preoQpydDlusion
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Med, im diggin the new pic, by the way
Why is Communism bad?
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OK, first of all what has ever stopped US from getting involved ? here is just a short and probobly not complete list of countryes where we were meddling in established governments: Irak,Afganistan(1979-1991, 2001-now), Columbia (1980s-present),Cuba,Vietnam,Korea,Nicaragua,Somalia,Iran,Lebanon and the entire western urope during the cold war...As per minimum wage we do not have to influense the countryes them selves ,all we have to do is to pass a law that any US corporation has to pay minimum wage,no matter where the factoryes are located. The way I see it this corporations benefit enourmously by beeng protected by our military and gouverment,its time they did something for our foregn policy,paying minimum wage world wide will do wonders and wallmart will still make profit.
7xstall
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universal min wage is not even worth writing about until you figure out how to have a universal currency.
once you do that you'd have to take all the population on earth and then determine a universal poverty level; add the global economies together and divide by population, production capacity. with all things considered you would find that the current min wage in the U.S. is extremely excessive.
if you think we have socio-economic stratification now, just wait until we have your universal min wage! ultra-rich, ultra-poor...that's it.
once you do that you'd have to take all the population on earth and then determine a universal poverty level; add the global economies together and divide by population, production capacity. with all things considered you would find that the current min wage in the U.S. is extremely excessive.
if you think we have socio-economic stratification now, just wait until we have your universal min wage! ultra-rich, ultra-poor...that's it.
medicineman
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if you think we have socio-economic stratification now, just wait until we have your universal min wage! ultra-rich, ultra-poor...that's it. I believe we're headed in that direction already. Bush and the Neocons want a one world Govt. (Order) and a unified world wage would be part of that plan I suppose, and you can bet it wouldn't increase our standard of living, like you say, ultra rich-Ultra poor, you can see the middle class slipping away as we speak!
medicineman
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Thanks, one of my clones heads! White widow. Stoney. I thought it was pretty stoney and then got a second opinion that confirmed it.
420penguin
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Since foreign powers are buying bonds from us to fund over a third of our deficit, I find it difficult to believe that our economy is bankrupt. And if the rest of the world's financial accumen is so poor well then the whole world is fucked and we'll be back in feudalism in 10 years.
420penguin
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Man I wish it had.
What you're mentioning here is completely correct. But it's funny as Americans frequently don't hear it. They think immigration is "bad" here in the states but they can't even imagine other caucasians coming from other states and wanting to live in their own. Let alone work for their job at a lesser rate. (which is what is happening in Western Europe).
I'm a big globalism fan personally. It makes the world a really interesting colorful place.
420penguin
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No, they actually don't. Despite the popularity of persecuting Wal-Mart they are actually under pressure from many other companies. Target is breathing hard down their neck as is ebay and amazon.com. It would take unified state action(I.E. U.S. embargo) in order to effect change. But where should we embargo first...the place that makes kids work for donuts or the place that hacks the limbs off of kids and cuts the clits off of pre-adolescent girls?
The world is full of evil. If you've got so much time on your hands to fix the world...maybe you should go save a life instead of trying to improve the bottom line of a third world peasant.
420penguin
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You were fucked over in Capitalism. But you would never have even had the chance to be fucked over in Socialism or Communism. You wouldn't have the chance to run The Man's factory for him. You'd be limited to whatever you scored on in high school. And your interest in social drugs would also be noted. The fact that you hang with stoners would be yet another reason to deny even giving you a 1% increase in your living expenses.
I'm glad I finally know why you personally think that communism is such a grand idea. But I remain unmoved in my believe that you would have been just as miserable if not more so under an alternative government.
420penguin
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You seriously need to reconsider the words you're using. Poor=difficult to feed yourself or your family. Poor=Difficult to be homeless. Being given an opportunity at knowledge that you will hopefully use to earn a good career later on is certainly not poor. I have no idea what you majored in or where you interned at. But bemoaning how difficult it will be to pay for a COLLEGE LEVEL EDUCATION when others are having a hard time keeping the kids off of malaria...does not make your poor.
No capitalism is the exact opposite of Anarchy. It's starched khakis, fat white guys, short hair cuts, toeing the line and working the corporate hours. Or at least that's what it is for a lot of the wageslaves.
And it's obviously not gone down the shitter. America being able to topple two nations in a few years is not the definition of going down the shitter. Plus Americans are living longer than ever. Again, not a sign of going down the shitter. American unemployment is less than 5%...not a sign of going down the shitter.
And as for poor guys "infiltrating the big wig club"? The big wig club existed before America did. And they have safeties to prevent just what you're talking about. It's the difference betwee "new money" and "old money." So even if you make yourself a billionaire this lifetime there are inner circles...those who make big decisions...who will never listen to a word you or your children have to say. After your family has become a rockefeller or kennedy...then you have a chance of making huge changes in the nation. But even then it would be incremental. You might be able to change the world 5% in one way or another.
