Will You Take The Vaccine?
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but why?
hanimmal
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Mainly because it is a science subject.
And I really have no clue what is bullshit and what isn't so it turns into a emotional scam reading shit in here IMO.
printer
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Mobile injection sites
Same here. I had to get a couple of shots to work at the hospital.
DIY-HP-LED
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Hey if it takes Joe running the price is right every Friday on national TV to get jabs with Joe, so be it! The winners of this weeks 100 half tons are...
DIY-HP-LED
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U.S. to issue COVID-19 rule for healthcare workers on Thursday (yahoo.com)
U.S. to issue COVID-19 rule for healthcare workers on Thursday
(Reuters) - The U.S. workplace regulator will publish a rule on Thursday requiring healthcare employers to take steps to protect workers from COVID-19, U.S. Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh told a congressional panel on Wednesday.
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration will also release non-binding guidance on how other businesses can protect workers, Walsh told a hearing of the U.S. House of Representatives Education and Labor Committee.
During the Trump administration, OSHA rejected calls by unions, Democrats and worker advocates for a rule that would apply to most employers. Instead, the agency issued a series of non-binding guidance documents tailored to different industries.
Walsh did not reveal other details of the rule. He said the guidance would apply to the treatment of workers who have not received COVID-19 vaccines.
Walsh's announcement immediately drew rebukes from Republicans on the House committee.
Rep. Tim Walberg, a Republican from Michigan, said that issuing a rule goes against recent U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance that said vaccinated people can largely go about their normal pre-pandemic lives.
"I think the answer should be, let's let people go back to work in a normal fashion," Walberg said during the hearing, held via Zoom.
"I like the signs of where we’re headed," Walsh responded. "However, people are still dying and are still getting infected."
U.S. to issue COVID-19 rule for healthcare workers on Thursday
(Reuters) - The U.S. workplace regulator will publish a rule on Thursday requiring healthcare employers to take steps to protect workers from COVID-19, U.S. Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh told a congressional panel on Wednesday.
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration will also release non-binding guidance on how other businesses can protect workers, Walsh told a hearing of the U.S. House of Representatives Education and Labor Committee.
During the Trump administration, OSHA rejected calls by unions, Democrats and worker advocates for a rule that would apply to most employers. Instead, the agency issued a series of non-binding guidance documents tailored to different industries.
Walsh did not reveal other details of the rule. He said the guidance would apply to the treatment of workers who have not received COVID-19 vaccines.
Walsh's announcement immediately drew rebukes from Republicans on the House committee.
Rep. Tim Walberg, a Republican from Michigan, said that issuing a rule goes against recent U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance that said vaccinated people can largely go about their normal pre-pandemic lives.
"I think the answer should be, let's let people go back to work in a normal fashion," Walberg said during the hearing, held via Zoom.
"I like the signs of where we’re headed," Walsh responded. "However, people are still dying and are still getting infected."
+ the flu shot sticker which i always wore proud and so did everyone else..you didn't have to know anyone, but your knew they too stepped up to protect others. i knew i wasn't in Kansas any longer when my employer asked if i would take vaccine..i'm like 'why wouldn't you'?
i then was introed to the anti-vaxxer populace- they're big here apparently
but they are getting the shot..unless of course it's all the blue people and it just looks like they're getting the shot. i'd like to see a vacc map.
hanimmal
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let's take a post or two and dissect what's bothering you?
it's Political Science
DIY-HP-LED
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Which Groups Are Still Dying of Covid in the U.S.? - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Which Groups Are Still Dying of Covid in the U.S.?
Deaths from Covid-19 have dropped 90 percent in the United States since their peak in January, according to provisional data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
As the nation reopens and restrictions are lifted, however, the virus continues to kill hundreds of people daily. By late May, there were still nearly 2,500 weekly deaths attributed to Covid-19.
Weekly Covid-19 deaths
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention | Note: Recent weeks are most likely undercounts. Data are as of June 9 for weeks ending Dec. 5, 2020 through May 22, 2021.
More than half of the U.S. population has received at least one dose of the Covid-19 vaccine, and it’s the remaining unvaccinated population that is driving the lingering deaths, experts say.
After the first vaccines were authorized for emergency use in December, with priority given to senior populations before younger groups, the share of those dying who were 75 or older started dropping immediately.
