Why Do People Debate About Religion?

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman · Jul 12, 2011

All modern organized religions are in fact very old and archaic Ponzi schemes, they remain successful and propagate through disinformation and dogmatism, also one should never forget how hard it is to come back from grueling indoctrination(especially the american forms).

atheism isnt a belief system, or group of dogmatic beliefs, its a recognition of facts, and the rejection of ideas, ideas that are proven false or have no evidence to support them. WE have to debate these things because religion has this place in our culture that, somehow it isnt supposed to be judged, or called out for what it really is, and its gone on for too long without having its fair share of scrutiny, look what education has done for society, look at how far back we've managed to push mysticism and superstition, people used to burn and drown women over the idea that they could use magic... its the roots of religion. in order to have a successful following, you need people who have no knowledge about a certain subject, otherwise you will be called out for the fraud you are, even christians are atheists about every other religion's gods, some of us went ahead and cut the last thread, and that thread held some weight.

beardo · Jul 12, 2011

The fact is God knows who has been naughty and who has been nice so be nice for Jesus Christ

Heisenberg · Jul 13, 2011

beardo said:
The fact is God knows who has been naughty and who has been nice so be nice for Jesus Christ

How about being nice for the sake of it, and because you want others to be nice to you? Do we really need the threat of holy retribution? Sounds a lot like Pascal's wager to me.

mikie8 · Jul 13, 2011

there is no debate . only deluded people .

as for religions cause no harm , what about the 6 year old girls who are forced to marry an old man ? . mohammad married a 6 yo and she gave birth to thier first child when she was 9 . in sharia law this is still legal . the age of concent in sharia law is any age as long as you are married .

check global age concent online , sharia law countries only require someone to be married . BTW , the lowest age of consent in europe is the vatican .

do the maths .

karri0n · Jul 13, 2011

mikie8 said:
. the age of concent in sharia law is any age as long as you are married .

The age of consent in American law is any age as long as you are married as well.

guy incognito · Jul 13, 2011

karri0n said:
The age of consent in American law is any age as long as you are married as well.

I don't think that's true. There is a minimum age you can get married in most states, even with parental consent. The age of consent for sex is usually below the age of marriage.

420God · Jul 13, 2011

Married or not it's 18 years old in my state for the age of consent and I know many others are the same.

karri0n · Jul 13, 2011

guy incognito said:
I don't think that's true. There is a minimum age you can get married in most states, even with parental consent. The age of consent for sex is usually below the age of marriage.

In my state, the age of consent is 16, and minimum age for marriage with parental consent is 16 as well. However, minors under 16 can get married if they have parental consent and the consent of a probate judge. There is no minimum age for this.

mikie8 · Jul 13, 2011

it interesting to read about the differences from state to state but the differences will be because of the religions which are prominent in each state .
we live on a globe ( unless you believe in a flat earth ) and outside your state or country or continent it will be different .

my point was , belief is not a good thing by default , it can be good or bad just like any idea .

i am viod of belief and faith . i have limited knowledge but no beliefs what so ever .

newatit2010 · Jul 13, 2011

Well after watching the Templar last night it has been going on since 1050 ad. Why change things now.

guy incognito · Jul 13, 2011

karri0n said:
In my state, the age of consent is 16, and minimum age for marriage with parental consent is 16 as well. However, minors under 16 can get married if they have parental consent and the consent of a probate judge. There is no minimum age for this.

