Will You Take The Vaccine?

Are you going to take the corona virus vaccine?

  • No.

  • Yes.


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hanimmal

Well-Known Member
You are self-radicalized into thinking that anyone with an alternate view must have been propagandized, however you are sadly mistaken in this case, as her position stems from first-hand experiences, not your couch-ridden experiences of your own self-believing propaganda.
First hand experiences of a virus that is a year old. You are so ridiculous in your defense of the stupid shit that everyone is seeing spammed everywhere by the bullshit anti-vaxx propaganda.

I love the 'I know you are but what am I troll' that you trolls use when you know you have shit to defend the lies that foreign dictators have been shown to have been pushing. This is not my 'feels' or any radicalization against the very dangerous shit that you peddle, this is reality.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
You have no idea what you're talking about. Here's a ongoing study over the past 35 years on human corona viruses. Natural immunity from infection lasts a average 12 months. But I'm sure your favorite Q websites will say it's fake news.


So, the way they have defined "reinfection" is based on spikes in antibodies over periods of time. Unfortunately that's a poor way to define reinfection, because all it's really saying is that the person's system was exposed to the virus, and as a result then produced elevated antibodies against the virus, That's exactly what we want! Notice how your barely talks about T cells and B cells, which are really the big fighters in terms of natural immunity, and have been proven to persist in a person's system over decades. The abstract you posted does say this though:

"However, antibodies are only one marker for immunity, which is probably also influenced by B cell- and T cell-mediated immunity."
 

printer

Well-Known Member
Well lookey here. Over a hundred health care workers also don't want to get force-jabbed, and are suing their employer. I heard that number is about to jump up to close to 50 more who don't want to get jabbed also jumping on the suit. But I guess over a hundred health care workers are wrong, and are making up shit about the reactions they have seen first hand in patients:

Houston Medical has 2,500 beds. That is a lot of employees. The hospital I worked at has 800 beds and we have 8,000 people working there.

And health care workers range from nurses and doctors to cleaning staff. To find 100 in at least 10,000 people is not a stretch. Especially in Trump country.
 

TacoMac

Well-Known Member
They have also found a genetic link to people that are asymptomatic, seems that some lucky people have a genetic advantage to fighting the virus.
That's true with most any virus. It's why some people get the flu every year and some don't. The real issue is that nobody is monitored for their entire lives so that we know what they've come in contact with or not and prepared them for the immunity they have or don't have.
 

printer

Well-Known Member
Many people have been infected after getting the jab. So much for your "vaccine".
We have a few people in ICU that have been infected, most became infected before the two weeks for your body has a chance to build up a full immune response. OK, let us say that she is not full of shit. What is the alternative to the vaccines?
 

captainmorgan

Well-Known Member
So, the way they have defined "reinfection" is based on spikes in antibodies over periods of time. Unfortunately that's a poor way to define reinfection, because all it's really saying is that the person's system was exposed to the virus, and as a result then produced elevated antibodies against the virus, That's exactly what we want! Notice how your barely talks about T cells and B cells, which are really the big fighters in terms of natural immunity, and have been proven to persist in a person's system over decades. The abstract you posted does say this though:

"However, antibodies are only one marker for immunity, which is probably also influenced by B cell- and T cell-mediated immunity."
Yeah those damn sneaky scientists,you can't trust any of them. 35 year study means they were in on the development of covid-19 from the start. It's all a liberal plot to depopulate the planet for the BLM takeover.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
We have a few people in ICU that have been infected, most became infected before the two weeks for your body has a chance to build up a full immune response. OK, let us say that she is not full of shit. What is the alternative to the vaccines?
Nutrition, exercise, vitamins (especially D), and developing a strong immune system. Why aren't any of these aspects prioritized in the covid recovery plan. Heck, way back at the start of the pandemic when Fauci was asked what he did for prevention, he said vitamin D. Why isn't he making sure that every american gets plenty vitamin D? It would be super simple and cheap.

