Who's Sick Of Obama Yet?
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CrackerJax
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We're talking about a different power. The first power comes from within. Money buys things, not power. Now what you do with the money and what you buy...(cars,boats,stocks, people, votes)...well that's up to the individual and their own particular wants.
You won't get there statistically (it can be given to a few) without the power within. Do what you love, do it full bore, make good decisions, and the money will follow.
You won't get there statistically (it can be given to a few) without the power within. Do what you love, do it full bore, make good decisions, and the money will follow.
jrh72582
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Again - and you called me naive! God, you're so hypocritical. You say you never make assumptions and only speak truth, but you have to wade through a LOT of name-calling and bullshit to find it. And when you do find your 'truth' it's straight from the lips of Alex Jones.
So you really think that if a person does what they love and to the full extent, money automatically follows? Wow. Tell that to the impassioned teacher making $30,000/year. Tell that to the minister making even less. Money follows passion - hah! You work on the poles, by friend - black and white...no middle ground. With you, it's either raving lunacy and paranoia OR complete naivete. Nothing else. One minute, Obama is getting impeached and the next, you're preaching about passion leading to money. Oh boy
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CrackerJax
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You say you teach..... I'm a bit worried for your students. Read my original response.... can you not see the difference between my first "power" and the one you responded with?"
There is a power within which comes FIRST. Success, true success can not be kept without it. Money doesn't bring the external power if the person directing it doesn't have the inner power.
I can see why you stayed in the books.....
There is a power within which comes FIRST. Success, true success can not be kept without it. Money doesn't bring the external power if the person directing it doesn't have the inner power.
I can see why you stayed in the books.....
jrh72582
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I'm proving my point quite well today. You opened and close your response to me with an insult but just yesterday you stated that you refrain from insult and assumption. Hmmmm........
It looks like somebody just got caught up in their own words again. How does it feel?
CrackerJax
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I have no idea what you are talking about..... 
So have you figured out the difference between the two "powers". Perhaps you should slow down when you read posts. I was clear.
So have you figured out the difference between the two "powers". Perhaps you should slow down when you read posts. I was clear.
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
What? You have to be kidding no one who has paid any attention could say this. Has to be a joke. He has done nothing but bad things and has many many more ready to go. Has to be a joke.....
On the question back few pages about where to get a shirt I dont know made my own...Gonna show off a new avatar for a few days now but I do like this one lol
hanimmal
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What are you basing this on? If it is the stimulus, you fail to see that it went to very good projects, and is an investment in the country. If you are going against the health insurance bill, it is simply trying to get people insurance so that they can get adaquate care. If you are talking about closing Gitmo, you don't see the need to keep America what we need to be (with in our borders).
I mean really what has actually happened that you are so certain that Obama is trying to hurt America? And I mean things you have actually seen the evidence of, not a conspiracy theory that has no actual evidence.
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
Wow your so far off base on those things lets do a few which if you read the entire thread youd know already.
1. He has managed in 7 months to create the biggest deficet ever in american history with no plan to be able to pay this down even if he was reelected. He has just burdened our childrens, childrens, childrens.
2. He has implimented Big brother government into the private sector more then ever has been done before. The gov owns GM now and is now telling them what cars they can and cant make. Her is pushing to outlaw all v8 engines or bigger with the exception of work permitted vehicle which would have to pay a heavy usage tax each year. that should help the tradesmen who barely get by.
3. He is forcing a centralized socialism plan of health care which you will have no say in put you will pay for whether you need it or not. You will be mandated by law to carry this health insurance unless you can show you have insurance that is approved via the government guideline. If you do not have it you will be fines $1500 then $3500 then be put into jail for up to one year. This will in tuen shut down many private providers making competition less and increase the cost to those who have private insurance which inturn will force companies to drop coverage and then you have to buy thiers which is projected for the average single male at $435 a month whether you can affords that or not is the gov choice not yours. They will auto draw from your pay check like taxes.
4. He has suggested he wants to push through a bill aimed at a $2.75 gasoline tax to drive people to use less gas and force auto makers into either collapse of to his wanted green program of non fossil fuel cars. This si to be in place and going by 2010.
5. He also wants to push through a bill that would tax or charge a mileage usage fee for driving. As proposed 13 cents a mile everyone would be charged except larger vehicles they would be charged more. They would have things like ipass and ez pass that are attached to a bank account of credit card. The units would report your starting month odometer then report at the end of the month and charge you for your miles. Great idea since insurance and tolls arent exspensive enough.
6. His health care program would push older adults out as highj risk and not pay for things like heart surgery or organ transplant after 55.
7 Gitmo you ask he wants to close it before he has any idea what to do with prisoners. best idea so far is to put them in genarl population in Michigan. Hmmm the state with the highest arab population will be handed the largest known group of detained combatents so they have weasy access to outsiders then release the rest. Good idea you want them in your city? Not me.
7, his stance with ohh say North korea who is run by a nut had the response of Korea aiming test missle at Hawaii..Hmmm good tactics so far.
8. He wants to open up Cuba as if they are a friend and lift embargos helping one of our closest threats. Another fine idea.
