World Of Hempy

I prefer to start beans in a cup of medium. They seem to do better with a little more space. Rock wool cubes are great for clones though.

Indoor Sun King said:

I'm a big fan of soil capping for the reason you stated, and also it just keeps the perlite from falling out when you tip the bucket.

I start my plants in rockwool then moved to the bucket (or pop bottle) as soon as the roots show. I know this is not conventional and does results in slow progress for the first weeks.

I water my bucket twice daily for the first while. but do not use nutes so salt build-up is not an issue. I also drain the bucket as much as I can before adding fresh water

Once the roots are established, then I start to water/nutes every second or third day (when bucket is light)

BTW...not saying what I do is right or best....it's just what I have done

cheers

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Soil capping whether regular soil or coco mimics what is typically found in Mother Nature - a layer of loose top soil (soil or coco) then usually a mix of clay/soil (50/50 mix of coco or soil and perlite), and finally just clay (perlite).

I know people who have grown this way. I actually started in coco a few months back but was not happy with the progress (plus I didn't like the "dirty" coco), and went to the perlite/vermiculite mix (3:1) and had more success.

FuckJeffGoldbloom said:

That is what i did and boy did i notice the first few weeks of growth were very slow...by the fourth week (currently) they are starting to grow much quicker, i wonder why starting in rockwool takes longer...

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In my situation, it's not the rockwool that made it slow growing, but rather putting it in a deep bucket with little roots showing from the rockwoll.

I believe it focuses its energy on growing roots until it hits the water reserve thus the top is slower to develop than if it was in a smaller hempy

Rockwool was my last choice mostly because I hate wool, but I have had better luck with them than peat plugs or dirt.

Finally took my clones today:



Of course one plant's branches were too small so I wasn't able to take clones. Just my luck that one will be the best producer!

The cool tube reflector should be in tomorrow. It is 26" x 26" so it's coverage is much better than my current reflector. In the meantime I installed a 6" in-line fan I bought and put a small piece of aluminum flex pipe from it to the light (I taped it on the front of the reflector so it is blowing towards the light). It is acting as a poor man's cool tube!!

Indoor Sun King said:

In my situation, it's not the rockwool that made it slow growing, but rather putting it in a deep bucket with little roots showing from the rockwoll.

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Indoor Sun King said:

I believe it focuses its energy on growing roots until it hits the water reserve thus the top is slower to develop than if it was in a smaller hempy

Rockwool was my last choice mostly because I hate wool, but I have had better luck with them than peat plugs or dirt.

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Yes I did this too again exactly, i started them in 3x3 rockwools and just a couple days after sprout i put the rockwool in 2 gallon buckets...that all added up = some slow growing plant, but by next week im hoping they will look much better, rockwool has never been good to me, the i always say, why did i use that? I think i will not start any beans in rockwool, and just use my left over rockwool for clones, as Duck stated..

Hello all, I've been perusing WoH for a while and have to say I've found it to be a veritable fount of great and useful info ;?D Course I haven't been able to read the whole thing yet, so please forgive me if some of my Q's are a bit redundant,

First off I've been using the Hempy system for a couple of years now but just recently decided to switch from straight perlite to a mix of perlite and coir. I'm using a 60/40 perlite/coir ratio in 3.5 gal buckets, topped with straight vermiculite for moisture retention as well as an algae resistant layer. IMO adding coir is definitely an improvement - it holds nutes and moisture longer and I can really see a better developed root structure (I use translucent green containers). I'm using hydroton for the rez because it's what I had handy but on my next run I'm going to switch to rockwool cubes (also planning to switch to 2 gal containers and higher % of coir).

This grow I've got 8 White Widow and 8 Medi Bud from feminized seeds from Herbies and so far I'm really impressed with the Medi Bud due to it's greater density of buds sites, and the size from the get go are nearly twice as fat. Nutes are:

GH Floraduo Parts A and B
GH Floramicro
GH KoolBloom
GH CaliMagic
Earth Juice Catalyst
Safer Grow Fulmag
Botanicare Silica Blast
Subcultures B and M
Blackstrap Molasses
Superthrive
Hygrozyme

Some pics ;?D

Running 4x600W (actually 2 - 1000W ballasts with a Sunsplitter on each so probably not a full 2400W)
















This is largest of the Medi Buds at about 4 weeks




















There's a definite difference in height as the Medi Bud shows its Sativa heritage making it impossible to maintain an even canopy (depending on the smoke, I'm leaning towards straight Medi Bud for the next round ;?)