Look, I'm not going to say that the covid shot isn't potentially beneficial to some groups of people at high risk, but trying to mandate that kids get the shot when they don't even get covid is fkn stupid.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
So, the way they have defined "reinfection" is based on spikes in antibodies over periods of time. Unfortunately that's a poor way to define reinfection, because all it's really saying is that the person's system was exposed to the virus, and as a result then produced elevated antibodies against the virus, That's exactly what we want! Notice how your barely talks about T cells and B cells, which are really the big fighters in terms of natural immunity, and have been proven to persist in a person's system over decades. The abstract you posted does say this though:

"However, antibodies are only one marker for immunity, which is probably also influenced by B cell- and T cell-mediated immunity."
And those people continue to incubate the virus as it mutates and the people like yourself who are not able to be vaccinated, for a totally legit believable reason, are put at greater risks anytime you end up around people shedding virus all over you and your family/friends.


But all of this is bullshit when you consider that our nation is currently under attack from foreign trolls that is now getting pretty scarily close to turning into a hot war, which no human should want to see.

Unfortunately though the very people who are actively praying for the end of the world, this gets waved off as insignificant and they get to feel all warm and fuzzy in these hateful dangerous propaganda that anti-vaccine trolls push.
 

TacoMac

Well-Known Member
Yeah those damn sneaky scientists,you can't trust any of them. 35 year study means they were in on the development of covid-19 from the start. It's all a liberal plot to depopulate the planet for the BLM takeover.
You know of course that they're going to pick that up and run with it. Don't you?
 

printer

Well-Known Member
Nutrition, exercise, vitamins (especially D), and developing a strong immune system. Why aren't any of these aspects prioritized in the covid recovery plan. Heck, way back at the start of the pandemic when Fauci was asked what he did for prevention, he said vitamin D. Why isn't he making sure that every american gets plenty vitamin D? It would be super simple and cheap.

Look, I'm not going to say that the covid shot isn't potentially beneficial to some groups of people at high risk, but trying to mandate that kids get the shot when they don't even get covid is fkn stupid.
So Vitamin D is a vaccine? Wow, and the stuff is dirt cheap. I would guess anyone that works outdoors should not get the virus. Mind you, if they work outside they have better ventilation than most people. Strong immunity system? Well that does take time doesn't it? Not something developed in a few months. How many people in the US are overweight?

"In the United States, 36.5 percent of adults are obese. Another 32.5 percent of American adults are overweight. In all, more than two-thirds of adults in the United States are overweight or obese. "

In Canada we are doing a little better, knock of 5% on both numbers.

‘This can happen to anybody,’ says B.C. fitness trainer, 33, hospitalized with COVID-19
A B.C. man says he’s living proof that COVID-19 can seriously affect anyone, no matter young or healthy they are.

Tarik Rahimin, 33, has spent most of his adult life working in the nutritional supplements industry, and has been a personal trainer for nearly a decade. A nutritious diet, vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and exercise, he told Global News, are all central to his lifestyle.

“Health is wealth,” he said.

But it wasn’t enough to keep Rahimin out of the emergency room at Surrey Memorial Hospital after he contracted a COVID-19 variant in early April.

“My hands were turning purple, yellow and blue, so they got me on oxygen right away,” he said.

“It felt like I was hit by a tank. I’ve played sports, I’ve done martial arts … I’ve lifted heavy weights — I’ve never in my 33 years experienced anything like this. It felt like I was literally gasping for air, for the last breath, every single time.”

After nearly 10 days, Rahimin recovered enough to no longer need oxygen, and to begin to walk around, move and eat again.

“When people get it and you’re like, oh, maybe it’s someone who has asthma, maybe it’s someone who’s diabetic,” he said.

“For me, being at the age I am and I don’t have any of those, it just makes you aware that it can get anybody. You can be fit, you can do all the proper things, you just don’t know.”