In turn, younger populations began to make up higher shares of Covid-19 deaths compared with their shares at the peak of the pandemic — a trend that continued when vaccine eligibility opened up to all adults. While the number of deaths dropped in all age groups, about half of Covid-19 deaths are now of people aged 50 to 74, compared with only a third in December.
“Previously, at the start of the pandemic, we were seeing people who were over the age of 60, who have numerous comorbidities,” said Dr. Krutika Kuppalli, an infectious disease expert at the Medical University of South Carolina. “I’m not seeing that as much anymore.” Instead, she said, hospitalizations have lately been skewing toward “people who are younger, people who have not been vaccinated.”
More than 80 percent of those 65 and older have received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine, compared with about half of those aged 25 to 64 who have received one dose. Data collected by the C.D.C. on so-called breakthrough infections — those that happen to vaccinated people — suggest an exceedingly low rate of death among people who had received a Covid-19 vaccine.
“I still think the narrative, unfortunately, is out there with younger people that they can’t suffer the adverse events related to Covid,” said Dr. Kuppalli, who added that young people can indeed still experience severe consequences from the virus.
Still, those 50 and older continue to make up the bulk of Covid-19 deaths. Among that cohort, white Americans are driving the shifts in death patterns. At the height of the pandemic, those who were white and aged 75 and older accounted for more than half of all Covid-19 deaths. Now, they make up less than a third.
Which Groups Are Still Dying of Covid in the U.S.?
Deaths from Covid-19 have dropped 90 percent in the United States since their peak in January, according to provisional data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
As the nation reopens and restrictions are lifted, however, the virus continues to kill hundreds of people daily. By late May, there were still nearly 2,500 weekly deaths attributed to Covid-19.
Weekly Covid-19 deaths
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention | Note: Recent weeks are most likely undercounts. Data are as of June 9 for weeks ending Dec. 5, 2020 through May 22, 2021.
More than half of the U.S. population has received at least one dose of the Covid-19 vaccine, and it’s the remaining unvaccinated population that is driving the lingering deaths, experts say.
After the first vaccines were authorized for emergency use in December, with priority given to senior populations before younger groups, the share of those dying who were 75 or older started dropping immediately.
In turn, younger populations began to make up higher shares of Covid-19 deaths compared with their shares at the peak of the pandemic — a trend that continued when vaccine eligibility opened up to all adults. While the number of deaths dropped in all age groups, about half of Covid-19 deaths are now of people aged 50 to 74, compared with only a third in December.
“Previously, at the start of the pandemic, we were seeing people who were over the age of 60, who have numerous comorbidities,” said Dr. Krutika Kuppalli, an infectious disease expert at the Medical University of South Carolina. “I’m not seeing that as much anymore.” Instead, she said, hospitalizations have lately been skewing toward “people who are younger, people who have not been vaccinated.”
More than 80 percent of those 65 and older have received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine, compared with about half of those aged 25 to 64 who have received one dose. Data collected by the C.D.C. on so-called breakthrough infections — those that happen to vaccinated people — suggest an exceedingly low rate of death among people who had received a Covid-19 vaccine.
“I still think the narrative, unfortunately, is out there with younger people that they can’t suffer the adverse events related to Covid,” said Dr. Kuppalli, who added that young people can indeed still experience severe consequences from the virus.
Still, those 50 and older continue to make up the bulk of Covid-19 deaths. Among that cohort, white Americans are driving the shifts in death patterns. At the height of the pandemic, those who were white and aged 75 and older accounted for more than half of all Covid-19 deaths. Now, they make up less than a third.
DIY-HP-LED
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Middle-aged populations of all racial groups are making up a higher share of Covid-19 deaths compared with their shares in December.
The extent of the drop in deaths, however, is not uniform across the board, and cumulative vaccination rates among Black and Hispanic populations continue to lag behind those of Asian and white populations, according to demographic data released by the C.D.C.
The steepest declines have been with older white patients, and also Asians under 30, a group whose weekly Covid-19 deaths were in the single digits even during the height of the pandemic.
Percent change in Covid-19 deaths from December to May
The remaining deaths are mainly driven by those who have yet to be vaccinated, Dr. Kuppalli said, describing two main groups within this population: those who choose to not get vaccinated because of misinformation and politicization around the vaccine, and those who remain unvaccinated because of other factors, including access.