9.Hey Bush was a criminal for wars in Iraq and Iran but Obama is tripling the force in Afghanastan so hge must be a war monger based on democrates definitions correct?
10.He has embarrassed us daily by not learning basic worl leader policies and customs. He shows disrepect by showing his feet bottoms to the middle east. He touches the queen which isnt allowed. He gets her a fricken ipod for a gift. He gets the UK prime minister a subscription to netflix when he gets a hand made pencil made fom the original wood of the freedom desk come on...
!0 quick things and I barely scratched the surface to his craziness. If you call that great for amwerica you msut not live here as thats nutz. He could have taken the money he gave out to corporation an cut each us citizen a check for $28000 instead and regulated it easy. If you were behind on house payments 3 grand you got that taken out and got $25 grand. That would have caught americans up out of debit. Saved morgages, put money in the banks and allowed for more spending stimulating the economy in sales, manufacturing, and enetrtainment whiler actually helping the people. he gave it away with no research no stipulations and no regard. yeah all those trillions should at least show a trickle of improvement at the least then when that money is burned through nothing right back into a free fall as it fixed nothing it just quinched a small thirst....
1. He has managed in 7 months to create the biggest deficet ever in american history with no plan to be able to pay this down even if he was reelected. He has just burdened our childrens, childrens, childrens.
2. He has implimented Big brother government into the private sector more then ever has been done before. The gov owns GM now and is now telling them what cars they can and cant make. Her is pushing to outlaw all v8 engines or bigger with the exception of work permitted vehicle which would have to pay a heavy usage tax each year. that should help the tradesmen who barely get by.
3. He is forcing a centralized socialism plan of health care which you will have no say in put you will pay for whether you need it or not. You will be mandated by law to carry this health insurance unless you can show you have insurance that is approved via the government guideline. If you do not have it you will be fines $1500 then $3500 then be put into jail for up to one year. This will in tuen shut down many private providers making competition less and increase the cost to those who have private insurance which inturn will force companies to drop coverage and then you have to buy thiers which is projected for the average single male at $435 a month whether you can affords that or not is the gov choice not yours. They will auto draw from your pay check like taxes.
4. He has suggested he wants to push through a bill aimed at a $2.75 gasoline tax to drive people to use less gas and force auto makers into either collapse of to his wanted green program of non fossil fuel cars. This si to be in place and going by 2010.
5. He also wants to push through a bill that would tax or charge a mileage usage fee for driving. As proposed 13 cents a mile everyone would be charged except larger vehicles they would be charged more. They would have things like ipass and ez pass that are attached to a bank account of credit card. The units would report your starting month odometer then report at the end of the month and charge you for your miles. Great idea since insurance and tolls arent exspensive enough.
6. His health care program would push older adults out as highj risk and not pay for things like heart surgery or organ transplant after 55.
7 Gitmo you ask he wants to close it before he has any idea what to do with prisoners. best idea so far is to put them in genarl population in Michigan. Hmmm the state with the highest arab population will be handed the largest known group of detained combatents so they have weasy access to outsiders then release the rest. Good idea you want them in your city? Not me.
7, his stance with ohh say North korea who is run by a nut had the response of Korea aiming test missle at Hawaii..Hmmm good tactics so far.
8. He wants to open up Cuba as if they are a friend and lift embargos helping one of our closest threats. Another fine idea.
9.Hey Bush was a criminal for wars in Iraq and Iran but Obama is tripling the force in Afghanastan so hge must be a war monger based on democrates definitions correct?
10.He has embarrassed us daily by not learning basic worl leader policies and customs. He shows disrepect by showing his feet bottoms to the middle east. He touches the queen which isnt allowed. He gets her a fricken ipod for a gift. He gets the UK prime minister a subscription to netflix when he gets a hand made pencil made fom the original wood of the freedom desk come on...
!0 quick things and I barely scratched the surface to his craziness. If you call that great for amwerica you msut not live here as thats nutz. He could have taken the money he gave out to corporation an cut each us citizen a check for $28000 instead and regulated it easy. If you were behind on house payments 3 grand you got that taken out and got $25 grand. That would have caught americans up out of debit. Saved morgages, put money in the banks and allowed for more spending stimulating the economy in sales, manufacturing, and enetrtainment whiler actually helping the people. he gave it away with no research no stipulations and no regard. yeah all those trillions should at least show a trickle of improvement at the least then when that money is burned through nothing right back into a free fall as it fixed nothing it just quinched a small thirst....
purplekitty7772008
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chitownsmoking
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obama is the devil in disguies
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
he is a homo
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chitownsmoking
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his approval rating is going down week by week
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
Hde is running out of money to hand out to his welfare plan. Great idea to take a great nation and force it into a welfare state. he fucked illinois and is working on the rest of the nation now
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chitownsmoking
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lol illinois has been fucked for a while
hanimmal
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And what did that money go into? Most of it is not lost, it is invested. That means that the money comes back around. The stimulus package went directly into the hands of the people that can do the work. So that money is not lost it is just being used.
Everything that we do is a burden on our children, and also everything that we improve is a benefit to our children. People love to look at one side and dismiss the other.