I get the feeling you just don't know PJ.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
So Vitamin D is a vaccine? Wow, and the stuff is dirt cheap. I would guess anyone that works outdoors should not get the virus. Mind you, if they work outside they have better ventilation than most people. Strong immunity system? Well that does take time doesn't it? Not something developed in a few months. How many people in the US are overweight?

"In the United States, 36.5 percent of adults are obese. Another 32.5 percent of American adults are overweight. In all, more than two-thirds of adults in the United States are overweight or obese. "

In Canada we are doing a little better, knock of 5% on both numbers.

‘This can happen to anybody,’ says B.C. fitness trainer, 33, hospitalized with COVID-19
A B.C. man says he’s living proof that COVID-19 can seriously affect anyone, no matter young or healthy they are.

Tarik Rahimin, 33, has spent most of his adult life working in the nutritional supplements industry, and has been a personal trainer for nearly a decade. A nutritious diet, vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and exercise, he told Global News, are all central to his lifestyle.

“Health is wealth,” he said.

But it wasn’t enough to keep Rahimin out of the emergency room at Surrey Memorial Hospital after he contracted a COVID-19 variant in early April.

“My hands were turning purple, yellow and blue, so they got me on oxygen right away,” he said.

“It felt like I was hit by a tank. I’ve played sports, I’ve done martial arts … I’ve lifted heavy weights — I’ve never in my 33 years experienced anything like t“It felt like I was hit by a tank. I’ve played sports, I’ve done martial arts … I’ve lifted heavy weights — I’ve never in my 33 years experienced anything like this. It felt like I was literally gasping for air, for the last breath, every single time.” his. It felt like I was literally gasping for air, for the last breath, every single time.”

After nearly 10 days, Rahimin recovered enough to no longer need oxygen, and to begin to walk around, move and eat again.

“When people get it and you’re like, oh, maybe it’s someone who has asthma, maybe it’s someone who’s diabetic,” he said.

“For me, being at the age I am and I don’t have any of those, it just makes you aware that it can get anybody. You can be fit, you can do all the proper things, you just don’t know.”

I get the feeling you just don't know PJ.
Vitamin D might help some people who are deficient to survive and perhaps avoid the worst covid outcomes, but people in India and Brazil get lots of sunshine. Body fat sequesters vitamin D (oil soluble), so people who are overweight should probably take more vitamin D to maintain adequate blood levels. Getting covid is a crap shoot and much depends on your genetic propensity, vaccines work and diet and fitness are no substitute for getting vaccinated.

Many fitness and health fanatics in their 30s and 40s think they are so healthy and in such good condition they are above getting seriously ill with covid, WRONG! If you are genetically susceptible, you will die or be fucked for life from covid no matter how healthy you think you are. There are tens of thousands of young people who used to be in great shape and who survived covid with heart and lung damage, now they can't climb a flight of stairs without becoming winded and exhausted. They are probably fucked for life and won't ever be the same again.

The super healthy fitness fanatics are among those who are vaccine resistant, but not the ones with brains.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Genetic Link Discovered Explaining Why Some People Who Catch COVID-19 Don't Become Sick (scitechdaily.com)

Genetic Link Discovered Explaining Why Some People Who Catch COVID-19 Don’t Become Sick

The first evidence of a genetic link explaining why some people who catch Covid-19 don’t become sick has been discovered.

A scientific and medical team led by Newcastle University, UK, has demonstrated that the gene, HLA-DRB1*04:01, is found three times as often in people who are asymptomatic. This suggests that people with this gene have some level of protection from severe Covid.

The study, funded by Innovate UK, the UK’s innovation agency, compared asymptomatic people to patients from the same community who developed severe Covid but had no underlying illnesses, and is published in the HLA journal.

