why do people hate advanced nutrients?

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Hugo Phurst

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I'm using AN, Ph perfect, 3 part, with the hobbist kit.



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It's good for noobs and almost idiot proof.
It came highly recommended from 2 experienced growers.

When I get some real experience, and a proper set up, I'm going to give Dutch Master a try.
 

Clown Baby

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AN sales people are dicks. They act like their product is the only one that works. I was in my local shop the otherday and couldn't stand their sales guy.

I dont like AN because they are greedy. They will try and sell you 8 bottles, when those could all easily be combined into 2 or 3. They sell incomplete nutrients.

Additionally, they claim to add a lot of things to their nutrients that aren't actually in there. That's why they got in so much trouble in Oregon a couple years back.


Just take a look at their Hammerhead bloom booster. $28-$38/liter. Look at these ingredients: monopotassium phosphate and potassium nitrate.
If you take a second to search google, you will see how cheap these ingredients actually are.

You can buy 50 lbs of each of those for about $150, which is enough to make dozens and dozens of gallons.


AN is making 900+% margins on their products, solely because people buy into their marketing. Their making money hand over fist. They're not here to help people.
 

jpockets420

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I have always used AN Jungle juice micro and bloom lucas formula throughout my entire grow and always have good results. In flower..this paired with bud candy and a bloom booster and the buds come out sticky dense and tasty everytime. I wouldnt spend money on their other more expensive products as its not worth it. Jungle Juice does the same as the regular micro and grow that they offer. I can get 5 grows out of one bottle of Jungle Juice micro and bloom and for $20 who can beat that?
 

hooked.on.ponics

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It's always mildly amusing to see how the haters throw out wildly inconsistent or blatantly made-up facts to support their hate.

"900+% margins"

Seriously? No one outside AN would have access to those numbers so unless you're claiming to be an employee you're clearly making that up.
Even the most basic understanding of economics makes it obvious why that's so ridiculous. Even if you can sell something at a 900% margin Econ 101 will clearly demonstrate there's actually more total money to be made at a lower margin. As price decreases the number of people willing to pay the price increases and your total sales at the lower margin actually generate higher profits.

Claiming a 900% margin is STUPID. If that were true they could run every other nutrient company out of business in less than a year simply by operating slightly over cost and underpricing the competition. And then, if they were as evil and greedy as the haters say, they could jack the price to whatever they wanted because without any competition we'd have no choice.


And the people in the shops are employees of the shops, not Advanced Nutrients. Duh. That's like getting mad at the car manufacturer because the salesman on the lot pulled a quick one on you. He works for a dealership, not Ford or whatever.

Finally, don't be naive about labels. A label-lawyer will look at the label on a nutrient and think he knows what's in the bottle. Not true. The label tells you what is in the bottle that they're REQUIRED BY LAW to list, and not what they're required by law NOT TO LIST. Those are both important things to keep in mind. There's three categories of ingredients. Stuff you HAVE to put on the label, stuff you can put on the label if you want to, and stuff you cannot put on the label.

The label on a bottle of Hammerhead is far from a recipe to duplicate it. You can certainly go out and buy monopotassium phosphate and potassium nitrate, and mix it to get a solution that has the same NPK as Hammerhead, but if you think you have the exact same thing that comes in the Hammerhead bottle you're dead wrong. You need to also know what goes in those bottles that the bureaucrats don't let them tell you about.
 

Trulife69

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Like usual,anytime anyone post a question about A.N. all the trolls jump on. And like always..the people who run their nutes and post most of the time say they work great and the rest are just haters who have their nose in the air and for the most part never even used them or half ass'd a grow with them and then whined about it. If you buy all your nutes in a hydro shop your going to pay a lot more than ordering them online. They cost a little more but really its not that much more. A.N. is fine
 

patlpp

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Like usual,anytime anyone post a question about A.N. all the trolls jump on. And like always..the people who run their nutes and post most of the time say they work great and the rest are just haters who have their nose in the air and for the most part never even used them or half ass'd a grow with them and then whined about it. If you buy all your nutes in a hydro shop your going to pay a lot more than ordering them online. They cost a little more but really its not that much more. A.N. is fine
Like people who claim they grow on 10$ of nutes but fail to tell you that it is in sunshine mix #4
 
I'll keep it brief...
There are no base nutrients in Sunshine Mix #4. Advanced or just the regular stuff.