You've got a better chance of just realizing that there are new amazing technologies that are going to make food available to all of us, everywhere. There are other technologies that are going to let kids in the Sudan watch and maybe interact with classes at Stanford.
420penguin
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Holy crap! Another Global Thinker. So far it's you, me and Vi.
medicineman
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Holy crap! Another Global Thinker. So far it's you, me and Vi.
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Don't forget your friend Wavels, the fearsom foursom. sounds like you dudes ought to get together and have a poker game, brings lots of scotch whiskey and guns, I'll bet that'd be a party.
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Don't forget your friend Wavels, the fearsom foursom. sounds like you dudes ought to get together and have a poker game, brings lots of scotch whiskey and guns, I'll bet that'd be a party.
420penguin
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character assasination and generalization adds a lot to the debate. Guess it would take too much time to continue arguing? Look, I know the world is really nasty and confusing right now. But simplistic governments that failed 70 years ago aren't going to help us figure out how to live as human beings in this crazy assed world.
There are things to be done that we probably agree on. But don't expect me to start dreaming about a day when capitalism doesn't exist.
420penguin
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And of all those nations we have succeeded at changing what? America completely screwed the pooch in changing all of those situations. So if we failed at changing them, how in the hell are we going to change semi-nice nations that let their kids work for shit in salary?
preoQpydDlusion
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Straight up, Fuck you. you dont know me, and if u think u do just cuz u heard me bitchin about college, ur fuckin stupid. i dont go to college. i live in a house that doesnt have heat n warm water half the time. (in MI thats a big deal.) the only time i eat is when i get my shitty 15 min break from dishwashing at work to get greasy heated up food that wasnt pretty enough to be served to the patrons of the restaurant.
but anybody in america can get into college. get ur student loans, go to community college, bust ur ass. get student loans, go to a better college, and in 30-40 yrs u might be livin an easier life.
this is what i was talkin about.
no, government is the exact opposite of anarchy. somebodys fashion is a bit unrelated to the topic.
if we lived in an anarchy, then when u get right down to it, u could do whatever u want to do. (and yes i know that militias and gangs would end up taking over, so there would still be a ruling class. oh and people would die, probably alot.)
capitalism fuels the freedom that we have in this country. this freedom is similar, at least at face value, to anarchy.
keep up with me penguin, if u wanna get off by proving everybody wrong, u might as well try to understand what ur arguing about.
wow, u think our economy is still in good shape because of the level of oppression we're spreading across the world? the countries our armed forces are fucking w/ are several decades behind us in military tech. oh and being able to jump over a car isnt the definition of an open implementation platform.
yeah, this doesnt prove me wrong. the only way to redistribute the wealth in this country is to actually do it, rather than wait for the government to do it for us. it isnt big news to say that itd be tough to do it.
thats pretty cool. i didnt know about that. u know if u didnt spend so much time giving these half-assed rebuttals to stoners who really dont give a fuck, u could probly spread some cool, positive info from time to time. just post where u get ur info from. i can hear fake bs from ppl all day long...
i give up on communism, and u pissed me off with ur judging my wealth. score 2 points fer penguin.
420penguin
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And here is your original statement:
You don't seem to realize how college is supposed work. Or how it works for many people. College gave me skills that made me enormously useful to companies despite my crazy haircuts, lack of playing the company game, etc. And I'm still making payments on my student loans: less than 3 digits a month and yet I'm pulling in a ton more than I would without the degree.
You're poor. I used to be poor. I went to college. I'm not poor anymore. I understand your struggle and that's why I support(literally with my taxes and right now with my words) that you go to college to improve your live. That's my hand up to you.
I HOWEVER DO NOT SUPPORT SOME DUMBASS GOVERNMENT SYSTEM THAT WOULD MAKE YOU EARN THE SAME MONEY AS ME.
If you want my life, go to college or figure out something nifty that people want to buy. Then you'll have it. But it's not my obligation to give you my life.
Here we agree. But in your earlier statement:
There is no agreement. Capitalism isn't the closest thing to Anarchy. Darfur or other war zones are the closest things to Anarchy. The West Banks are the closest thing to Anarchy on this planet.
Brother, I'm keeping up and lapping your ass. You keep talking but you're not bringing anything new to the table. You're got the internet or you wouldn't be here. Why not spend a few hours at wikipedia?
Our economy is still going well for all the reasons I listed. But don't think that I consider our military stategies to be effective. We're not oppressing a damn thing. We caused a civil war in Iraq. We've incited a terrorist action in Afghanistan. Sure we can kick their asses militarily but we're completely inept at ruling others nations.
