started, early trich's are a genetic trait, not the result of exposure to UVA or UVB.



this is from an email i got for a led light
copied and pasted

Which is Better: UVA or UVB?
Ultraviolet light is split into 3 categories based on wavelength:

  • Ultraviolet A (UVA) is from 320-400nm and comprises about 3% of the photons in natural sunlight that make it through Earth's atmosphere. UVA light does not damage DNA.
  • Ultraviolet B (UVB) is from 290-320nm and makes up less than 0.15% -- less than 1/5th of 1% -- of total natural sunlight. UVB light is energetic enough to cause damage to DNA, including inducing cancer in animals. Luckily for us, the Earth's ozone layer blocks almost all of the sun's UVB light.
  • Ultraviolet C (UVC) is from 100-290nm and is almost completely filtered out by Earth's atmosphere, so is not a component of natural sunlight. UVC light is energetic enough that it is used for sterilization purposes-- it kills living cells.
Plants respond to exposure to both UVA and UVB light; different plants respond in different ways, but in general studies have shown increased production of antioxidants / flavonoids and other natural sunscreen compounds in a process called photomorphogenesis.

In Cannabis plants, exposure to UVA and/or UVB light increases production of THC and CBD. There is some confusion caused by a 1987 study by John Lydon, Alan Teramura and C. Benjamin Coffman titled "UV-B Radiation Effects on Photosynthesis, Growth and Cannabinoid Production of two Cannabis sativa Chemotypes". The study grew Cannabis plants and exposed some to UVB light and others to no UV light at all, finding increased THC concentrations for the plants exposed to UVB compared to the plants not exposed to UV at all.

Some people have interpreted this to mean that only UVB light increases the production of THC in Cannabis plants, but this study does not demonstrate that. First, the study was not designed to test exposing Cannabis plants to UVA light- only UVB or no UV at all, so nothing can be concluded from the study about whether UVA affects THC production in Cannabis. Secondly, the study's setup was flawed and really only tested whether exposing Cannabis plants to both UVB and UVA increased THC production compared to no UV light at all, because the cellulose acetate filter they used in an effort to eliminate UVA light from their broad-spectrum UV source was later shown by a different study to allow UVA light to pass through. So the original study only showed that exposure to both UVA and UVB light increased THC production compared to no UV, but not whether UVA or UVB (or the combination) was responsible.

From our own research grows, Black Dog LED has demonstrated that UVA light alone can increase THC and CBD production in Cannabis plants. The combination of UVA and UVB light (from a standard "reptile bulb" fluorescent light) also increases THC and CBD production, but the inclusion of UVB in the light has noticeable detrimental effects on plant growth compared to only UVA.

This is why we've engineered the Black Dog LED Phyto-Genesis Spectrum™ to only include UVA light, without any UVB wavelengths. The UVA still increases production of secondary metabolites such as THC, CBD, terpenes and flavonoids but without the negative effects of UVB light.

Are You Being Lied To?
There are a couple well known brands of LED grow lights that claim to have UV in their spectrum, but when their lights are tested under a spectrometer, it is readily apparent that they in fact do not have UV. Are you sure that the brands you offer your customers are living up to their claims?

Black Dog LED grow lights use the most highest quality and most efficient UVA diodes available. Have a spectrometer? Plug in one of our lights and see for yourself. Alternatively, feel free to stop by our office and we'll let you test our light or any other brand under our state-of-the-art spectrometer.

Not credible. Sounds like it at first, until "From our own research..." followed by the sales pitch. I have not read an article that concluded UVA exposure increased THC. If one existed, or if their "research team" had conducted such an "experiment", he would have offered that information/link.
 

NewI

Well-Known Member
Platinum? Don't think so... The guy that stated that white leds are useless for growing and then he went and implemented white diodes on the fixtures? Nahh
 

Dr.Nick Riviera

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The short answer, because people will buy it.

Seriously though, the UVA probably does help with developing other cannabiniods/flavonoids/terpenes/etc. I have not seen a study that suggests UVA increases delta-9 THC.

Going back to where I started, early trich's are a genetic trait, not the result of exposure to UVA or UVB.






Not credible. Sounds like it at first, until "From our own research..." followed by the sales pitch. I have not read an article that concluded UVA exposure increased THC. If one existed, or if their "research team" had conducted such an "experiment", he would have offered that information/link.
I said it was from an e mail and that I cut and pasted it, I never said it was gospel.
 

whitebb2727

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The short answer, because people will buy it.

Seriously though, the UVA probably does help with developing other cannabiniods/flavonoids/terpenes/etc. I have not seen a study that suggests UVA increases delta-9 THC.

Going back to where I started, early trich's are a genetic trait, not the result of exposure to UVA or UVB.






Not credible. Sounds like it at first, until "From our own research..." followed by the sales pitch. I have not read an article that concluded UVA exposure increased THC. If one existed, or if their "research team" had conducted such an "experiment", he would have offered that information/link.
Don't buy it. Make the bulb just because.

I have no proof but in my opinion uva increases potency.
 

Chunky Stool

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Black Dog advertising is no doubt the most accurate and insightful source of information about lighting I have ever read. None have demonstrated commitment to truth and objectivity like Black Dog. Maybe Platinum and Amare!
Marketing materials are always suspicious.
 

Chunky Stool

Well-Known Member
This is a great discussion!
I use lizard lights, but gotta be careful around them. Just being around my plants gives me a farmers tan! Eye protection is essential. One of my bulbs is a different brand than the others, and I can tell it has more UVA just by looking at it (with shades, of course). I thought this was a bad thing & was going to swap it out, but maybe it's contributing to a more balanced spectrum???
Dunno.
 
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