Chrysler is in deep debt to us, because of mistakes and a crumbling financial system that forced them to need a bailout. But you do know that was not under Obama right.
And the V8 is I think due to the fuel standards. That does not kill them, it just means that they need to make cars with higher fuel standards to offset the guzzling they do.
There is nothing that I have read in the bill about jailtime. So you will have to point that out to me since I did read the 1000+ pages of it.
But to the second point, it is simple. The insurance companies can make adjustments, and not depend on cutting costs by simply denying care, which is how it works now.
This is 100% the fault of the insurance companies that this needed, if they would have been responsible (or even now tried to fix this issue themselves) and covered the 1/8th of Americans without insurance and not made a practice of denying care after the doctors recommended it, we would not be in this situation today.
The insurance companies failed.
This will really suck I agree. They should do things like cut military spending and put it into fixing the roads that this money is going towards. The auto companies will be able to make any cars they want, but to meet the standards they will need to make more fuel efficient cars. And by looking for the top cars in the cash for clunkers program it looks like people buying new cars agree.
You are confusing the essentials of the bill:
I think this is some kool-aid.
Wrong, ask any doctor that deals with Medicare/aid. They are the only insurance that does not fight doctors recommendations.
I am from Michigan and have no issue with this. If they are wrongly arrested, they need to be freed. You say that they are detained combatants but in reality there are a lot of false arrests in Gitmo.
Hawaii is still going strong, even though all the nut bloggers said they were going to be nuked on July 4th. By keeping quiet China has came to the table and is now trying to get them to come to the table. It is not our fight.
They have nothing that we need to fear. And imagine that they open borders totally. Their country gets brought out of the poverty they are in very fast, who is the hero, USA.
Dems were wrong about Bush being a criminal, but the data used was false so the protests to not go to war is a good thing. We should not be so quick to get into wars. And I disagree with Obama keeping the war going, but the problem is the genie was out of the bottle. And at least he kept on the stance he ran about allowing the generals to decide what they need and pulling out of Iraq and putting the effort into Aghanastan.
I disagree with the war. We should change tactics as a country and help them to prosper and win their respect, not spend 10x the money to do things like build hospitals, schools, and infrastructures in fighting the people.
Reported after the republicans on Fox jumped on that is that was what the Queen asked for. And if you noticed most of the people over in the other countries are in love with Obama. He is doing a lot to help with foreign relations. And that is good for America.
We have not spent $7.6 trillion. But I don't disagree with the money should be in the hands of the people. But you cannot just spend it on junk which is what most americans would have done. It would have been a wasted sugar high. At least this way it mostly goes to education and the rest of the money to new technologies. We need to invest that money not waste it.
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
Fletch:
Yes but if it was handled as I said everyone thats hurting would have been back on thier feet with ground to move. Hey your $4000 behind on house payments and you have late car payments so they pay those up plus 2 months and the rest is your own tax money given back in your time of need to help you in your situation. make each dollar accountable for. You can show a reciept for new rims or jewerly or you have to repay that. It would have been bill money, living cost money, credit card payoff money. debit repayment.This would have helped kick start the economy making more jobs which we need since lost over 3 million and counting under Obama so far
He just isnt capable of thinking things through. he doesnt have the mind for this stuff and this was known years ago as a senator but people dont do home work they do as they are told. What until his new middle class taxs kick in when the middle class gets hammered lol then people will wake up
hanimmal
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Wrong. The stimulus package did not go to banks, and large corporations. Here you go: http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/investment-award
The cash for clunkers was a huge success. The money that went out was the important part of the stimulus, not how long it took. Why is that so hard for people to understand?
Talking points of Republicans on Fox, that has absolutly no proof. China was worried because the news organizations like Fox and CNBC were flipping out. Well hell that is my guess which has a bit more basis than your guess at their actions.
And I will even go further, China did their own stimulus package after Geithner went over there and met with them. So they must not have been that opposed to it to do their own.
Yes, but not at the time when everything was on the verge of collapsing. That would have tanked the economy. So it really was the best investment, a few billion to save trillions. Makes sense to me.
My soon to be father in law works as an engineer for Ford too. It is not a removal off all large engines, and does not have anything to do with no more fossil fuel.
He is just working to get all the engines to be flex fuel, which a lot of them are now.
I would appreciate it I am all for calling him out on the facts, and this would be very important if it is in there.
You misunderstood. I mean denying care, after the doctor has already done it, or after they get sick. People get the boot for getting sick all the time by the insurance companies. Leaving them in debt or dying. Then that means we all pick up the bill anyway by having to pay for their bankruptcies.
So you are ok with government controlling the doctors (who do the actual work) pay, and pharmacy companies that are the ones that take all the risk to develope the drugs, but don't cut the insurance companies profits?
You would be suprised, most people that buy new cars can afford them. The people that don't is not who these programs are set up for.
This is just a way to boost sales since they have been in the toilet and there was a massive amount of excess inventory that needed to be moved.
And did they cover her procedure? My girlfriend deals with insurance companies all day long so I have heard all about how they work and how efficient they are. Ands hands down medicare/aid is the best to deal with.