“I think we still have work to do with that population. Particularly in difficult to reach populations, such as rural populations, ethnic and racial minority populations, homeless populations, people who don’t access medical care.”
Covid-19 deaths are still prevalent in certain groups.
While deaths from the virus in nursing homes have dropped more than 90 percent since December, about 200 people per week are still dying of Covid-19 in the facilities, comprising seven percent of all deaths from the virus nationwide.
The extent of the drop in deaths, however, is not uniform across the board, and cumulative vaccination rates among Black and Hispanic populations continue to lag behind those of Asian and white populations, according to demographic data released by the C.D.C.
The steepest declines have been with older white patients, and also Asians under 30, a group whose weekly Covid-19 deaths were in the single digits even during the height of the pandemic.
Percent change in Covid-19 deaths from December to May
The remaining deaths are mainly driven by those who have yet to be vaccinated, Dr. Kuppalli said, describing two main groups within this population: those who choose to not get vaccinated because of misinformation and politicization around the vaccine, and those who remain unvaccinated because of other factors, including access.
“I think we still have work to do with that population. Particularly in difficult to reach populations, such as rural populations, ethnic and racial minority populations, homeless populations, people who don’t access medical care.”
Covid-19 deaths are still prevalent in certain groups.
While deaths from the virus in nursing homes have dropped more than 90 percent since December, about 200 people per week are still dying of Covid-19 in the facilities, comprising seven percent of all deaths from the virus nationwide.
Professor Hack
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I'm not convinced either way, but there's some pretty good logic here as compared to pure emotion/promotion/corruption pushing the other way.
Does anyone here really trust big Pharma? They seem to be benefitting the most from this. Follow the money, always.
www.deconstructingconventional.com
Does anyone here really trust big Pharma? They seem to be benefitting the most from this. Follow the money, always.
18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
A few friends have asked my thoughts on the covid jab(s) so I thought it was time to write an article on the topic.All my friends had not heard most of the details I shared, so I figured you might appreciate hearing some of what I told them.Knowing how contentious this issue is, part of me would...
www.deconstructingconventional.com
Justin-case
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More like follow the corpses.I'm not convinced either way, but there's some pretty good logic here as compared to pure emotion/promotion/corruption pushing the other way.
Does anyone here really trust big Pharma? They seem to be benefitting the most from this. Follow the money, always.
18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
A few friends have asked my thoughts on the covid jab(s) so I thought it was time to write an article on the topic.All my friends had not heard most of the details I shared, so I figured you might appreciate hearing some of what I told them.Knowing how contentious this issue is, part of me would...
Why do you trust a Chinese made virus more than an American made vaccine?
hanimmal
Well-Known Member
I do.I'm not convinced either way, but there's some pretty good logic here as compared to pure emotion/promotion/corruption pushing the other way.
Does anyone here really trust big Pharma? They seem to be benefitting the most from this. Follow the money, always.
18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
A few friends have asked my thoughts on the covid jab(s) so I thought it was time to write an article on the topic.All my friends had not heard most of the details I shared, so I figured you might appreciate hearing some of what I told them.Knowing how contentious this issue is, part of me would...
Our lifespans have about doubled during the last hundred years. Science is constantly improving and the hundreds of thousands of people who dedicate their lives to studying how to help humanity survive is something that I do trust a lot.
Also looks like Snopes did something on that link.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/04/16/18-reasons-why/
It is longer than I thought so I didn't post the entire thing here.
Moflow
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Foo Fighters fans are throwing a tantrum after the band announced a gig exclusively for those who are fully vaccinated
uk.news.yahoo.com
Foo Fighters: Former fans ‘throw albums in bin’ after band announce ‘no vaccine, no gig’ policy
Concert policy is designed to comply with current rules on mass gatherings in New York
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
The same small number of "fans" will be protesting other groups who do the same. They will be selling fake POV's like scalpers used to sell tickets.Foo Fighters fans are throwing a tantrum after the band announced a gig exclusively for those who are fully vaccinated
Foo Fighters: Former fans ‘throw albums in bin’ after band announce ‘no vaccine, no gig’ policy
Concert policy is designed to comply with current rules on mass gatherings in New York
potroastV2
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Foo Fighters fans are throwing a tantrum after the band announced a gig exclusively for those who are fully vaccinated
Foo Fighters: Former fans ‘throw albums in bin’ after band announce ‘no vaccine, no gig’ policy
Concert policy is designed to comply with current rules on mass gatherings in New York
I'm sure that the band will require the stage crew to be vaccinated too.