My biggest White Widow gal


I've been struggling a bit with the nutes, just teetering on the edge of nute burn several times, but aside from some burnt tips, not terrible, but got to get that dialed in (yes, less is more ;?). Well this has taken me a couple of hours to finish due to a dozen distractions and then smoking a blunt laced with some oil I made a few weeks ago, so now I too fucked up to remember my Q's, lol, but guess I can come back tomorrow and pick up where I left off.
Good grows all ;?D

Hey WOH
Things looking good around here.

Decided that I needed to replant my seedlings this last weekend. Went to the Dollar Tree and found these 7'quart garbage pails for a buck a piece.

These Berry Bomb are stinky little fuckers for only 7 nodes into growth. I fed them for the first time last night and they seemed to enjoy it. Got a bunch of diameceous earth (spell check!) all over the leaves when dusting the top of the soil but it doesn't seem to hurt em. They seem to respond to topping pretty well too

Theyre soil cores in perlite most of the way up with a soil cap of about 2 to 3 inches.

My reveg plants are starting to bust out new growth..all the calyxes popping open with growth. For some,reason the picture I took wont load up I'll et another tomorrow.

Cheers.

Glad it's cooling off some, have a few hit days in the forecast though. My new flower room is almost complete. Its up and running, just need to work on ventilation a little more. Its 5 1/2 feet wide by about 12 feet long. I have my 600w with the OG reflector along with OG's Real Red bulb and my 1000w with my XXL hood running full tilt. I have 3 Super Skunks, 1 Girl Scout Cookie, 1 Lemon Kush going and will soon be adding a Darkstar and a Black Russian to the mix. No pics of the room yet, I wanna get it finished first.

Hey my fellow Hempy-ers! My cool tube came in today and of course something was broken (thanks FedEx!). The ceramic that's around the socket broke and since it would've taken too much time and been too much of a pain in the butt to return it, I decided to just fix it by using the one in my current light. It took a while longer than I wanted but I got it done and installed. The reflector is a bit bigger than I anticipated, my grow tent is 32" x 32" and the cool rube w/reflector is 26" square. With the flex pipe attached it ends up bulging out my tent an inch or so. No big deal, as long as it works! It definitely keeps the temps down. As the weather cools as Fall and Winter set in, the ambient temps outside my tent will drop as well helping to keep it cool.

My clones are looking droopy, which is to be expected the first few days. I run the aeroponics mister 15 mins on/15 off. I plan on changing the reservoir every other day so the temp doesn't get too warm and it stays fresh.

I'll take some pics of the cool tube tomorrow when the lights first turn on to hopefully avoid the wavey lines so look for those. Until then happy growing everyone!

Okay back again and got a few Q's on my mind ;?D

First, I read that from one growers experience (can't remember the OP) that switching from 3.5 gal buckets to 2 gal buckets was more effective - saved on nutes and watering and equaled or exceeded production in the larger buckets. Makes sense the way it was explained, and I'm thinking of switching on my next grow. What I am curious about is what's the largest hempy bucket anyone uses and is there a consensus of opinion as to whether going with larger buckets and fewer plants is a better route?

I realize space if often what dictates a growers choice in this, so let's use my example of a 9'x11' room with an 8' ceiling. I have run up to 32 plants in a stadium style grow, but dealing with so many plants is a lot of work (considering the time I have these days). So I've been wondering if I'd be better off getting rid of the "bleachers" and just growing 9 really big girls in 5 gal or larger containers. I'm sure this isn't a new topic of discussion, but I would appreciate some input from more experienced Hempy growers who've also dealt with this conundrum ;?D

This is my first grow with coir, and as I mentioned I just kinda stuck my toe in, adding just 40% with 60% perlite. My question is, is there a "best" ratio of coir to perlite, or is straight coir better? I admit I lean towards keeping a % of perlite because I think it's better at aeration, but I could be wrong, I'm willing to listen to more experienced folks

Also on the subject of nutes, I've recently added CaliMagic when I switched to coir due to deficiency problems inherent to this medium. But I have been using Safe Grow's Fulmag in my grows for a long time (back to my outdoor dirt days) for the fulvic acid and magnesium. I've never dealt with an excess of magnesium before, so not sure if that's one of my nute burn sources, but I am wondering whether it's a good idea to use both products? And it not, which is the keeper and which do you recommend chucking?