You really think that those are the ones that they will be sending to live in the states, that is rediculous.
China is their main trading partner. If they became aggressive towards them, they would starve them out in a matter of months. China is the only country that can deal with N Korea.
And not being ready in a worse case senerio is not the same as shrugging it off as a joke. Neither of them mean that you need to go blabbering on the news by saying "You better not or I will fucking spank you."
That is just what the republicans want you to think. They are not taking anyones jobs. If an American shows up and asks for a job and a immegrant is there, who will get the work.
Now if the business is hiring them becuase they don't want to pay over the table wages that the american is willing to take under minimum wage, then it is the business that is doing something illegal.
As for signs, people get too rooted in the belief that every american needs to speak english. We don't have a national language. And lets face it, we pushed them out a long time ago. Not too many countries are the natual people considered the minority.
You act like I was saying something against Bush, I simply said that we dems treated him unfair, and all the nonsence that we spouted and got brainwashed with, is very similar to what the republicans are doing with Obama now.
But just bombing people in their own country is horseshit. We have no right to do it, as we were not attacked by them.
You border on racism here. To say 'they are not human" is about as close as it gets.
You brought up how he fucked up with a ipod (that was asked for), and turned it into this. I have no idea where that rant came from.
Your math falls apart because you added a zero. It would have been about $2300 a household. That money may have helped people for a month or two (if they were on the verge of losing their home) but after that it was wasted, with nothing to show for it, but more money in the banks which is not a bad thing.
Instead he chose the other path (to think that the team of economists didn't do the math for a strait stimulus check to the people like the junk $400 one a few years back) to invest that money into the things that needed to get fixed like education, and hard projects like roads and bridges.
Can you imagine getting 300 million people worth of reciepts to check if people got rims? It would never be able to be done.
The middle class tax that is a figment of imagination? There is nothing in the works yet, not saying it won't eventually happen but I see that being more around 2012ish so he can get reelected. That is just republican scare tactics at work again.
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
Ok I see you follow a very democratic view and information source as much of what your saying is not fact or true but the democrates view of it.
Wrong. The stimulus package did not go to banks, and large corporations. Here you go: http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/investment-award
The cash for clunkers was a huge success. The money that went out was the important part of the stimulus, not how long it took. Why is that so hard for people to understand?
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This is completely wrong. Do you not remember when the first round was given to the banks as a bail out which was part of the original stimulous how Obama forgot to put an overseere on the money and just handed it out? Banks all gave CERO bonuses and higher board members bonuses. They also wer caught throwing multimillion dollar partys with the moneies the governement gave them that was fact and the president had to address that mistake on no putting proper regulations into effect.
Cash For Clunkers huge sucess??? Not in America its not and the car dealers are not happy at all about this. The amount of money that was put into the program was wasted over 50% of that money left our economy as people bought foreign cars not american. they bought cars built in other countries not here so it gave a bit of money to the salesmen not much as the commissions on these was a reduced rate due to a lower dealership take in which is fact. As I said I have father who sells a uncle who sells for Mazada and 4 friends who sell at different dealers all hate the program. the dealers are now worried now that they took in more clunkers then the governement can pay for. Most dealers stopped the program after the first reports the program was out of money. So besides the earlier reason this program was a huge failure. People traded in cars that were only 5 years old as they could get a new version with no money down and same payment which means more scarp melting more pollution and fuller scarp fields.So our so called green pres just made a huge environmental mess.
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Talking points of Republicans on Fox, that has absolutly no proof. China was worried because the news organizations like Fox and CNBC were flipping out. Well hell that is my guess which has a bit more basis than your guess at their actions.
And I will even go further, China did their own stimulus package after Geithner went over there and met with them. So they must not have been that opposed to it to do their own.
Fletch:Hmmm not sure how you say you have more bases as thats also incorrect. China was worried because as Obama is spending he weaken the USD which inturn makes inflation go up. China has bonds with the US and if the rate of value falls to fast they have no choice but to cash in which would cripple our nation to the point of no return. China can control us like this as they hold our wallet and if they take it back we cant pay them. The rate of spending Obama has done scared them as they know about inflation to dollar devaluation and the effects it has instantly so they warned Obama if he created inflation at the rate he was doing they would have to cash out as they were not going down with us.This was fact if you remember 2 Chineese citizens were found in 2 different locations with trillions in US issued bonds attemtping to unload them for best price before they were"detained and released" the chineese were shopping our bonds for value appraisal contemplating selling to get out but it had to be quiet as if they were found out they would devalue thier own bonds.You bring up thier stimulus plan. Have you seen or read what they actuially did.Its nothing like we did here as they are a communist party and dont spend lkike we do. Thier stimulus mostly dealt with larger rations from the goverenment for food and living expenses to quele the people fear of the US collapse taking down China with them. they werent cutting checks and discounting cars and bailing out banks. They did a good package.
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Yes, but not at the time when everything was on the verge of collapsing. That would have tanked the economy. So it really was the best investment, a few billion to save trillions. Makes sense to me.
