Why do you reject the theory of evolution?

cannabineer

cannabineer

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burgertime2010 said:
Bible question...are Jews cool still? How did the chosen people thing play out? I think that kind of flattery would get people to sign up.
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From what I recall, the New Testament constitutes the opening of Judaism and its blessed status to all people. The tyranny of heredity was broken, along with the tyranny of all the codices (the Law). Judaism became a choice rather than a heritage, a moral and religious decision. I disagree with those exclusivist Christian sectarians who fail to claim, or seek to distinguish themselves, from the plural body of the saved.
Mind you, I am an agnostic atheist, but i am sensitive to the goodness that resides in the greater faith.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Padawanbater2 said:
"Suspend the analytical mind when using imagination to amplify ideas" - what does that mean?
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From my perspective it means to meditate and quiet my mind to a point that I can listen for solutions to problems. The mind is pretty tricky no matter the person or degree of education. To get to a new discovery it is very important to get passed the biases we have but that can't happen while actively analysing. It takes passivity to receive what could be a boon to you in the future.

I propose a test for you. Sit down in a quiet environment and listen to how many thoughts you have. It is ridiculously frustrating to realize that 'they' don't want to stop!

(I am going to edit this with caution: the killing that you read about in various scripture relates to 'killing' erroneous thought. Persons in scriptures are represented as something we can understand because we have the best vantage point being that we are people also. Thoughts aren't people but people's actions are the result of thought - or a lack of it. When a thought leads to someone being harmed is it the one to "kill", figuratively speaking 'put an end to that thought'.)

Holy crap, 'destroy' works there too :)
 
Someacdude

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cannabineer said:
It's important to distinguish between science and the mercenary empires built on technologies.
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But theory is still theory ,its unproven, i havent forgotten this thread ive still been very busy , lots of issues here health wise .
I really would like to write at length about this, after decades of research all facts point to intelligent design , things are just to well made and complicated to have just happened.

I know for a fact if you assembled all the materials to build a house , pvc, fittings, glue, nails, lumber roofing etc and exploded them , no matter how many times it was done you would never make a house. Consider the human eye and its ability to focus faster and more accurate than any camera, man cant even properly fix flawed vision and even with surgery they reverse after awhile.
Things arent just randomly made , someone or something made them.
 
Padawanbater2

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eye exaggerate said:
To get to a new discovery it is very important to get passed the biases we have but that can't happen while actively analysing. It takes passivity to receive what could be a boon to you in the future.
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Do you think it was passivity that came up with vaccinations, the space shuttle, something as complicated as an aircraft carrier, etc?

Do you accept the theory of evolution for the explanation of the diversity of life on Earth today?
 
Zaehet Strife

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Someacdude said:
But theory is still theory ,its unproven
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You do know that the theory of evolution is in the same exact category as the theory of gravity, or the theory of relativity?

You do know that a scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy.

The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics)...One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.

Do you even science bro?
 
Zaehet Strife

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eye exaggerate said:
(I am going to edit this with caution: the killing that you read about in various scripture relates to 'killing' erroneous thought. Persons in scriptures are represented as something we can understand because we have the best vantage point being that we are people also. Thoughts aren't people but people's actions are the result of thought - or a lack of it. When a thought leads to someone being harmed is it the one to "kill", figuratively speaking 'put an end to that thought'.)
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That's the funny thing about the mind, we can create our own meaning out of everything. Even if the scripture is literally saying the word kill, as in to take a life... we can just say to ourselves, "nah, i don't like the sound of that, i'm gonna pretend it means killing thought, yeah... that sounds way better!" "Holy shit! That means i can make the scripture into pretty much anything i want! The possibilities!!!"
 
Someacdude

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Oh i love science , it points to a creator, science cannot make life, can barely understand how we work, assumptions arent facts, theory isnt facts. Science changes every month, how many PROVEN fact are unproven or at least have science scratching its head wondering why these things allude them?
Zaehet Strife said:
You do know that the theory of evolution is in the same exact category as the theory of gravity, or the theory of relativity?

You do know that a scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy.
This i really dont get, it sounds a bit wordy, can you break it down and give me an example regarding creation?
And more importantly, how do i change my font color?

The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics)...One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed.

Do you even science bro?
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Heisenberg

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Someacdude said:
But theory is still theory ,its unproven, i havent forgotten this thread ive still been very busy , lots of issues here health wise .
I really would like to write at length about this, after decades of research all facts point to intelligent design , things are just to well made and complicated to have just happened.
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Research involves more than a simple lack of imagination. Show me one scientific paper which says that because we can't understand how something became so apparently sophisticated, God must have done it. There are none. What you think of as science is simply your limited understanding of it. If you feel this way that is one thing, but to ascribe such an asinine view to science is demonstrably wrong.

I know for a fact if you assembled all the materials to build a house , pvc, fittings, glue, nails, lumber roofing etc and exploded them , no matter how many times it was done you would never make a house.
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False analogy. Evolution is not random, it operates under the filter of natural selection. Something that is selected can not be random. How can you reject a theory you do not fully grasp?