Fogdog
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Thanks! You gave me two more boxes to check off on my antivaxxer bingo card.I'm not convinced either way, but there's some pretty good logic here as compared to pure emotion/promotion/corruption pushing the other way.
Does anyone here really trust big Pharma? They seem to be benefitting the most from this. Follow the money, always.
18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
A few friends have asked my thoughts on the covid jab(s) so I thought it was time to write an article on the topic.All my friends had not heard most of the details I shared, so I figured you might appreciate hearing some of what I told them.Knowing how contentious this issue is, part of me would...
DIY-HP-LED
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Good news for the J&J vaccine and millions of doses set to expire, maybe a military airlift to Mexico and Central America?
They are now labeling the emergent dominate variants, those who are winning Darwin's race of contagion, A,B,C and the Indian variant is now called Delta, A, I assume was the original strain. Each successive strain appears to be more contagious than the last and begins to dominate in the population, highest R0 number wins.
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We know vaccines are working against new COVID variants. Now scientists are starting to understand why.
Since the emergence of new COVID-19 variants, experts have worried that the virus may have developed mutations allowing it to outmaneuver existing vaccines.
Early laboratory studies proved worrisome, showing vaccines seemed to produce far fewer virus-fighting antibodies against some of the newer variants. But real-world experience didn't match those concerns -- people seemed to develop good protection, even when exposed to new variants.
Now, after months of research, vaccine experts across the globe are learning that vaccines still mostly work -- even when those antibodies fail to show up in great numbers -- thanks to other crucial parts of the body's immune system.
"One of the reasons why the vaccines are holding up against variants is they do raise a broad array of immune responses," said Dr. Dan Barouch, director of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. "We speculate that multiple immune parameters may contribute to the protection observed by this vaccine against variants."
In a recent study, Barouch and some colleagues showed that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine prompted all different parts of the immune system to react. Crucially, the study helped reinforce the importance of so-called "killer" T-cells in defending against viral variants, including the worrisome "Beta" variant first identified in South America.
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They are now labeling the emergent dominate variants, those who are winning Darwin's race of contagion, A,B,C and the Indian variant is now called Delta, A, I assume was the original strain. Each successive strain appears to be more contagious than the last and begins to dominate in the population, highest R0 number wins.
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We know vaccines are working against new COVID variants. Now scientists are starting to understand why.
Since the emergence of new COVID-19 variants, experts have worried that the virus may have developed mutations allowing it to outmaneuver existing vaccines.
Early laboratory studies proved worrisome, showing vaccines seemed to produce far fewer virus-fighting antibodies against some of the newer variants. But real-world experience didn't match those concerns -- people seemed to develop good protection, even when exposed to new variants.
Now, after months of research, vaccine experts across the globe are learning that vaccines still mostly work -- even when those antibodies fail to show up in great numbers -- thanks to other crucial parts of the body's immune system.
"One of the reasons why the vaccines are holding up against variants is they do raise a broad array of immune responses," said Dr. Dan Barouch, director of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. "We speculate that multiple immune parameters may contribute to the protection observed by this vaccine against variants."
In a recent study, Barouch and some colleagues showed that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine prompted all different parts of the immune system to react. Crucially, the study helped reinforce the importance of so-called "killer" T-cells in defending against viral variants, including the worrisome "Beta" variant first identified in South America.
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DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
Red states keep refusing to get vaccinated as the GOP’s sociopathic COVID-19 lies take on a life of their own - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
Red states keep refusing to get vaccinated as the GOP’s sociopathic COVID-19 lies take on a life of their own
In the past six months, we've all witnessed the near-miraculous effectiveness of the vaccines against COVID-19 and President Joe Biden's success at turning the joke of Donald Trump's vaccine plan into a well-oiled machine. Anyone who wants the shot in the U.S. can get it. Yet, despite an initial surge of interest in vaccines in the mid-spring, there's been a drastic drop-off in vaccination rates just ahead of Biden's Independence Day goal for a return to summer grilling.
