Your Grandpa's Weed or is UV supplementation really needed?

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I am not on or prescribed any meds. And my personal quarrel with my brother is obviously not for you to advertise here. I said apology you egocentric control freak. And none of your condescending comments are shown or even mentioned. Only your version. And it was a private message you are cherry picking out of. A message sent in trust of privacy.

But you made my point again. You can't be trusted.

And you told me my methods and medium could not yield great pot like yours almost every discussion. As if it is a fact. Problem is the person I know who tried your personal stash doesn't feel it had any of the qualities you are claiming from your methods. And would choose mine even though I sent him to you. I vouched for you and your meds even though I had not tried them or met you.

And we are testing further even though you wouldn't return the patients emails after he gave you an unfavorable report just to be sure. But we expect the same result from any high tolerance smoker.

The patient thinks the problem is you are a lightweight smoker.

I was leaving your site because there is no "better" genetics or grow info there. It is not an elite growers site like you advertise it is just a friendly forum. Your "books" are contrived. Not proof or results of anything. And they are not books. They are just more of your threads.

Thanks for showing your true colors by insulting me further rather than giving a sincere apology.

I have not seen my friend there in years. He was referred to you with the highest expectations. His reports were not coached. I had not even talked to him on the phone and had a real conversation til the other day.

Apparently. Rid grows and breeds Mids.

they tend to have good flavor and a clear high.

RM3 said:

I have never, nor will I ever use an HPS light

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In my case, it's 'never again'.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I am not on or prescribed any meds. And my personal quarrel with my brother is obviously not for you to advertise here. I said apology you egocentric control freak. And none of your condescending comments are shown or even mentioned. Only your version. And it was a private message you are cherry picking out of. A message sent in trust of privacy.

But you made my point again. You can't be trusted.

And you told me my methods and medium could not yield great pot like yours almost every discussion. As if it is a fact. Problem is the person I know who tried your personal stash doesn't feel it had any of the qualities you are claiming from your methods. And would choose mine even though I sent him to you. I vouched for you and your meds even though I had not tried them or met you.

And we are testing further even though you wouldn't return the patients emails after he gave you an unfavorable report just to be sure. But we expect the same result from any high tolerance smoker.

The patient thinks the problem is you are a lightweight smoker.

I was leaving your site because there is no "better" genetics or grow info there. It is not an elite growers site like you advertise it is just a friendly forum. Your "books" are contrived. Not proof or results of anything. And they are not books. They are just more of your threads.

Thanks for showing your true colors by insulting me further rather than giving a sincere apology.

I have not seen my friend there in years. He was referred to you with the highest expectations. His reports were not coached. I had not even talked to him on the phone and had a real conversation til the other day.

Apparently. Rid grows and breeds Mids.

they tend to have good flavor and a clear high.

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No, Thank You for bringin your brand of crazy to RIU for all to see

I did not mention your brother, you did, I said family with zero details

and I already quoted the email I was sent by your friend, if my weed is so bad why did he say he would get more next time he visited his mum?

You live in a bubble, all I did was try and burst it for ya

You can see in the pic I posted the thread goes for 6 pages, there were actually members that posted I should post the crazy pm over here for all to see. In all 6 pages there was not one post that agreed with you. Joe did verify what I posted and shared a few things from the pm that you had said about me.

You say I violated your trust by invitin Joe to the pm, I say I covered my ass from your brand of crazy and allowed Joe to better understand things after the pages of conversation you had with him ending with your desire to leave the site

The folks at RIU are not fools, I hope you decide to drop this 3rd grade playground behavior but hey I tried and failed in the pm so not expectin anything different here

I truly wish ya the best, but I'm done with this

RM3 said:

No, Thank You for bringin your brand of crazy to RIU for all to see

I did not mention your brother, you did, I said family with zero details

and I already quoted the email I was sent by your friend, if my weed is so bad why did he say he would get more next time he visited his mum?

You live in a bubble, all I did was try and burst it for ya

You can see in the pic I posted the thread goes for 6 pages, there were actually members that posted I should post the crazy pm over here for all to see. In all 6 pages there was not one post that agreed with you. Joe did verify what I posted and shared a few things from the pm that you had said about me.