Fletch: You don't know much about the auto industry do you.. Anyways Chrysler is not an american company and hasnt been for years. After Diamalyer sold it(german owned) to its current owners which is a non US company the company was never US again. they shut most of the US plants down and operated a lot from Canada and Mexico and since closed the Canada plants pissing them off as they passes a 10% tax hike few years back to subsidize them to keep the plants open then got bailed on after the money was given. To pump that much monmey into a non US auto maker thats doesnt sell many cars and doesnt employy a great percentage of workers in the grand scheme was just stupid made no sense. Chrysler looses money quarterly so it cant repay that or make it back it just slowed the enevitable collapse of that company so he made a 5 year bandaide and another bad investment money out the window for something that didnt mean much. Ford was fine ande Chevey needs restructuring.
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My soon to be father in law works as an engineer for Ford too. It is not a removal off all large engines, and does not have anything to do with no more fossil fuel.
He is just working to get all the engines to be flex fuel, which a lot of them are now.
Filthy: You may want to actually have a conversation with the man then as then you would know the flex fuelk program is a failure and is being phased out. The E85 fuel is too exspensive to make and then ripples into the rest of our food costs. people dont buy those cars for the added cost on the sticker the higher gas costs and the effects it has on our food supply cost. They have been phasing this out and are just release already developed models. Ford is currently in works on 2 new technologies to be release one is a version of the electric car similar to trhe Volt from Chevy and they also are close to the release of the first production nitrogen run car which will be the future of cars. A car that runs off hydrogen which can be made at home has zero emissions and would provide great mileage at minimal cost hikes. Might wanna have a chat with him then if your gonna be family as the flex is a failked option.Few minutes in any Ford Dealership will give you the entire story.
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You misunderstood. I mean denying care, after the doctor has already done it, or after they get sick. People get the boot for getting sick all the time by the insurance companies. Leaving them in debt or dying. Then that means we all pick up the bill anyway by having to pay for their bankruptcies.
Fletch: I dont understand what your saying here as a responce. Yes you can be denied buying insurance if your already sick but not if you have insurance and get sick. If you have insurance and then have a heart attack the new governement insurance wouldnt cover you after age 55 as that is the age they would consider you a high risk and not worth the money. The new program also calls for tylonol to replace viocdine as prescribed pain medicine and things like hydrocodone and percs to be bann and illegal which cant happen as those meds are needed. Trust me after back surgery you need more then tylonol
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So you are ok with government controlling the doctors (who do the actual work) pay, and pharmacy companies that are the ones that take all the risk to develope the drugs, but don't cut the insurance companies profits?
Fletch: Dont think you followed I said the government should step in meaning make a review and regulatory board to access medical bills (this includes anything medical being hospital, doctors, insurnace paying for this) and set limits to the over charges that in return effect how much a doctors is paid as they get way too much, how much the hospital can charge for an asprin which is way over done to pay the high doctor salaries and then in return the insurnace company charges higher rates to cover those blown up costs making insurance unaffordable. Its all similar to the great principal Reagfan laid out which saved our country called trickle down economics which worked perfect and Clinto reaped those great years til his last term when he messed with it and started the snoball we are in now.
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You would be suprised, most people that buy new cars can afford them. The people that don't is not who these programs are set up for.
This is just a way to boost sales since they have been in the toilet and there was a massive amount of excess inventory that needed to be moved.
Fletch: Wrong again you gotta do some homework if your gonna have car people in your family. Most people cant afford cars even those who end up getting them. dealers have to do so much smudging on applications to get peopole into cars as they may have jobs but the national credit ratings are all time bad meaning they cant really afford a new car but it gets done. The amount of upside down trades attempted is astronomical if you go into a dealer and talk to someone who is a friend or family and will speak honestly. Most new car buyers come in within 24 months trying to get out of the contracts but are so upside down on loan to value ratiuos they cant. This new program was directly made for people who cant afford cars well let me rephrase it was made " to help the environment" but since no thought was put through its identical to the home loans that were given no credit bad credit no income verification needed. people who couldnt afford the car and come up with a down payment now have the downpayment which makes the loan easier to get even if they cant really afford it but its free money lets get some fre cars. People dont all think logivcally about the payments and insurance they think me need car me got car now.. Its a very paid program.
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And did they cover her procedure? My girlfriend deals with insurance companies all day long so I have heard all about how they work and how efficient they are. Ands hands down medicare/aid is the best to deal with.
Fletch: lol Efficient thats a joke maybe try them and find out. they paid for things but its a fight the whole way. They fight paying anything at all times and you have to call daily, fax, process, refax. They have hard time believeing you need those kidneys your getting or that heart transplant you got. They are a company that is broke and does not want to pay an utter mess. They dont care what meds doctore perscribe you they will try to force a cheaper alternative on you even if the make up of the meds are different but used for the same type of thing. You have to get so much extra paper work for no substitution just to get your meds.
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You really think that those are the ones that they will be sending to live in the states, that is rediculous
Fletch: Yeah it is but thats his plan. he found one place that took 2 of them and that was Austrailia everyone elsae said no. So you tell me where do they go? No one will take them and Michigan is the only place he has come up with sooo where do they go as he is hell bent on emptying gitmo by January and that gotta go someplace and you dont mind them in your yard soooo..