And sex within that marriage would be fully legal? If a 20 year old and a 12 year old get this blessing for some crazy reason, their sex would be legal and not statutory? I can't find any information that specifically addresses this situation, and I don't know if it ever came up. I did come across this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/national/30baby.html

But i'm not sure if the charges were pressed because the pregnancy happened before the marriage, or if it was strictly the age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Koso

Matthew Koso (born December 30, 1982) is a Falls City, Nebraska native whose case sparked controversy in both Nebraska and Kansas. In July, 2005, Koso was charged in Nebraska for statutory rape after his thirteen-year-old girlfriend became pregnant. They married when the girl turned 14. In Kansas, minors under the age of eighteen are allowed to wed with parental consent.[1]
[edit] Controversy

The marriage divided public opinion. Some people suggested that since the two had married, and had begun to raise a new-born child, the public would benefit most by forgiving Koso's actions. That is, they would prefer that he continue his employment and contribute to society, rather than spend time incarcerated as a liability to the State (with the additional risk of his spouse becoming a liability as well via the public relief system).[2][3]
On the other hand, others contend that Koso had committed a serious offense against society when he had sex with a minor. They argue that Koso's action was inherently wrong (mala in se) and that marrying the teenage mother did not make it right. They feel that incarceration is worth the associated cost, as it may deter other individuals from engaging in similar conduct.[4][5]
Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius said that as a result of this controversy, she would request for the minimum age for marriage to be made 16 rather than the lack of a statutory minimum age for marriage (a modification of the marriage law was passed in spring 2006.) In Nebraska, Attorney General Jon Bruning charged Koso with one count of first-degree sexual assault, which is punishable by up to 50 years in prison. Bruning said he would not allow his state to have an adult male involved in a sexual relationship with a young adolescent girl. In taking this action he took the case out of the hands of Richardson County DA Jeffrey Goltz, who had not made a decision about criminal charges against Koso.[4]
The indictment drew international headlines until a plea bargain was negotiated. On February 7, 2006, Judge Daniel Bryan sentenced Koso to 18 to 30 months in prison.
Koso was released on May 5, 2007. As of February 2010, the Kosos are still married with 4 children. [6]

karri0n · Jul 13, 2011

guy incognito said:
And sex within that marriage would be fully legal? If a 20 year old and a 12 year old get this blessing for some crazy reason, their sex would be legal and not statutory?

It seems that way. After all, it's not rape when you are doing it to your own property.

Thus, instead of including force as a criminal element, theses crimes make it illegal for anyone to engage in sexual intercourse with anyone below a certain age, other than his spouse. The age of consent varies by state, with most states, including Connecticut, setting it at age 16. The age of consent in other states ranges from ages 14 to 18.

"other than his spouse" is included in all the laws I could find

skiweeds · Jul 13, 2011

PigTails & PeanutButter said:
I don't understand... it's an never ending debate all based on individuals beliefs. What ever works for you, awesome... as long as you're not harming anyone, who cares. And for all of those who bash others, that's not "Christ-Like."

because god wants us to make fishers of men. but all religions have similar concepts. i say just leave everyone alone.

guy incognito · Jul 13, 2011

It doesn't specify in michigan.

THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 328 of 1931

750.520d Criminal sexual conduct in the third degree; felony.Sec. 520d.
(1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if the person engages in sexual penetration with another person and if any of the following circumstances exist:
(a) That other person is at least 13 years of age and under 16 years of age.
(b) Force or coercion is used to accomplish the sexual penetration. Force or coercion includes but is not limited to any of the circumstances listed in section 520b(1)(f)(i) to (v).
(c) The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless.
(d) That other person is related to the actor by blood or affinity to the third degree and the sexual penetration occurs under circumstances not otherwise prohibited by this chapter. It is an affirmative defense to a prosecution under this subdivision that the other person was in a position of authority over the defendant and used this authority to coerce the defendant to violate this subdivision. The defendant has the burden of proving this defense by a preponderance of the evidence. This subdivision does not apply if both persons are lawfully married to each other at the time of the alleged violation.
(e) That other person is at least 16 years of age but less than 18 years of age and a student at a public school or nonpublic school, and either of the following applies:
(i) The actor is a teacher, substitute teacher, or administrator of that public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district. This subparagraph does not apply if the other person is emancipated or if both persons are lawfully married to each other at the time of the alleged violation.
(ii) The actor is an employee or a contractual service provider of the public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district in which that other person is enrolled, or is a volunteer who is not a student in any public school or nonpublic school, or is an employee of this state or of a local unit of government of this state or of the United States assigned to provide any service to that public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district, and the actor uses his or her employee, contractual, or volunteer status to gain access to, or to establish a relationship with, that other person.
(f) That other person is at least 16 years old but less than 26 years of age and is receiving special education services, and either of the following applies:
(i) The actor is a teacher, substitute teacher, administrator, employee, or contractual service provider of the public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district from which that other person receives the special education services. This subparagraph does not apply if both persons are lawfully married to each other at the time of the alleged violation.
(ii) The actor is a volunteer who is not a student in any public school or nonpublic school, or is an employee of this state or of a local unit of government of this state or of the United States assigned to provide any service to that public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district, and the actor uses his or her employee, contractual, or volunteer status to gain access to, or to establish a relationship with, that other person.
(2) Criminal sexual conduct in the third degree is a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 15 years.