Don't sweat it man. Just keep it comin'. Please.
RIGHT, I said they had base nutes? He said there were ABSOLUTLY NO NUTRIENTS in the mix. They say right on there ad, organic starter and are you ready for it, nutrient charge.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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RIGHT, I said they had base nutes? He said there were ABSOLUTLY NO NUTRIENTS in the mix. They say right on there ad, organic starter and are you ready for it, nutrient charge.
omg! i'm literally laughing out loud right now. please stop. you are burying yourself everytime you open your mouth. the funny part is you don't even see it. you sound like someone who's never grown a plant before. not someone who supposedly owns a hydro store.
 
now, here is the list for pro-mix, a complete no nutrient formula
NGREDIENTS

  • Canadian Sphagnum peat moss (65-75 % / volume)
  • Perlite − horticultural grade
  • Dolomitic and Calcitic limestone (pH adjuster)
  • Wetting Agent
  • Mycorrhizae – endomycorrhizal fungi (Glomus intraradices)
no "nutrient charge" synthetic or organic, now what?
 
omg! i'm literally laughing out loud right now. please stop. you are burying yourself everytime you open your mouth. the funny part is you don't even see it. you sound like someone who's never grown a plant before. not someone who supposedly owns a hydro store.
C'mon scooby, show us how smart you are, explain what a nutrient charge is
 

dvs1038

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It's always mildly amusing to see how the haters throw out wildly inconsistent or blatantly made-up facts to support their hate.

"900+% margins"

Seriously? No one outside AN would have access to those numbers so unless you're claiming to be an employee you're clearly making that up.
Even the most basic understanding of economics makes it obvious why that's so ridiculous. Even if you can sell something at a 900% margin Econ 101 will clearly demonstrate there's actually more total money to be made at a lower margin. As price decreases the number of people willing to pay the price increases and your total sales at the lower margin actually generate higher profits.

Claiming a 900% margin is STUPID. If that were true they could run every other nutrient company out of business in less than a year simply by operating slightly over cost and underpricing the competition. And then, if they were as evil and greedy as the haters say, they could jack the price to whatever they wanted because without any competition we'd have no choice.


And the people in the shops are employees of the shops, not Advanced Nutrients. Duh. That's like getting mad at the car manufacturer because the salesman on the lot pulled a quick one on you. He works for a dealership, not Ford or whatever.

Finally, don't be naive about labels. A label-lawyer will look at the label on a nutrient and think he knows what's in the bottle. Not true. The label tells you what is in the bottle that they're REQUIRED BY LAW to list, and not what they're required by law NOT TO LIST. Those are both important things to keep in mind. There's three categories of ingredients. Stuff you HAVE to put on the label, stuff you can put on the label if you want to, and stuff you cannot put on the label.

The label on a bottle of Hammerhead is far from a recipe to duplicate it. You can certainly go out and buy monopotassium phosphate and potassium nitrate, and mix it to get a solution that has the same NPK as Hammerhead, but if you think you have the exact same thing that comes in the Hammerhead bottle you're dead wrong. You need to also know what goes in those bottles that the bureaucrats don't let them tell you about.
Huh? Ummm do you know what ur talkin bout? So what is it ur saying that there r secret ingredients in the liquid nutes ppl buy at grow shops? Really, so ur saying if I go out and start my own company selling soil and ferts, but I really sit in my basement shitting into bags then mixing it with dirt but I eat really healthy so it make good soil I don't have to tell ppl that the secret ingredient in my soil is human feces as long as ppl get desired results. Or maybe I'll sell bottled diaherra as long as it grows good plants I don't have to tell ppl my secret based on ur statement, right?
 

HeartlandHank

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Alright, I get it dude. This is all a joke. You're not serious. Right?

You caught me off guard for a minute, but I don't feed the trolls.
 
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