Why do you reject the theory of evolution?

Someacdude said:

The missing link is indeed a lie, it has never and will never be found. Every time some scientist tries to claim it, it turns out to either be a hoax like piltdown man or some other mistake.
Science wants to BE GOD , much like Doctors , there is no missing link in the fossil record , in fact ti doesnt exist.
Looking at it from a creationist standpoint, If the Bible is correct and mankind chose to believe they can be like God as the serpent tempted Eve, yes we are thousands of years removed from our original human birth parents , makes perfect sense.

Science is a lie in many cases. The sell pills instead of better diet , they crave notoriety and fame, many are unhappy and if creationism is mentioned , the scientific community has a tendency to try and destroy that person, and thats a cold hard FACT.

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Heisenberg said:

"φ, the golden ratio, and the Fibonacci series are mathematically interesting and do have natural manifestations. That doesn't mean everything, or even anything else, is based on them. The popularity and "big name" of the "divine proportion" has been the real driver of its pseudoscientific assignment to just about anything and everything. Those whose brains' pattern-matching software is in overdrive have probably heard of the golden ratio, and so it's the one they think of whenever they see a rectangle, or a great work of art (like the Mona Lisa, which is not based on the golden ratio), or patterns in the stock market (which don't exist at all, let alone at the golden ratio), or in the numerology of the Bible (unless any other number is allowed to be considered just as significant). Not every claim about the golden ratio is the result of hyperactive pattern matching, but most are. At a minimum, such a claim is always a good tipoff that you should be skeptical."

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http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4325

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burgertime2010 said:

I am sorry, you are a rare species these days. The question is where to start? The creationism idea comes with a bible attached full of myths you believe on faith? If god created man and man created science that is evil then what? When were dinosaurs invented and destroyed? Science does not lie, people do. Faith is nothing but a celebration of the lack of critical thought. Science pre-dates big business and can be practiced by anyone.

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Someacdude said:

This is very convoluted , can you try and make it simpler for me because i have no idea what you mean.
Science predates the Bible? Faith? What is science / evolution except faith? Yes science IS a religion.
The bible full of myth? Really, the same book that said the earth was round thousands of years ago? The same one with an unparalleled record for proving prophecy? The same one that makes perfect sense IF YOU READ IT.
let me guess, whats next, how the earth was created in 6 days and the derision that comes along with people WHO DO NOT READ IT?
A day to god is like a thousand to us, yes thats in the bible, dinosaurs? Huh? Whats are you trying to say?

Im willing to bet those who hold the bible inderision do so out of either selfishness or because they where hurt by one of gods so called messengers ie the electrric church or someone else supposedly following christian princepals . The bible is very clear that there are some who 'have a form of godly devotion but prove false to its power'

I find it very dissapointing when people make up their mind BEFORE reading BOTH SIDES. Of course the Bible has been dug through the mud by many many evil people over the centurys and made to look bad. But find a more accurate document that retells history warts and all.

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Someacdude said:

This is very convoluted , can you try and make it simpler for me because i have no idea what you mean.
Science predates the Bible? Faith? What is science / evolution except faith? Yes science IS a religion.
The bible full of myth? Really, the same book that said the earth was round thousands of years ago? The same one with an unparalleled record for proving prophecy? The same one that makes perfect sense IF YOU READ IT.
let me guess, whats next, how the earth was created in 6 days and the derision that comes along with people WHO DO NOT READ IT?
A day to god is like a thousand to us, yes thats in the bible, dinosaurs? Huh? Whats are you trying to say?

Im willing to bet those who hold the bible inderision do so out of either selfishness or because they where hurt by one of gods so called messengers ie the electrric church or someone else supposedly following christian princepals . The bible is very clear that there are some who 'have a form of godly devotion but prove false to its power'

I find it very dissapointing when people make up their mind BEFORE reading BOTH SIDES. Of course the Bible has been dug through the mud by many many evil people over the centurys and made to look bad. But find a more accurate document that retells history warts and all.

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burgertime2010 said:

I apologize if you believe a childrens book and believe anyone who doesn't to be evil or selfish. Faith is believing in Jonah living in a fish for days, or virgin birth, or walking on water. You also do not recognize that many very similar religions predated Christianity and the Gospels were written by men 400 years after Christ. They are no more accurate than your memory of a time you were not there to recall. The Bible causes more death and despair than any document ever written, it is to subjugate the masses, and inhibit the wonder and curiousity that we are born into as humans.