It has a couple stipulations for people married, but they only apply in those specific subdivisions. It would seem anyone aged 13-15 would be illegal in michigan with no specification for marriage as per "(a) That other person is at least 13 years of age and under 16 years of age."

euthanatos93420 · Jul 17, 2011

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:
atheism isnt a belief system, or group of dogmatic beliefs,

I call bullshit. I've heard tghis indoctrinating rhetoric before. Aethism is just a cult of xtian trolling. Which, btw, I'm all for it. But lying about who you are and what you are doing with false promises and bullshit stories makes you no better than the people you're trying to subvert but rather just a reincarnation of the same shit. Xtians worship satan. It's pretty much all in the fucking bible. Look at what's written and what's being done. THey're doing exactly what they say they fight against. Wether or not you believe the bullshit story or not it's still true (in the way it affects and plays out in reality, regardless of all that 'behind the curtain voodoo').

Dislexicmidget2021 · Jul 18, 2011

Religion is a sickness,A means to control the otherwise chaotic nature of humankind through its suggestive rhetoric.Its only good quality is that it dose instill morals which can cause a person to behave in a more social way but it is still not the true self,more or less a masking of personailty through the thought of being punished by God or whomever.People will argue about it for as long as it still exists because of the so many different viewpoints and perspectives of the believers there will always be differences to be argued out and is proof that they are not one or in any purpose but to make the religion they believe to be right, more influential.

ThE sAtIvA hIgH · Jul 22, 2011

actually i think the debate is over , to deny the theory of evolution is like denying gravity or electricity ,the theory of evolution proves any religion is complete nonsense .
if you keep hangin on then good luck to you but the idea of theory in sciense is something that is tested and tested again and again and again , its not an idea its a fact .

karri0n · Jul 22, 2011

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:
,the theory of evolution proves any religion is complete nonsense

This isn't even true of Christianity, never mind "any religion". The only time Evolution and the teaching of any given religion are mutually exclusive is when mythology is taken as literal fact. Mythology is never intended to be taken as fact in the first place, it's people in power who don't understand the teachings that put forth the belief that you must believer every word literally.

ThE sAtIvA hIgH · Jul 22, 2011

karri0n said:
This isn't even true of Christianity, never mind "any religion". The only time Evolution and the teaching of any given religion are mutually exclusive is when mythology is taken as literal fact. Mythology is never intended to be taken as fact in the first place, it's people in power who don't understand the teachings that put forth the belief that you must believer every word literally.

so if we cant take religion as a fact and its only mythology then my belief is true that religion is bullshit . thankyou sir :leaf:

karri0n · Jul 22, 2011

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:
so if we cant take religion as a fact and its only mythology then my belief is true that religion is bullshit . thankyou sir

You have a pretty weak grasp on the meaning of the word religion. A religion is a set of morals, values, and codes of conduct by which one lives their life. Mythology is a set of stories or fables that demonstrate the importance of said morals.

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