You say I violated your trust by invitin Joe to the pm, I say I covered my ass from your brand of crazy and allowed Joe to better understand things after the pages of conversation you had with him ending with your desire to leave the site

The folks at RIU are not fools, I hope you decide to drop this 3rd grade playground behavior but hey I tried and failed in the pm so not expectin anything different here

I truly wish ya the best, but I'm done with this

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I mentioned my brother because I am honest. Sometimes unfortunately to a fault.

You are not. And you managed to never once answer a direct question that the answer might disagree with you and never read one link I sent here or on your site. Or the links in your own threads shown by your insistence to add to proven things because you think more is better like a newbie.

And my friend as I already explained even here was willing to try again because of garden gnomes report on tinnitus and in respect to you for being so generous and to me for stupidly vouching for you.

If you were going to answer honestly to my message rather than contrive a response based on manipulation and agendas it would not have taken 3 days.

And you still leave out the condescending part you wrote that would make anyone mad.

It doesn't matter if you think you are done. You live to post in public. I live to read and learn. You are in my space and everyone here's space too. All the info and everyone's opinions count. I don't think the members here are fools I think you are. All sides to any discussion should be explored. Not just yours. And you have to credit the original author when you post an article. Not let it read like you wrote it. Like about the UV a few pages back. You even took a compliment from someone as if you wrote it. And the links would be good for everyone as you cherry pick the parts you like.

You call anyone who disagrees with you haters.

And to clarify my condition. I have an anxiety issue caused by being ill from several conditions since I was born very prematurely. No meds have been prescribed and I had a bad year. I'm pissed about some stuff but it has nothing to do with seeing right through you.

Sorry disagreeing with you and being able to grow a great plant consistently with "conventional" methods in horrible Ocean Forest with evil bottled nutes makes you so upset.

RM3 said:

Been sayin this for years, tis deep blue that grows trics, UV increases potency

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hillbill said:

My pot's too strong and I'm afraid of my hash! So I very well could be over associating potency with trich production without accounting for variables within each trich. That seems interesting.

I may have to get a couple lizard lights. How close do these have to be and coverage?

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You'll be glad you did! Keep them about 10-12" from your plants & you'll be fine. I've got a clip light in each corner and a bulb dangling down in the middle. Makes a HUGE difference.

ttystikk said:

You do know most aquarium bulbs have UV, right?

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Why the condescending tone?


You do know that UVA does not increase delta-9 THC and you do know that this bulb does not emit any UVB (or any UVA, for that matter)?

Also, you do know that I've "incubated" all of my seeds under this very same light and you do know that only the GSC dominant Sour Sunset's expressed early trich's?


My very short list of bean pops;

DGOG- La Plata
Ken's Kush- GDP
Danny OG- Head in the Clouds
Blue Suede Ribbon- Exotic Genetix
C99xHerijuana- Mota Rebel
Ghostrider OG- Karma
Sour Power OG- Karma
Tres Stardawg 2.0- Topdawg
Sour Sunset- DNA/Crocket
Animal Cookies bagseed
A few beans from my own




The expression of early trich's is not due to the lights, it's genetic. Some of the GSC dominant SS's were under another light, no "overlap", same early trich's. No other strain or it's varying phenos has done that under either light.

If early trich's were expressed due to lighting, then all "sprouts" under that particular light would/should have early trich's. That just isn't the case.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Sorry disagreeing with you and being able to grow a great plant consistently with "conventional" methods in horrible Ocean Forest with evil bottled nutes makes you so upset.

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I think we are just talking about preferences. I do not recall RM3 ever criticising people for using soil or bottled nutes. He may mention that he thinks there's a better way, but it's just his opinion. Personally, I like FFOF a lot -- especially since I've found a source that is affordable ($13 for the big bag). Again, that's just an opinion too but it's based on personal experience. I also like ProMix, coco, and custom soil mixes. I don't understand why people argue about this shit.
Reminds me of Ford vs Chevy debates...

