Willow bark extract

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oGipRotRe

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I know that willow bark is one example of many sources (organic and inorganic) of certain growth-hormones that promote root growth and can be used for cloning, but how do these hormones affect a plant that either started from seed or was cloned but had already build an extensive root system? Do they promote vigorous root growth on any vegetative plant, or just unrooted cuttings?

not sure if anyone has any reliable source of such information, but I'm curious so I thought I'd ask.
 
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oGipRotRe

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oh wow I think I found something important here...


wikipedia said:
Root growth and development

Auxin induces new root formation by breaking root apical dominance induced by cytokinins. In horticulture, auxins, especially NAA and IBA, are commonly applied to stimulate root growth when taking cuttings of plants. However, high concentrations of auxin inhibit root elongation and instead enhance adventitious root formation. Removal of the root tip can lead to inhibition of secondary root formation.
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doesn't sound like anything for novice growers to mess around with other than for cloning... could have the opposite effect you would be applying it for!
 
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notsonuts

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oGipRotRe said:
I know that willow bark is one example of many sources (organic and inorganic) of certain growth-hormones that promote root growth and can be used for cloning, but how do these hormones affect a plant that either started from seed or was cloned but had already build an extensive root system? Do they promote vigorous root growth on any vegetative plant, or just unrooted cuttings?

not sure if anyone has any reliable source of such information, but I'm curious so I thought I'd ask.
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sorry have only used it to soak rookwool cubes for cloning.
 
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gangjababy

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I would think it would be fine for vegging it will promote faster root growth and I'd imagine it would grow faster. Alphalfa has a growth hormone in it too if your going the organic route.
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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Willow Bark Extract ( very weak - aspirin ) is good for toughing up the plants immune system mostly - known as the SAR response . Some extra root growth happens regardless of how started, as long as the plant is still in the veg. stage. Seaweed extracts are very good for plants in veg., boost vigor, increase root mass and help keep plants on the shorter / wider side. I prefer seaweed over all others. Like quoted above it shifts the ratio of auxins to a more veggie side of the force.
Johnny-come-lately products like Bush Master (Humbolt Co.), that are way over priced are just seawead extracts at double strength - like Liquid Karma (great stuff) - is mostly unsulphured molasses. Both will drain your wallet, fast, both can be equaled with cheaper substitutes - like at Wormsway (www.wormsway.com) plenty of cheaper alternatives there, or search for Organic Fertilizer or Organic Tonic (Ebay) - if you find any made by Blue Mountain Organics - buy it. It's cheap & totally kicks...*ss..... The mychorrizal fungi in that stuff, will cause a plant in a 55 gallon barrel to get root bound.... Amazing - Hippie - Organics... & it's cheap..... Just proving more expensive is not always better....
 
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oGipRotRe

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wormsay site won't load for me, I'll try again later - but I'll def. check out some seaweed based products and have a look around on ebay
 
DRtothE

DRtothE

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if you are looking for great root mass, and a wider above ground plant structure as well, seaweed bump

peace
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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Yes .. Seaweed extracts & Mychorizzal Fungi may revolutionize growing for the average joe. Just like, when hydroponics hit the scene in the 80's. Some, things will stand the test of time; and stay on top. Like Aerosmith, AC/DC & The Stones... I rocked to em' and now my kids do too...
 
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DR. VonDankenstine

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Ohsogreen said:
Willow Bark Extract ( very weak - aspirin ) is good for toughing up the plants immune system mostly - known as the SAR response . Some extra root growth happens regardless of how started, as long as the plant is still in the veg. stage. Seaweed extracts are very good for plants in veg., boost vigor, increase root mass and help keep plants on the shorter / wider side. I prefer seaweed over all others. Like quoted above it shifts the ratio of auxins to a more veggie side of the force.
Johnny-come-lately products like Bush Master (Humbolt Co.), that are way over priced are just seawead extracts at double strength - like Liquid Karma (great stuff) - is mostly unsulphured molasses. Both will drain your wallet, fast, both can be equaled with cheaper substitutes - like at Wormsway (www.wormsway.com) plenty of cheaper alternatives there, or search for Organic Fertilizer or Organic Tonic (Ebay) - if you find any made by Blue Mountain Organics - buy it. It's cheap & totally kicks...*ss..... The mychorrizal fungi in that stuff, will cause a plant in a 55 gallon barrel to get root bound.... Amazing - Hippie - Organics... & it's cheap..... Just proving more expensive is not always better....
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Willow water----------aspirin---1 to 10,000 ratio or AN SCORPION JUICE. All do the same thing.
 
DRtothE

DRtothE

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seriously, could you break down how exactly you get your 250, 300, or 500 mg asprin into a 1 in 10,000 cut.


peace
 
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DR. VonDankenstine

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the ratio is probably wrong but it's a very minute amount if I remember correctly-----The scorpion juice is the best proven way to SAR(in a nutshell----toughen-up your plants)
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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DRtothE said:
seriously, could you break down how exactly you get your 250, 300, or 500 mg asprin into a 1 in 10,000 cut.


peace
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The correct mix is (1) 250 mg uncoated aspirin to one gallon of water. Use as a foliar spray. Spray a fine mist on the larger leaves (fan leaves) early in the morning or (15) minutes prior to lights on. Do not spray your plants more than once, every two weeks. As, doing so, defeats the purpose and causes damage.
 
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DR. VonDankenstine

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Ohsogreen said:
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The correct mix is (1) 250 mg uncoated aspirin to one gallon of water. Use as a foliar spray. Spray a fine mist on the larger leaves (fan leaves) early in the morning or (15) minutes prior to lights on. Do not spray your plants more than once, every two weeks. As, doing so, defeats the purpose and causes damage.
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Thanks for the correct info----I haven't used the aspirin trick in many years----easy to forget all the tricks------thanks again +reps
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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DR. VonDankenstine said:
Thanks for the correct info----I haven't used the aspirin trick in many years----easy to forget all the tricks------thanks again +reps
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Your welcome.. Yes, I kind of go through a cycle of trying & then forgetting these little tricks too. It's one of those cheap & effective tricks, we should share with all the newbies.
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littlebat

littlebat

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So you're saying aspirin can be used in place of rooting hormone, or that you should spray aspirin water on your plants for some reason...?
 
DRtothE

DRtothE

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the aspirin boosts the immune system of your plant, a bit more vigor really.

i haven't heard of it helping the root system

peace
 
littlebat

littlebat

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Aspirin contains salicylates that are synthesized from willow bark, and willow bark tea can be used as a rooting compound. We have a big willow in our backyard so I'm going to try it.
 
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