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China is their main trading partner. If they became aggressive towards them, they would starve them out in a matter of months. China is the only country that can deal with N Korea.
And not being ready in a worse case senerio is not the same as shrugging it off as a joke. Neither of them mean that you need to go blabbering on the news by saying "You better not or I will fucking spank you."
Fletch: Yes China control thier food. You say starve them off for months.. You realise what would happen right away if China did that and its why they dont do it right?? Kim is right next door it is known he has at least 6 nukes ready on mid range missles. You ever see a dog thats been abused and starved? When they have nothing to loose and will die without a fight or maybe survive if they fight they will fgightr. If kim knows he is doomed and the people will turn on him he will launch and take some with him. He keeps thats fear in the air as his blanket of protection hoping people dont forget it and uses itr as leverage. china could try to cut them off but it would take hits on the way out and with thier population a few nukes coulkd kill what 50 million people instantly before Korea was reemoved then China is radio active for what 80 years or so?
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That is just what the republicans want you to think. They are not taking anyones jobs. If an American shows up and asks for a job and a immegrant is there, who will get the work.
Now if the business is hiring them becuase they don't want to pay over the table wages that the american is willing to take under minimum wage, then it is the business that is doing something illegal.
As for signs, people get too rooted in the belief that every american needs to speak english. We don't have a national language. And lets face it, we pushed them out a long time ago. Not too many countries are the natual people considered the minority.
Fletch:Wow this all blows my mind..you are an american citizen correct as you dont seem to know much about our country...Its not the way of saying someones taking your job but they take the money from our countries economy. man this is so basic...Ok i live in a area around a city of 5 million people and we have a heavy illegal immigrant issue. they come get 1 house and put 15 people in it. So they are not adding to the housing economy. They all work yes but they send all but what is needed right back to mexico. Go to the currency exchange on Fridays and firt of the month and there are lines of Mexicans most illegal sending money westren union back to mexico to smuggle more family here or to pay for thier family thier. None of that money went into out economy it all left gone no taxes on it and not spent here. GONE.Now Im not sure where you live but if you went to grade school in the US you know our official national language is English so yes we do have an official language cant believe I had to explain that.It is written in law and recognized as our countriews language and you know whay people get all in arms about people who live here should speak it?? Because this is America this is our language to bve a productive memebr you must know it. The country doesnt change for you you change to be apart of this country. Dont forget your natyive language but for gods sake you must learn english to be an american and be a productive citizen in this society and the issue is too many poussy ass liberals and such say ohhh but they cant go tro school and learn as they dont understand english..well then put them in english classes and when they learn tey can join regular public schools. Its all about being a citizen .If i move to France guess what I gotta speak french..I go to mexico arwe the signs in english for me nope all spainish.
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You act like I was saying something against Bush, I simply said that we dems treated him unfair, and all the nonsence that we spouted and got brainwashed with, is very similar to what the republicans are doing with Obama now.
But just bombing people in their own country is horseshit. We have no right to do it, as we were not attacked by them.
Fletch: Thats was a response to you saying his reasons for war were false and the protesters were good. well his reason were true and proven and I explained that whole thing 2of 3 reason physically show and the third more then enough to know it was true. soo your statement saying his reason for going in were false were actually all true reason making that statement you said completly false so thats why I replied as I did.So Iraq and the Rebbels in Afgahnasatn did nothing to us in your eyes? thats very intersting. As in my eyes I saw them take down 2 US towers and kill dozens of US citizens on our soil and then I see traing tapes of them preping to fight americans and plot domestic bombings to prove a point so for me yeah thet are the enemey and they did it to use we didnt go find them they picked a fight with someone out of jealousy and contempt. Now they have to pay the piper. But thats me you kill my citizens here at home for no reason but to make a point and Ill erase you.
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You border on racism here. To say 'they are not human" is about as close as it gets.
Fletch: Well i never made a statement on race just on thier society but if you defend thier actions thats up to you but to think thier country and culture are respectful or believe in that and are not on the most basic of human levels is nuts. A passionate person who cares about life doesnt strap a bomb on thier body walk into a coffee shop and blow every stranger away to get attention for a cause. thats just crzyy with no regard for life.To live everyday for killking another who doesnt want to folow your supposed god is crazy. Yes all religion is evil and starts most wars. I have n o compassion for those being not from thier race so be careful and know the words you accuse with but for how thiy live thier live and treat others. You smack me and Ill smack you back you shake my hand and talk ill talk with you.Kill my father while he is drinking coffee so the world knows your group Ill find your group and will do my best to make sure everyone knows who you were before I return the favor.
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You brought up how he fucked up with a ipod (that was asked for), and turned it into this. I have no idea where that rant came from
Fletch: If you take the entire statement and not a piece of one sentence it all made sense. Your a representive of the largest free world country there is and your meeting for the first time the Queen of England and an ipod (I never saw or heard any place saying she wanted one so youd have to show me that) to a woman in her what 70s. A chineese mad ipod as your first gift from America to England. It went to show how he doesnt think or prepare he just impulse acts which was what the statement was tied into.
