Yeah! It's Bud Worm Season. Pics

This thread makes me very glad I'm an indoor grower. Those things are disgusting!

Try Capt Jacks dead bug brew

Damn man that is really shitty,

I can't believe this is so prevalent for outdoors. I have never had a chance to successfully flower outdoors. I remember once I had a healthy beautiful sprout and I checked it one day and there was a worm on the stem. It had eaten everything. The little true leaves and the new ones just coming out. Bugs love to attack plants

yea smokin's real good for that shit

Mmmm. Cutworms. Got pilfered last year. My neighbor has had success with using Roundup to kill surrounding vegetation on and in your grow in spring, tilling the garden in early May and using a combination of Garden Take-down, BT and Tea to Foley feed through the year (no less then once a week), then use Avid (we have a bad leaf-hopper issue) ONCE! 4 weeks before harvest, at the last three weeks of flower avoid the colas as much as possible.

For best results, spray Bt four months from today, and repeat every three weeks(or more) until four weeks before harvest. Spray your girls down with water, a few days later. Enough Bt will remain to make the worms dead.

middle of a joint question. during a full moon the light bouncing off the only other rock humans have shit upon, equals at least a couple thousand lumens, maybe 100s. who knows. now during flowering stages does this decrease in photosynthesis producing light affect production. meaning growers of the outdoor nature encounter this for damn near a wk once a month. and ive never seen photo evidence of a 13 pound single plant grown under lights. but if the exact same light quality (lumen count, intesity etc) conditions are employed with regularly employed lighting fixtures what potential effect would be encountered.

CrazyChester said:

Chowing down on your buds at this very moment. At least their chowing down on mine. I hit them with some with some BT this evening.

I have a question or two for those who have used BT in the past. Does it effect the quality of the weed. (Taste, Buzz....) And is it really safe for smoking. How long do you have to wait after spraying before you harvest. I've been using BT on my garden for decades without any problems but I always wash the food I grow before I eat it. But I'd have to be crazy to wash my weed before smoking it. Though I could give it a little spray down a few days before harvest. Any suggestions?

Here's some pics of my two plants progress. You can see the damage done to one of the buds and one of our crawly little pests.

If anyone has any idea of the strains I'm growing I'd sure like to know.

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hey i didnt read all the pages of this forum so idk if someone already mentiond this but Monteray garden insect spray works better than BT in my experince i have tried BT and safer and the Monteray spray works best, its all organic made from spinsosad which is naturally occuring soil bacteria found in a old wine distellery, u dont want to use as often as BT cause u dont have to just a couple sprays a season will do, once the worms ingest the spinosad they die within a day or two and fall down into soil and get broken down, also takin preventive measures and begining of season will help, make sure u dont plant right next to silk or oak trees, also go to a nursery and buy sum orb weaving spiders, they are the spiders that spin a web between trees that kinda resemble a a circle, u can find them online if ur local nursery doesnt have them, then eat the moths before they can lay the eggs for the catipillars, also i know there is a certain type of wasp that will attack catipillars but ive never used em so idk how good results are, i have used the spiders tho i usually start gettin em out in the area this month, but definitly try the monteray garden insect spray ul like the results

The3rdisight said:

Mmmm. Cutworms. Got pilfered last year. My neighbor has had success with using Roundup to kill surrounding vegetation on and in your grow in spring, tilling the garden in early May and using a combination of Garden Take-down, BT and Tea to Foley feed through the year (no less then once a week), then use Avid (we have a bad leaf-hopper issue) ONCE! 4 weeks before harvest, at the last three weeks of flower avoid the colas as much as possible.

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why are u using avid? there are plenty of other ways to get rid of leaf hoppers instead of using avid even if u spray once it still will be somewhat contaimented, look for natural predators for the leaf hoppers and get them out there early like when ur tilling ur garden, but please consider not using avid im not trying to sound like a dick or anything jus kinda concerned for your health cause avid is not meant to be consumed even in minute traces

I bet those worms are gettin high as shit.

Yeah. Had to wear a suit and respirator for that shit...
It actually wasn't my call to use it.
It worked. But because of the lazy asses running the hill that waited til the leafhoppers and worms spread like the plague before doing any thing about it,
we either lose the crop or spray that gnarly stuff. They choose to use it and it worked. It's my hill now. Would I use it again?; only if it was my last resort.
Although I meant to say in the directions "Use once, 4 weeks into veg".

The3rdisight said:

Yeah. Had to wear a suit and respirator for that shit...
It actually wasn't my call to use it.
It worked. But because of the lazy asses running the hill that waited til the leafhoppers and worms spread like the plague before doing any thing about it,
we either lose the crop or spray that gnarly stuff. They choose to use it and it worked. It's my hill now. Would I use it again?; only if it was my last resort.
Although I meant to say in the directions "Use once, 4 weeks into veg".