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joe macclennan said:

other than a book of stories interpreted and translated so many times no one can be certain if these things ever happened or not.

and I was raised christian, and a confirmed methodist. So I am quite aware of both sides.

while I may not be an expert on either subject, rational reasoning outweighs a book of stories.....that is all.

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Someacdude said:

I apologize if you believe this, that is also not what i said.
You evidently hate the Bible , you have made your choice, however. Put words in my mouth one more time and i will have to put you on ignore, im sorry but in order to scren out hateful people, thats just what i do.
The Bible was written by men inspired by God, a written record was not required at first because?????? There where not that many people on earth yet, You find it just fine that so many writers kept the same theme over thousands of years?


The Bible causes more death and despair than any document ever written, it is to subjugate the masses, and inhibit the wonder and curiousity that we are born into as humans.

No evil people may use anything, im guessing Albert Einstien is then a evil mass murder who only wanted to subjugate the masses.

If you have no interest in discussing this please let me know, heres one of my favorite scriptures.2 timmothy 2:23 Avoid foolish and thoughtless discussions, since you know that they produce conflicts.
See, maybe someone here really want to know why a person believes the bible, maybe they want to know without all the hatred and nonsense.
Seriously, i dont hunt down scientific threads and just bash and disrespect , are you serious in your belief or just want to be right?

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Someacdude said:

I apologize if you believe this, that is also not what i said.
You evidently hate the Bible , you have made your choice, however. Put words in my mouth one more time and i will have to put you on ignore, im sorry but in order to scren out hateful people, thats just what i do.
The Bible was written by men inspired by God, a written record was not required at first because?????? There where not that many people on earth yet, You find it just fine that so many writers kept the same theme over thousands of years?


The Bible causes more death and despair than any document ever written, it is to subjugate the masses, and inhibit the wonder and curiousity that we are born into as humans.

No evil people may use anything, im guessing Albert Einstien is then a evil mass murder who only wanted to subjugate the masses.

If you have no interest in discussing this please let me know, heres one of my favorite scriptures.2 timmothy 2:23 Avoid foolish and thoughtless discussions, since you know that they produce conflicts.
See, maybe someone here really want to know why a person believes the bible, maybe they want to know without all the hatred and nonsense.
Seriously, i dont hunt down scientific threads and just bash and disrespect , are you serious in your belief or just want to be right?

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burgertime2010 said:

If you are offended I do apologize...our world views are simply different to a degree that I get fired up. You are free to ignore, and just be aware that the scriptures and politics are passionate places.....you are going to elicit conflicts. My beliefs are honest, and you can't be right in terms of religion.

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Zaehet Strife said:

Really, you wanna talk bible verses? Bro... have you even ever READ the fuckin bible???

(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

(Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.




I can keep going, and going, and going, the bible is FUCKED UP! If you have ever even picked up the thing and read it in its entirety, you may have a grasp on just how fucked up that book really is.

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Zaehet Strife said:

Really, you wanna talk bible verses? Bro... have you even ever READ the fuckin bible???

(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

(Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.




I can keep going, and going, and going, the bible is FUCKED UP! If you have ever even picked up the thing and read it in its entirety, you may have a grasp on just how fucked up that book really is.

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eye exaggerate said:

Based on what criteria?

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eye exaggerate said:

Imagine a person at the helm of scientific endeavour using terms like 'destroy' to describe a task. It is no longer about science and more about mentality.

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Wilksey said:

I agree with pretty much all of that, however, I can find no logical conclusion that would allow for our species, ALONE, to develop the ability to understand and manipulate fire when we did.

It just doesn't make sense.

Compare any biological species within a genus and you find that the intelligence levels are relatively streamlined, as is the use of tools, if any. This shows that nature is a lazy bitch that likes to repeat herself, and this repetition is also reflected in the cosmos, as evidenced by the multitude of stars and galaxies that share many of the same characteristics. Why did OUR species deviate from the "norms" found in nature when we came from the very same nature that produced everything else?