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Your math falls apart because you added a zero. It would have been about $2300 a household. That money may have helped people for a month or two (if they were on the verge of losing their home) but after that it was wasted, with nothing to show for it, but more money in the banks which is not a bad thing.
Instead he chose the other path (to think that the team of economists didn't do the math for a strait stimulus check to the people like the junk $400 one a few years back) to invest that money into the things that needed to get fixed like education, and hard projects like roads and bridges.
Can you imagine getting 300 million people worth of reciepts to check if people got rims? It would never be able to be done.
The middle class tax that is a figment of imagination? There is nothing in the works yet, not saying it won't eventually happen but I see that being more around 2012ish so he can get reelected. That is just republican scare tactics at work again.
Fletch:Nope math was right at 300 million people getting 28000 each thats 8.4 trillion dollars which is right around what he is spending for his stgimulous packages and programs. I agree with you on the point that the first stimulous checks were bad ideas also. But you say the money is put instead of fixing what is wrong now into things like ducation and new roads. Yeah those need attention but are not priority right now. Those are things that if the country doesnt fail might help out in the future but if the country fails before then it helped no one. You dont put a new outfit on before you take a bath as you just ruin the new outfit. You have to stop the free fall and bleeding before you look to fix the future you have to fix the now and he didnt do that at all. great new roads but no cars since people cant buy them and the new socilistic government doesnt have money to give me a free one. So great lets live on the nice new road with my 2 well educated kids who dont have jobs since there are no jobs. Its not even comprehendable to go that route yet. he cant fix it all by spreading just a lkittle everywhere he needs order and preperation and doesnt do either,. You ask about my recipot of checks and balances and say it cant be done. Yeah pretty easily you do realize we are in a computer age right? You see those tv converter cards they gave everyuone? Guess what it was a visa card but could only buy what? A tv converter.. see the program is written for allowable things and rejects others its a very simple thing. Link cards only aloow food purchase not beer. thats trhe simplest thing issues the cards that are programmed no cash so no buying liqour drugs rims, purses,big screen tvs its pays the necessities only and that forces us to be responsible while all that money is back in the flow of our economy now business can hire more employess for the demand, people can catch up and refinace homes at lower rates and be able to survive. Maybe you dont loose your work truck and still do construction jobs. Its all simple and feasible.Now the middle class tax figment.That tax will come by 2010 first quarter he all but said it. he has dropped his tax bracket 5 times and it keeps getting lower and now that he admitted his mistakes he realised there is no choice but to tax to start paying what he is spending. there is no way around it he will have to and anyone with a brain knows it cant come all from the rich or they close up business and do lay offs and dont start new jobs and thwat would seal our fate. Gotta styop and spread the love to the middle class as the poor dont have any to tax.You call it scare tactics but in fact its just more democrate denile. If i close my eyes and say it wont happen it will all go away...not gonna happen Im just hoping and it should be so that we make it through this term and get him out as fast as possible. He has ruined it for African Americans being presidents for awhilke ill guarantee as he just went nuts in there like he did in Illinois, I wish Powell would have ran as he would have done right.
Wrong. The stimulus package did not go to banks, and large corporations. Here you go: http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/investment-award
The cash for clunkers was a huge success. The money that went out was the important part of the stimulus, not how long it took. Why is that so hard for people to understand?
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This is completely wrong. Do you not remember when the first round was given to the banks as a bail out which was part of the original stimulous how Obama forgot to put an overseere on the money and just handed it out? Banks all gave CERO bonuses and higher board members bonuses. They also wer caught throwing multimillion dollar partys with the moneies the governement gave them that was fact and the president had to address that mistake on no putting proper regulations into effect.
Cash For Clunkers huge sucess??? Not in America its not and the car dealers are not happy at all about this. The amount of money that was put into the program was wasted over 50% of that money left our economy as people bought foreign cars not american. they bought cars built in other countries not here so it gave a bit of money to the salesmen not much as the commissions on these was a reduced rate due to a lower dealership take in which is fact. As I said I have father who sells a uncle who sells for Mazada and 4 friends who sell at different dealers all hate the program. the dealers are now worried now that they took in more clunkers then the governement can pay for. Most dealers stopped the program after the first reports the program was out of money. So besides the earlier reason this program was a huge failure. People traded in cars that were only 5 years old as they could get a new version with no money down and same payment which means more scarp melting more pollution and fuller scarp fields.So our so called green pres just made a huge environmental mess.
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Talking points of Republicans on Fox, that has absolutly no proof. China was worried because the news organizations like Fox and CNBC were flipping out. Well hell that is my guess which has a bit more basis than your guess at their actions.
And I will even go further, China did their own stimulus package after Geithner went over there and met with them. So they must not have been that opposed to it to do their own.