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i hear ya if its lose the crop or spray id spray, sucks when its not ur fault but other lazy growers faults, had the same problem with last years outdoor one of the patients cultivating their meds did real good and was really enthusiastic for the whole veg cycle but as soon as they started budding idk what happend to his enthusiasm, he just let his plants fall over didnt try to stake didnt pick of the dead undercarriage it got bad quick, but since they were his i didnt cut them, well round end of september i convinced him to pick his white widow off the ground and trim it up a bit so undercarrage bud would get sum light, when he pickd it up and i could see the soil underneath it the soil lookd alive cause it was completely covered in worms that were working there way to the other plants most importantly mine, luckly it was closer to end of season so damage was mimnal but could have been worse if we didnt start spraying the spinosad then, i sprayed with the spinsoad they went with safer so i got to see a pretty good side by side trial and the spinosad is the shit if will work for other insects as well check it out if u gota bad bug problem this upcoming summer

Kb's seeds said:

i hear ya if its lose the crop or spray id spray, sucks when its not ur fault but other lazy growers faults, had the same problem with last years outdoor one of the patients cultivating their meds did real good and was really enthusiastic for the whole veg cycle but as soon as they started budding idk what happend to his enthusiasm, he just let his plants fall over didnt try to stake didnt pick of the dead undercarriage it got bad quick, but since they were his i didnt cut them, well round end of september i convinced him to pick his white widow off the ground and trim it up a bit so undercarrage bud would get sum light, when he pickd it up and i could see the soil underneath it the soil lookd alive cause it was completely covered in worms that were working there way to the other plants most importantly mine, luckly it was closer to end of season so damage was mimnal but could have been worse if we didnt start spraying the spinosad then, i sprayed with the spinsoad they went with safer so i got to see a pretty good side by side trial and the spinosad is the shit if will work for other insects as well check it out if u gota bad bug problem this upcoming summer

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Man. If I didn't know any better I think I know who you're talking about!

Thanks for the spinosad info!

Kb's seeds said:

why are u using avid? there are plenty of other ways to get rid of leaf hoppers instead of using avid even if u spray once it still will be somewhat contaimented, look for natural predators for the leaf hoppers and get them out there early like when ur tilling ur garden, but please consider not using avid im not trying to sound like a dick or anything jus kinda concerned for your health cause avid is not meant to be consumed even in minute traces

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wow, I am glad I started reading this thread, funny your mentioning leaf hoppers. I had a bug on my small outdoor crop last year and could not figure out what it was at all. Then I just googled leaf hoppers and it was the exact same bug I saw on my crop.

I wish I had known how to control them last yr. I ended up finding a few worms in my buds. Will the Spinosad that you mentioned work for the leaf hoppers as well do you think?
Thanks.

F2H

Spinosad works on any critter that ingests it

What is worse.. . A plant that begins to hermi due to stress midway in bloom or having mad bud worms days from chop.

Favre2Harvin said:

wow, I am glad I started reading this thread, funny your mentioning leaf hoppers. I had a bug on my small outdoor crop last year and could not figure out what it was at all. Then I just googled leaf hoppers and it was the exact same bug I saw on my crop.

I wish I had known how to control them last yr. I ended up finding a few worms in my buds. Will the Spinosad that you mentioned work for the leaf hoppers as well do you think?
Thanks.

F2H

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I think spinosad is more for the critters(caterpillars, etc) that eat the plant matter.
It may keep them off the plant but leafhoppers suck the juices with their poison mandibles.
I'm gonna try this:Permethrin

It says insecticides with permethrin or resmethrin work on leafhoppers. Garden Take-Down has the unsynthesized version pyrethrum.
But it doesn't hold up to the elements like per/resmethrin does.

Has anyone ever used AzaMax? I was thinking of trying this.

Seamaiden said:

I couldn't quite determine how big that bud worm was. A week or two ago I found a little brown caterpillar thing in one of my girls, and I picked it off. Now I'm noticing that I have what locals call "meat bees" picking through my plants, and I'm wondering if they're finding and eating more of these little things I found. It was between 1/4"-18" long.

What's the BT, or the bacteria that are in it?

Are the GrowFAQs back up yet?

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one of the budworms (i call em catipillar worms) natural predators is either some type of wasp or bee i cant remeber the exact name of the type of wasp or bee but ya its prolly pickin thru and eatin the worms, idk how gentle the bees are with ur buds tho and remeber bees carry pollen so if there is another garden in the area with a male or hermie in it the bees might bring that pollen ur way, i use spinosad instead of bt, i get the monteray garden insect spray which has spinosad in it, its all organic and omri rated, ive had better results with spinosad than bt, spinosad is naturally occuring soil bacteria, i think bt has bacctillus subtillus (<-prolly not spelled right) in it

Favre2Harvin said:

wow, I am glad I started reading this thread, funny your mentioning leaf hoppers. I had a bug on my small outdoor crop last year and could not figure out what it was at all. Then I just googled leaf hoppers and it was the exact same bug I saw on my crop.

I wish I had known how to control them last yr. I ended up finding a few worms in my buds. Will the Spinosad that you mentioned work for the leaf hoppers as well do you think?
Thanks.

F2H

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never had to use with leaf hoppers, i think obijohn got it right, if they ingest it it will kill them, but im not guarenteeing it, il do sum research see if anybody has any leaf hoppers in the gardens yet (i know alot people who grow winter food crops like broccelli and rose greenhouse gardens too) it might be alittle to early in the year but if i kno someone who has got sum living in the greenhouse il go do a test with the spinosad and let u kno the results