Finally, I've been using Hygrozyme for a while, it was recommended to me when I first started growing hydroponically. But considering that the Hempy system is relatively free of many of the contam issues of standard hydro setups, is it really unnecessary and/or worth the expense?

Well thanks for tuning in and again for all the great information, it's been a lot of help and the WoH is a source of inspiration for me to continue learning and stepping up my game ;?D

BTW, here's some pics of my first Hempy experience

fearnoevil.....very cool looking setup

Yeah nice setup. No damage from light going through the buckets into roots? Great idea with the water return.

Indoor Sun King said:

fearnoevil.....very cool looking setup

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Thanks Sun King Yeah the idea for this setup was one of those great stoner moments of inspiration ;?D

HydroGp said:

Yeah nice setup. No damage from light going through the buckets into roots? Great idea with the water return.

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Well Hydro, this was the first run and I did see most the problems with the red and then blue but not quite as bad, especially with algae, but the green and greenish-yellow not so much. I've switched to mostly green (since this is the spectrum of light least used by plants) and honestly, especially with this coir grow, I've see plenty of root growth down the sides of the buckets and no algae, so it seems to be doing okay.

I do like being able to see whats going on in there but it could be that I'm creating a problem. I need to try a control and cover some of them up and see if there's a difference in the root ball.

As for the drainage system, I'm extremely lazy and so put a lot of thought into how to keep labor to a minimum. Honestly if there'd been a floor drain in the room, I'd probably have tried just letting all the pots piss right on the floor, lol. Basically it's a 1 1/2 inch PVC pipe and caps split down the middle, but if I were to design this again I'd definitely go with 2" cuz a bigger trough would just work better from my xp. Glad you liked it ;?D

fearnoevil said:

Okay back again and got a few Q's on my mind ;?D

Also on the subject of nutes, I've recently added CaliMagic when I switched to coir due to deficiency problems inherent to this medium. But I have been using Safe Grow's Fulmag in my grows for a long time (back to my outdoor dirt days) for the fulvic acid and magnesium. I've never dealt with an excess of magnesium before, so not sure if that's one of my nute burn sources, but I am wondering whether it's a good idea to use both products? And it not, which is the keeper and which do you recommend chucking?

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Just to throw this out there,, Since I have been using CNS17 for Soil & Coco (I switched to coco hempy's about a year ago), I have not had to even open the CalMag+ bottle. My CalMag Deficiencies seem to be a thing of the past now, where I would get a little every grow before.

I also like that its a 1 Part, and seems to do the job. I use some additives like Liquid Karma, Hydroplex, Silica Blast and Sweet, but my mothers just get the 1 Part, and that's pretty much it. They seem very happy with it.

Oh, and maybe consider building the Stadium on a Flood Tray so you can just let em dump

fearnoevil said:

Okay back again and got a few Q's on my mind ;?D

First, I read that from one growers experience (can't remember the OP) that switching from 3.5 gal buckets to 2 gal buckets was more effective - saved on nutes and watering and equaled or exceeded production in the larger buckets. Makes sense the way it was explained, and I'm thinking of switching on my next grow. What I am curious about is what's the largest hempy bucket anyone uses and is there a consensus of opinion as to whether going with larger buckets and fewer plants is a better route?

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With soil the age-old philosophy is you need one gallon for every foot of plant growth. With hempy buckets you get a 1:2 ratio. In other words, for every gallon of your hempy bucket you can get 2x the plant height. So a 2.5 gallon hempy bucket can accommodate a 5 foot plant.

fearnoevil said:

I realize space if often what dictates a growers choice in this, so let's use my example of a 9'x11' room with an 8' ceiling. I have run up to 32 plants in a stadium style grow, but dealing with so many plants is a lot of work (considering the time I have these days). So I've been wondering if I'd be better off getting rid of the "bleachers" and just growing 9 really big girls in 5 gal or larger containers. I'm sure this isn't a new topic of discussion, but I would appreciate some input from more experienced Hempy growers who've also dealt with this conundrum ;?D