Consider the human eye and its ability to focus faster and more accurate than any camera, man cant even properly fix flawed vision and even with surgery they reverse after awhile.
Things arent just randomly made , someone or something made them.
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They aren't randomly made, science agrees. Those features were selected for by millions of years of environmental pressures. Man's inability to make imperfect vision perfect says nothing about the theory of evolution. I'm not sure why you think that point is relevant.

What you are showing us is the different ways your brain has made excuses and mitigated scientific evidence in order to justify the continued belief that you are special. You reject evolution because you do not understand it beyond seeing it as a threat, and so your thoughts center around marginalizing that threat rather than grasping the theory.

Oh i love science , it points to a creator, science cannot make life, can barely understand how we work, assumptions arent facts, theory isnt facts. Science changes every month, how many PROVEN fact are unproven or at least have science scratching its head wondering why these things allude them?
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So you think science should stagnate and not consider new evidence? You prefer something that claims to have gotten everything right on the first shot, and doesn't refine and adjust? And then despite these flaws you find in science, you think science still agrees with you and posits a creator? You are either not very good at communicating, or not very good at consistent thinking.
 
Kanaplya

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Someacdude said:
But theory is still theory ,its unproven, i havent forgotten this thread ive still been very busy , lots of issues here health wise .
I really would like to write at length about this, after decades of research all facts point to intelligent design , things are just to well made and complicated to have just happened.

I know for a fact if you assembled all the materials to build a house , pvc, fittings, glue, nails, lumber roofing etc and exploded them , no matter how many times it was done you would never make a house. Consider the human eye and its ability to focus faster and more accurate than any camera, man cant even properly fix flawed vision and even with surgery they reverse after awhile.
Things arent just randomly made , someone or something made them.
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What 'facts' point to intelligent design? Human eye? There are animals with much better and more complicated sight, hearing, smell, etc... maybe we should worship them. You gotta stop just making crap up to make your lack of a point. Btw, gravity is just a theory too - maybe we should come up with a more biblical explanation for that too.
 
Kanaplya

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Also, there is this misconception that human neurological processes are much faster and more efficient than any computer. That is simply bullshit and has no basis in science. The complexity of a human body is great but on it is by no means magic and are not special or different than anything else in the universe.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Someacdude said:
But theory is still theory ,its unproven, i havent forgotten this thread ive still been very busy , lots of issues here health wise .
I really would like to write at length about this, after decades of research all facts point to intelligent design , things are just to well made and complicated to have just happened.

I know for a fact if you assembled all the materials to build a house , pvc, fittings, glue, nails, lumber roofing etc and exploded them , no matter how many times it was done you would never make a house. Consider the human eye and its ability to focus faster and more accurate than any camera, man cant even properly fix flawed vision and even with surgery they reverse after awhile.
Things arent just randomly made , someone or something made them.
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The thing that most nonscientists either don't or won't understand about the term "theory" is that it means "as close to proven as we can get". Heck; the existence of the sun, yo you, of me is unproven if you dice the onion finely enough.

I disagree with you about intelligent design. Mind you it isn't disproven, but I see room for the basic premise: we have a very narrow view of things, and are prone to impose anthropomorphism upon our perceptions and ideas of them. I see the concept of intelligent design as very vulnerable to just this sort of thinking: to the man holding a hammer, everything is rated by its degree of nailness.
 
Nevaeh420

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Science is the "religion" of the Atheists.

And there is nothing wrong with that, I wish I knew EVERYTHING about science. Science should be the "religion" of all.

~PEACE~
 
Padawanbater2

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Nevaeh420 said:
Science is the "religion" of the Atheists.

And there is nothing wrong with that, I wish I knew EVERYTHING about science. Science should be the "religion" of all.

~PEACE~
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Science is not a religion, look up the definitions

Making this claim is an attempt to put the two on equal ground, when science requires evidence and religion requires faith - the exact opposite of evidence
 
Zaehet Strife

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Heisenberg said:
Research involves more than a simple lack of imagination. Show me one scientific paper which says that because we can't understand how something became so apparently sophisticated, God must have done it. There are none. What you think of as science is simply your limited understanding of it. If you feel this way that is one thing, but to ascribe such an asinine view to science is demonstrably wrong.



False analogy. Evolution is not random, it operates under the filter of natural selection. Something that is selected can not be random. How can you reject a theory you do not fully grasp?




They aren't randomly made, science agrees. Those features were selected for by millions of years of environmental pressures. Man's inability to make imperfect vision perfect says nothing about the theory of evolution. I'm not sure why you think that point is relevant.

What you are showing us is the different ways your brain has made excuses and mitigated scientific evidence in order to justify the continued belief that you are special. You reject evolution because you do not understand it beyond seeing it as a threat, and so your thoughts center around marginalizing that threat rather than grasping the theory.



So you think science should stagnate and not consider new evidence? You prefer something that claims to have gotten everything right on the first shot, and doesn't refine and adjust? And then despite these flaws you find in science, you think science still agrees with you and posits a creator? You are either not very good at communicating, or not very good at consistent thinking.
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Great reply man.
 
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