Wow. I wanted to stay out of this, but fuck that.
As one who has actually smoked @RM3's cannabis, I can say that the above is not honest. I had never been so high, and I smoke alot of pot. Why must one act so aggressive? From the point of view of those of us who saw the whole thing unfold, the negativity came about when people called out all the questioning and negativity, without willingness to ditch the bro science for real science. Some people can't handle being told they're wrong.
Kind of like how a child acts when they're embarrassed for being wrong - they throw tantrums and will not admit they're wrong EVER.
You can take it or leave it. To discard something that has been proven time and again - because of pride, is foolish.
I know my bud is better because of the knowledge shared by Rid. It's not your loss if someone chooses to be ignorant, it's on them.

Chunky Stool said:

I think we are just talking about preferences. I do not recall RM3 ever criticising people for using soil or bottled nutes. He may mention that he thinks there's a better way, but it's just his opinion. Personally, I like FFOF a lot -- especially since I've found a source that is affordable ($13 for the big bag). Again, that's just an opinion too but it's based on personal experience. I also like ProMix, coco, and custom soil mixes. I don't understand why people argue about this shit.
Reminds me of Ford vs Chevy debates...

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Me too. I was never arguing about any methods. Just posting mine. But he seems to act differently with me and really never stopped telling me my methods were inferior.

And his protege on his site tried to do it for quite a while too. They also tried hard to undermine my hard learned knowledge by constantly mis representing my comments to try to defend their own methods.

I don't care how we grow. All kinds of methods can work well. As long as everything is in balance for the plant.

GardenGnome83 said:

Wow. I wanted to stay out of this, but fuck that.
As one who has actually smoked @RM3's cannabis, I can say that the above is not honest. I had never been so high, and I smoke alot of pot. Why must one act so aggressive? From the point of view of those of us who saw the whole thing unfold, the negativity came about when people called out all the questioning and negativity, without willingness to ditch the bro science for real science. Some people can't handle being told they're wrong.
Kind of like how a child acts when they're embarrassed for being wrong - they throw tantrums and will not admit they're wrong EVER.
You can take it or leave it. To discard something that has been proven time and again - because of pride, is foolish.
I know my bud is better because of the knowledge shared by Rid. It's not your loss if someone chooses to be ignorant, it's on them.

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The person who reported to me smoked 5 of his strains from his stash and tried the joints in 3 sessions each. He said it was nice heady weed and he stayed high for a few hours. But that's it. No trippiness and no revelations. He smokes good weed all the time though. But he said it was good. Just not as advertised.

Which part is not honest?

And who is choosing to be ignorant by not listening to rm3.

Maybe something was missing or out of balance in your grow and you realized how to fix it. And now it's better. That is your accomplishment. Not someone else's.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Me too. I was never arguing about any methods. Just posting mine. But he seems to act differently with me and really never stopped telling me my methods were inferior.

And his protege on his site tried to do it for quite a while too. They also tried hard to undermine my hard learned knowledge by constantly mis representing my comments to try to defend their own methods.

I don't care how we grow. All kinds of methods can work well. As long as everything is in balance for the plant.

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Not once, not ever did I do this, Dude it's documented, with lots of witnesses. The only thing I tried to do was get you to open your mind and hell dude even said those exact words several times.

MichiganMedGrower said:

The person who reported to me smoked 5 of his strains from his stash and tried the joints in 3 sessions each. He said it was nice heady weed and he stayed high for a few hours. But that's it. No trippiness and no revelations. He smokes good weed all the time though. But he said it was good. Just not as advertised.

Which part is not honest?

And who is choosing to be ignorant by not listening to rm3.

Maybe something was missing or out of balance in your grow and you realized how to fix it. And now it's better. That is your accomplishment. Not someone else's.

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Yeah and only took 2 hits at a time. I can copy that part of his email if needed Hell we even talked about the idea that perhaps he should try smokin more to see if it helped?