Polar bears, hell, BEARS developed fat layers and fur to keep warm. That makes sense and jives with everything else in nature. Humans, however, developed clothing and the use of fire instead. That's not natural, and no other species on the planet took that route. That intellectual and technological leap just seems far too large to be "natural", as no other species took that same route, or has taken it since.

The seemingly "exceptional" route our species has taken seems way, way, WAY out of place compared with our peers in the animal kingdom, and it is this "exceptionalism" that leads me to believe that evolution is only PART of the story concerning our species.

Granted, I could very well be giving our species FAR more credit than we deserve concerning "intelligence", but it seems to me that we are the proverbial square peg on a planet of round holes.

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Someacdude said:

Science is not a tool, its BIG BUSINESS, its also man kinds excuse for so many evil deeds.

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Someacdude said:

And your argument is ,,,,nothing? Just a vague rebuttal of someone elses view, kinda like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,evolution?
I didnt come up with the missing link, and if that fairy tale has been proven wrong what did they come up with next? The big bang.

Lets do an experiment.
Go into your grow room and explode every seed one at a time , get back to me on what percentage became 'alive' oh yeah, first ,,,,,make your own seeds out of nothing.
Ignorance indeed.

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Someacdude said:

Faith? What is science / evolution except faith? Yes science IS a religion.

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Someacdude said:

The bible full of myth? Really, the same book that said the earth was round thousands of years ago? The same one with an unparalleled record for proving prophecy? The same one that makes perfect sense IF YOU READ IT.
let me guess, whats next, how the earth was created in 6 days and the derision that comes along with people WHO DO NOT READ IT?
A day to god is like a thousand to us, yes thats in the bible, dinosaurs? Huh? Whats are you trying to say?

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Someacdude said:

Im willing to bet those who hold the bible inderision do so out of either selfishness or because they where hurt by one of gods so called messengers ie the electrric church or someone else supposedly following christian princepals . The bible is very clear that there are some who 'have a form of godly devotion but prove false to its power'

I find it very dissapointing when people make up their mind BEFORE reading BOTH SIDES. Of course the Bible has been dug through the mud by many many evil people over the centurys and made to look bad. But find a more accurate document that retells history warts and all.

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Padawanbater2 said:

Based on the fact that creationism/intelligent design isn't science, it's religion, and religion doesn't belong in any scientific or academic setting unless it's viewed in a historical context



You used the word first, I was being consistent. Would you rather I said "anyone who espouses creationism/intelligent design should have their ideas tested using the scientific method"? They have, every one of them, hundreds of times... and yet they persist. In my opinion, these thoroughly disproved ideas stick around because religion is a heated subject and not many people other than Hitchens, Dawkins and that circle are strong enough in their beliefs to stand up against them. So when people like William Lane Craig or Ken Hamm get their ass handed to them in a debate, I think the word "destroy" is very applicable



This is all a matter of perspective. Intelligence was our niche, it's what worked for us so no surprise it continues to increase as more time passes, right? We weeded out all the natural competition so resources were abundant. Take our species back just 12,000 years and we're right there next to our ape cousins, likely with no written language, no agriculture, simple hunter gatherers. A lot of time has passed, plenty of time for us to advance to where we are today. The stories organized religions tell are so much more fantastical and inconsistent with reality than what the actual model suggests happened



Science was around long before capitalism. It is a tool, just like I could use a hammer to nail in a nail, you could use that exact same hammer to bash someones head in with, you blaming science for creating the atom bomb is like you blaming the hammer for bashing the guys skull in



Why do you claim the theory of evolution is wrong when you don't understand the basics of how it works?



Science is the exact opposite of organized religion by its definition, religion requires faith, science requires evidence



The bible says the Earth is a circle, not "round" (Isaiah 40:22), there has never been a single successfully fulfilled prophecy as described by the bible, the bible makes sense to bronze age societies in the cultural context. It does not make sense in a global 21st century world. If you lived your life according to the rules of the Bible today, you would be locked up in federal prison, so who is right, "God", or the US judicial system?



"The fastest way to become an atheist is to read the Bible"

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Padawanbater2 said:

Science is simply a tool we use to explain the world, it doesn't (and can't) "want" anything

Anyone who espouses creationism in a professional or academic setting should be destroyed, just like anyone who denied the holocaust

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