That said, we still have a great economy. Low unemployment, high GNP, and rising stock prices.
Dude, you're back to wishland again. Everything would be good for YOU if wealth was redistributed. Well good for you. You don't think that the people who worked for that wealth wouldn't or aren't fighting to keep it?
Dude, I'm the only person who's posted a link in this entire fucking argument. To start trying to call bullshit on me is a bit weak. If you want me to document something, you'll have to say what though. We've talked a lot and I don't know what you're beefing about.
Dude, I'm glad to hear that you realize communism is shit. But I didn't judge your wealth and I won't judge your wealth to the extent that you decide to live at the level you're at. I've got friends with no cash and they're cool with it. We hang. But when they start beefing about this same nonsense I call bullshit on them as well. If you don't like working at the shitty restaurant than look for something else.
preoQpydDlusion
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<just curious, how old do i seem to be?>
man, u really love to argue. i say this because half of the stuff u talk about is based on shit i never said.
are you really supporting me with ur taxes?
ill admit i dont know much about the whole college scene. its nice to know that loan payments arent as bad as i thought.
capitalism fuels the freedom that we have in this country. this freedom is similar, at least at face value, to anarchy.
you say ur lapping me, but ur not moving at all. i havent been talking about communism for quite a few posts now, but ur still fixed on proving to me that communism is bs. maybe the thread title is misleading u.
"That said, we still have a great economy. Low unemployment, high GNP, and rising stock prices."
low unemployment doesnt mean shit when alot of jobs cant even support the ppl working.
"Dude, I'm glad to hear that you realize communism is shit. But I didn't judge your wealth and I won't judge your wealth to the extent that you decide to live at the level you're at."
yeah, u did judge, but thats ok. borderline personality dissorder + detroit public schooling = no scholarships. michigan has a real bad economy, jobs are scarce. almost non-existent. so like i said, unless i wanna go to college or start callin up some heavy hookups im kinda screwed. its a bit harsh to say that i decided to live at the level im at.
i dont even know what im arguin about, so im out
man, u really love to argue. i say this because half of the stuff u talk about is based on shit i never said.
are you really supporting me with ur taxes?
ill admit i dont know much about the whole college scene. its nice to know that loan payments arent as bad as i thought.
capitalism fuels the freedom that we have in this country. this freedom is similar, at least at face value, to anarchy.
you say ur lapping me, but ur not moving at all. i havent been talking about communism for quite a few posts now, but ur still fixed on proving to me that communism is bs. maybe the thread title is misleading u.
"That said, we still have a great economy. Low unemployment, high GNP, and rising stock prices."
low unemployment doesnt mean shit when alot of jobs cant even support the ppl working.
"Dude, I'm glad to hear that you realize communism is shit. But I didn't judge your wealth and I won't judge your wealth to the extent that you decide to live at the level you're at."
yeah, u did judge, but thats ok. borderline personality dissorder + detroit public schooling = no scholarships. michigan has a real bad economy, jobs are scarce. almost non-existent. so like i said, unless i wanna go to college or start callin up some heavy hookups im kinda screwed. its a bit harsh to say that i decided to live at the level im at.
i dont even know what im arguin about, so im out
Penguin,Were you ever poor?I really dont think so,you are one of those self proclaimed yuppie libertarians who think they know all, but I think you always had the safty net of enherytance that you heavily invested, because you so smart...Me and preQ come from the same place , however ,life long wage slavery is not for me, I have plans Nigga~!! Its been cool chatting but heres the final message from me: Grow trees , Buy guns, Pile amo , GROW YOUR CLAN!!!! Cause that anarchy you boys talking about is already begun...
Dont mean to judge ,but i callem as i seeem...
Dont mean to judge ,but i callem as i seeem...
420penguin
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hey cocksucker1 and cocksucker2. yeah. I had issues with cash. couldn't afford fucking milk. got all skinny and shit. fought with mom over the choice of food over the gass bill.
so fuck you and your stupid assumptions on the "rich".
motherfuckers, I ain't rich. after years and years of busting my ass I can finally hang. So don't doubt my assumptions.
I'll come back when I'm reasonable and pick your stupid fucking assumptions apart one by one. In the meanwhile understand this. If we were in a bbq joint instead of this stupid online bullshit understand this. I'd have my fist all up in your fucking face you lazy ass pansies.
so fuck you and your stupid assumptions on the "rich".
motherfuckers, I ain't rich. after years and years of busting my ass I can finally hang. So don't doubt my assumptions.
I'll come back when I'm reasonable and pick your stupid fucking assumptions apart one by one. In the meanwhile understand this. If we were in a bbq joint instead of this stupid online bullshit understand this. I'd have my fist all up in your fucking face you lazy ass pansies.