This article was originally published at Salon
"The United States is averaging fewer than 1 million shots per day, a decline of more than two-thirds from the peak of 3.4 million in April," the Washington Post reports, noting that "mall armies of health workers and volunteers often outnumber the people showing up to get shots at clinics" in more conservative areas like Utah, North Carolina and Tennessee.
Raw Story Exclusive: Michael Cohen Says
Indictments Coming Within 60 days
"Experts are concerned that states across the South, where vaccination rates are lagging, could face a surge in coronavirus cases over the summer," the New York Times further reports. While many states in the Northeast have reached Biden's 70% benchmark, the Times notes that only "about half of adults or fewer have received a dose" in 15 red states.
As vaccine rates have been lagging, a number of reasons for what tends to be called "vaccine hesitancy" have been documented through polls and other research. Issues include a lack of access, skepticism that COVID-19 is particularly dangerous, a lack of trust in the vaccines, a belief in conspiracy theories and fear of side effects.
No doubt all these aspects are true to one extent or another, and there's certainly evidence that some working-class people simply are struggling to find the time to get the shots and recover from them. But the glaring geographical differences give away the one deeply uncomfortable reality about what is driving much, if not most, of the discrepancies in vaccination rates: Republicans are refusing to get vaccinated out of pure spite.
Both Trump and Fox News made it clear in the early days of the pandemic that taking COVID-19 seriously is something only hated liberals would do. To show their right-wing bona fides, it was important for Republican voters to refuse to do anything that would suggest they are concerned about getting sick, which would be seen as disloyalty not only to Trump but to the right-wing cause. This is even though Trump himself got very sick from COVID-19 and then, as soon as it was available, got the vaccine. And it clearly persists, even though the political usefulness of COVID-19 denialism ended when Trump's presidency did.
more...
Red states keep refusing to get vaccinated as the GOP’s sociopathic COVID-19 lies take on a life of their own
In the past six months, we've all witnessed the near-miraculous effectiveness of the vaccines against COVID-19 and President Joe Biden's success at turning the joke of Donald Trump's vaccine plan into a well-oiled machine. Anyone who wants the shot in the U.S. can get it. Yet, despite an initial surge of interest in vaccines in the mid-spring, there's been a drastic drop-off in vaccination rates just ahead of Biden's Independence Day goal for a return to summer grilling.
This article was originally published at Salon
"The United States is averaging fewer than 1 million shots per day, a decline of more than two-thirds from the peak of 3.4 million in April," the Washington Post reports, noting that "mall armies of health workers and volunteers often outnumber the people showing up to get shots at clinics" in more conservative areas like Utah, North Carolina and Tennessee.
Raw Story Exclusive: Michael Cohen Says
Indictments Coming Within 60 days
"Experts are concerned that states across the South, where vaccination rates are lagging, could face a surge in coronavirus cases over the summer," the New York Times further reports. While many states in the Northeast have reached Biden's 70% benchmark, the Times notes that only "about half of adults or fewer have received a dose" in 15 red states.
As vaccine rates have been lagging, a number of reasons for what tends to be called "vaccine hesitancy" have been documented through polls and other research. Issues include a lack of access, skepticism that COVID-19 is particularly dangerous, a lack of trust in the vaccines, a belief in conspiracy theories and fear of side effects.
No doubt all these aspects are true to one extent or another, and there's certainly evidence that some working-class people simply are struggling to find the time to get the shots and recover from them. But the glaring geographical differences give away the one deeply uncomfortable reality about what is driving much, if not most, of the discrepancies in vaccination rates: Republicans are refusing to get vaccinated out of pure spite.
Both Trump and Fox News made it clear in the early days of the pandemic that taking COVID-19 seriously is something only hated liberals would do. To show their right-wing bona fides, it was important for Republican voters to refuse to do anything that would suggest they are concerned about getting sick, which would be seen as disloyalty not only to Trump but to the right-wing cause. This is even though Trump himself got very sick from COVID-19 and then, as soon as it was available, got the vaccine. And it clearly persists, even though the political usefulness of COVID-19 denialism ended when Trump's presidency did.
more...