So your friend takes 2 hits, gets a good clear headed high that last several hours and I breed mids LMAO at your obvious delusions

MichiganMedGrower said:

The person who reported to me smoked 5 of his strains from his stash and tried the joints in 3 sessions each. He said it was nice heady weed and he stayed high for a few hours. But that's it. No trippiness and no revelations. He smokes good weed all the time though. But he said it was good. Just not as advertised.

Which part is not honest?

And who is choosing to be ignorant by not listening to rm3.

Maybe something was missing or out of balance in your grow and you realized how to fix it. And now it's better. That is your accomplishment. Not someone else's.

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My bud was good before I started discarding the "hard learned" bro science, it got better. Hell, Rid smoked a j I grew before I implemented any of his practices, and it worked on him, so...
I've added to my regimen little things. Little things that you argued about til you left the forum. I doubted it all too, that is healthy and wise. But I chose to find out through research and experience if it works.
Maybe rid doesn't have time for the arguments anymore? He's done it over and over. It's tiring. If you have not done it yourself, why knock it because it goes against decades of faulty "bro-science"? Why not use that intelligence to see if you can get better buds, instead of discounting it because convention says otherwise?
Sure, we all grow differently. But conventional "wisdom" is usually a bunch of crap, in the case of cannabis. I wish you peace, friend.

RM3 said:

Yeah and only took 2 hits at a time. I can copy that part of his email if needed Hell we even talked about the idea that perhaps he should try smokin more to see if it helped?

So your friend takes 2 hits, gets a good clear headed high that last several hours and I breed mids LMAO at your obvious delusions

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I was thinking the same thing! It's said on my thread for fucks sake!

Does Ati Actinic have enough enough uvb?

NewI said:

Does Ati Actinic have enough enough uvb?

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No, it has none, they are a UVA bulb

I use DE and have been killing it with them, i just finished my first run using a de MH 10000k the last 2 weeks. I can honestly say there is a noticeable difference in the high from the last time I grew without the MH bulb.

Dr.Nick Riviera said:

I use DE and have been killing it with them, i just finished my first run using a de MH 10000k the last 2 weeks. I can honestly say there is a noticeable difference in the high from the last time I grew without the MH bulb.

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Yep. I swap out my HPS bulbs and replace with MH during the last two weeks. I also prefer MH for veg. The blue spectrum keeps them short and stocky, plus it provides a little UV.
I bet a 315 CMH would outperform TWO of my 400w MH rigs (non-digital). I don't mind running them in the winter because the heat is needed, but this spring I'm going to upgrade. I'll probably go with DIY COB if I end up buying brand new gear. But I'm definitely open to CMH if the price is right. I can manage the heat during summer, but it's a hassle.

Chunky Stool said:

Yep. I swap out my HPS bulbs and replace with MH during the last two weeks. I also prefer MH for veg. The blue spectrum keeps them short and stocky, plus it provides a little UV.
I bet a 315 CMH would outperform TWO of my 400w MH rigs (non-digital). I don't mind running them in the winter because the heat is needed, but this spring I'm going to upgrade. I'll probably go with DIY COB if I end up buying brand new gear. But I'm definitely open to CMH if the price is right. I can manage the heat during summer, but it's a hassle.

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I ran a 400 CMH for veg for years, i have been using a 315lec for veg for almost a year now and love it.

GardenGnome83 said:

My bud was good before I started discarding the "hard learned" bro science, it got better. Hell, Rid smoked a j I grew before I implemented any of his practices, and it worked on him, so...
I've added to my regimen little things. Little things that you argued about til you left the forum. I doubted it all too, that is healthy and wise. But I chose to find out through research and experience if it works.
Maybe rid doesn't have time for the arguments anymore? He's done it over and over. It's tiring. If you have not done it yourself, why knock it because it goes against decades of faulty "bro-science"? Why not use that intelligence to see if you can get better buds, instead of discounting it because convention says otherwise?
Sure, we all grow differently. But conventional "wisdom" is usually a bunch of crap, in the case of cannabis. I wish you peace, friend.

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As a veteran of my fair share of flame wars over 'bro science' too, I heartily concur with these words of wisdom!

It happens every time you start trying something new- and make the mistake of posting about it, lol