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The amount of containers will depend on several things: the wattage of your lights, will you be doing any fimming, topping, or super-cropping? Another age-old philosophy is you need 50w of light per square foot. For for your space you would need at least five 1000w lights! (9 x 11 = 99 sq. ft. x 50w = 4950w)

As far as plants if you do no cropping of any kind you need a minimum of 1 sq. ft. per plant. Any cropping you're looking at 2 to 3 sq. ft. per plant.

fearnoevil said:

This is my first grow with coir, and as I mentioned I just kinda stuck my toe in, adding just 40% with 60% perlite. My question is, is there a "best" ratio of coir to perlite, or is straight coir better? I admit I lean towards keeping a % of perlite because I think it's better at aeration, but I could be wrong, I'm willing to listen to more experienced folks

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Check out this thread which gives great instructions on how to grow in hempy's using coco and perlite:

http://www.stonerhaven.com/topic/384-how-to-coco-hempy/

But I would recommend keeping it simple and sticking to either straight perlite or a perlite/vermiculite mix.

fearnoevil said:

Also on the subject of nutes, I've recently added CaliMagic when I switched to coir due to deficiency problems inherent to this medium. But I have been using Safe Grow's Fulmag in my grows for a long time (back to my outdoor dirt days) for the fulvic acid and magnesium. I've never dealt with an excess of magnesium before, so not sure if that's one of my nute burn sources, but I am wondering whether it's a good idea to use both products? And it not, which is the keeper and which do you recommend chucking?

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Not sure about either. I grow in hempy's and I always use DynoGro Protekt whenever I water or nute. It helps strengthen your roots. As far as nutes I use General Hydroponics Flora series for veg and MaxiBloom for flower.

fearnoevil said:

Finally, I've been using Hygrozyme for a while, it was recommended to me when I first started growing hydroponically. But considering that the Hempy system is relatively free of many of the contam issues of standard hydro setups, is it really unnecessary and/or worth the expense?

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See above.

fearnoevil said:

Well thanks for tuning in and again for all the great information, it's been a lot of help and the WoH is a source of inspiration for me to continue learning and stepping up my game ;?D

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Not a problem, good luck with your grow and welcome to the WoH!

fearnoevil said:

BTW, here's some pics of my first Hempy experience
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NICE!

hi all stumbled across this https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/375501-diy-ph-down-sulfuric-acid-8.html when i was gonna do battery acid diy ph down but this guy halfway down that page is talking about apple cider vinegar, how do ya'll feel about this??!?

I've been using lemon juice for ages. Read that apple cider vinegar works aswell.

Rusty cool info, Thanks I have cns 17 and cal mag...I did not use the cns, but I will now...

Rusty they won't let me rep ya, I have something cooking now and that advice may solve my problem..

Nizza said:

hi all stumbled across this https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/375501-diy-ph-down-sulfuric-acid-8.html when i was gonna do battery acid diy ph down but this guy halfway down that page is talking about apple cider vinegar, how do ya'll feel about this??!?

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I've recently learned vinegar in general makes a great, organic liquid that lowers PH. It contains acetic acid and has a PH of around 2.4. I've read a couple posts where people have sworn by vinegar, and insist you're wasting your money on PH down.

I also think it would be MUCH better than battery acid since it is more organic. It also makes a good anti-bacteria agent.

While my Skywalker OG matures in it's final week or so, these young "G13 Blueberry Gums" are looking nice and stout at 3 weeks per seed. I dropped them in their 2gal homes at the end of week 2 and upped the lights to T5's from the little 23w CFL's. I'll FIM this weekend at start of week 4 and put them under the new Area-51 LED's start of week 5. I sure hope these are Indy girls....I'm worn thin from the tall SK OG and all the super-cropping during stretch ( I know, bitch, bitch, bitch). My fingers need a break from pinching the girls (referencing marijuana only). This grow is coco coir over reused hydroton clay balls, instead of coco over rock-wool (exploring again, had them lying around). I did pack some rock-wool around the hole just to keep the coir from getting down into the balls and clogging the fiberglass screen. Now I'm back to an even 1gal per feed instead of 1.2gal/per based on the rock-wool reservoir's ability to wick like the coco does.