The study team believe this is the first clear evidence of genetic resistance because this study compared severely affected people with an asymptomatic COVID group and used next generation sequencing to focus in detail and at scale on the HLA genes which are packed together on chromosome 6. Other studies have scanned the whole genome but that approach is less effective in the tissue typing complex.

Genome wide studies can be likened to a satellite image. The high density and complexity of the histocompatibility complex and variation in different populations means significant variation can be overlooked. For example, different alleles or versions of the same gene could have opposite effects on the immune response. This study was much more focused and compared symptomatic to asymptomatic in the same population revealing the “protective” qualities of the allele.

It is known that the human leukocyte antigen gene identified, HLA-DRB1*04:01, is directly correlated to latitude and longitude. This means more people in the North and West of Europe are likely to have this gene.

This suggests that populations of European descent will be more likely to remain asymptomatic but still transmit the disease to susceptible populations.

Dr. Carlos Echevarria from the Translational and Clinical Research Institute, Newcastle University who also works as a Respiratory Consultant in the Newcastle Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust and is a co-author of the paper says: “This is an important finding as it may explain why some people catch Covid but don’t get sick.

“It could lead us to a genetic test which may indicate who we need to prioritize for future vaccinations.”

“At a population level, this is important for us to know because when we have lots of people who are resistant, so they catch Covid but don’t show symptoms, then they risk spreading the virus while asymptomatic.”

The effect of genes being linked to geolocation is an accepted scientific concept and it is well known that HLA genes develop over generations in reaction to disease-causing pathogens.

Study author, David Langton, whose company ExplantLab helped fund the study through an Innovate UK research award, added: “Some of the most interesting findings were the relationships between longitude and latitude and HLA gene frequency. It has long been known that the incidence of multiple sclerosis increases with increasing latitude. This has been put down in part to reduced UV exposure and therefore lower vitamin D levels. We weren’t aware, however, that one of the main risk genes for MS, that is DRB1*15:01, directly correlates to latitude.

“This highlights the complex interaction between environment, genetics, and disease. We know some HLA genes are vitamin D responsive, and that low vitamin D levels are a risk factor for severe COVID and we are doing further work in this area.

The study used samples from 49 patients with severe Covid who had been hospitalized with respiratory failure, samples from an asymptomatic group of 69 hospital workers who had tested positive through routine blood antibody testing and a control group from a study into the relationship between HLA genotypes and the outcomes of joint replacement surgery.

The research used next generation sequencing machines to study the different versions, or alleles, of the HLA genes in depth which was combined with a variety of expertise and modeling. The work was limited to samples from North East England during the first lockdown, this reduced variation in the study groups but more studies will be needed in the UK and other populations as there may be different copies of the HLA genes providing resistance in other populations.

Reference: “The influence of HLA genotype on the severity of COVID-19 infection: by David J. Langton, Stephen C. Bourke, Benedicte A. Lie, Gabrielle Reiff, Shonali Natu, Rebecca Darlay, John Burn and Carlos Echevarria, 25 April 2021, HLA.
DOI: 10.1111/tan.14284

The work was a collaboration between Newcastle University, Newcastle Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, Northumbria Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust as well as the James Cook University Hospital and North Tees and Hartlepool Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust.

Co-author, Professor Sir John Burn, Professor of Clinical Genetics at Newcastle University said: “SARS Cov-2 is one of the greatest threats Mankind has faced. The more we understand why some people become sick, the better we can defend ourselves against this virus and others like it in future.”
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Nutrition, exercise, vitamins (especially D), and developing a strong immune system. Why aren't any of these aspects prioritized in the covid recovery plan. Heck, way back at the start of the pandemic when Fauci was asked what he did for prevention, he said vitamin D. Why isn't he making sure that every american gets plenty vitamin D? It would be super simple and cheap.

Look, I'm not going to say that the covid shot isn't potentially beneficial to some groups of people at high risk, but trying to mandate that kids get the shot when they don't even get covid is fkn stupid.
LOL

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I checked off three boxes from PJ's post.
 
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