Fletch:Hmmm not sure how you say you have more bases as thats also incorrect. China was worried because as Obama is spending he weaken the USD which inturn makes inflation go up. China has bonds with the US and if the rate of value falls to fast they have no choice but to cash in which would cripple our nation to the point of no return. China can control us like this as they hold our wallet and if they take it back we cant pay them. The rate of spending Obama has done scared them as they know about inflation to dollar devaluation and the effects it has instantly so they warned Obama if he created inflation at the rate he was doing they would have to cash out as they were not going down with us.This was fact if you remember 2 Chineese citizens were found in 2 different locations with trillions in US issued bonds attemtping to unload them for best price before they were"detained and released" the chineese were shopping our bonds for value appraisal contemplating selling to get out but it had to be quiet as if they were found out they would devalue thier own bonds.You bring up thier stimulus plan. Have you seen or read what they actuially did.Its nothing like we did here as they are a communist party and dont spend lkike we do. Thier stimulus mostly dealt with larger rations from the goverenment for food and living expenses to quele the people fear of the US collapse taking down China with them. they werent cutting checks and discounting cars and bailing out banks. They did a good package.
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Yes, but not at the time when everything was on the verge of collapsing. That would have tanked the economy. So it really was the best investment, a few billion to save trillions. Makes sense to me.
Fletch: You don't know much about the auto industry do you.. Anyways Chrysler is not an american company and hasnt been for years. After Diamalyer sold it(german owned) to its current owners which is a non US company the company was never US again. they shut most of the US plants down and operated a lot from Canada and Mexico and since closed the Canada plants pissing them off as they passes a 10% tax hike few years back to subsidize them to keep the plants open then got bailed on after the money was given. To pump that much monmey into a non US auto maker thats doesnt sell many cars and doesnt employy a great percentage of workers in the grand scheme was just stupid made no sense. Chrysler looses money quarterly so it cant repay that or make it back it just slowed the enevitable collapse of that company so he made a 5 year bandaide and another bad investment money out the window for something that didnt mean much. Ford was fine ande Chevey needs restructuring.
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My soon to be father in law works as an engineer for Ford too. It is not a removal off all large engines, and does not have anything to do with no more fossil fuel.
He is just working to get all the engines to be flex fuel, which a lot of them are now.
Filthy: You may want to actually have a conversation with the man then as then you would know the flex fuelk program is a failure and is being phased out. The E85 fuel is too exspensive to make and then ripples into the rest of our food costs. people dont buy those cars for the added cost on the sticker the higher gas costs and the effects it has on our food supply cost. They have been phasing this out and are just release already developed models. Ford is currently in works on 2 new technologies to be release one is a version of the electric car similar to trhe Volt from Chevy and they also are close to the release of the first production nitrogen run car which will be the future of cars. A car that runs off hydrogen which can be made at home has zero emissions and would provide great mileage at minimal cost hikes. Might wanna have a chat with him then if your gonna be family as the flex is a failked option.Few minutes in any Ford Dealership will give you the entire story.
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You misunderstood. I mean denying care, after the doctor has already done it, or after they get sick. People get the boot for getting sick all the time by the insurance companies. Leaving them in debt or dying. Then that means we all pick up the bill anyway by having to pay for their bankruptcies.
Fletch: I dont understand what your saying here as a responce. Yes you can be denied buying insurance if your already sick but not if you have insurance and get sick. If you have insurance and then have a heart attack the new governement insurance wouldnt cover you after age 55 as that is the age they would consider you a high risk and not worth the money. The new program also calls for tylonol to replace viocdine as prescribed pain medicine and things like hydrocodone and percs to be bann and illegal which cant happen as those meds are needed. Trust me after back surgery you need more then tylonol
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So you are ok with government controlling the doctors (who do the actual work) pay, and pharmacy companies that are the ones that take all the risk to develope the drugs, but don't cut the insurance companies profits?
Fletch: Dont think you followed I said the government should step in meaning make a review and regulatory board to access medical bills (this includes anything medical being hospital, doctors, insurnace paying for this) and set limits to the over charges that in return effect how much a doctors is paid as they get way too much, how much the hospital can charge for an asprin which is way over done to pay the high doctor salaries and then in return the insurnace company charges higher rates to cover those blown up costs making insurance unaffordable. Its all similar to the great principal Reagfan laid out which saved our country called trickle down economics which worked perfect and Clinto reaped those great years til his last term when he messed with it and started the snoball we are in now.
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You would be suprised, most people that buy new cars can afford them. The people that don't is not who these programs are set up for.
This is just a way to boost sales since they have been in the toilet and there was a massive amount of excess inventory that needed to be moved.
Fletch: Wrong again you gotta do some homework if your gonna have car people in your family. Most people cant afford cars even those who end up getting them. dealers have to do so much smudging on applications to get peopole into cars as they may have jobs but the national credit ratings are all time bad meaning they cant really afford a new car but it gets done. The amount of upside down trades attempted is astronomical if you go into a dealer and talk to someone who is a friend or family and will speak honestly. Most new car buyers come in within 24 months trying to get out of the contracts but are so upside down on loan to value ratiuos they cant. This new program was directly made for people who cant afford cars well let me rephrase it was made " to help the environment" but since no thought was put through its identical to the home loans that were given no credit bad credit no income verification needed. people who couldnt afford the car and come up with a down payment now have the downpayment which makes the loan easier to get even if they cant really afford it but its free money lets get some fre cars. People dont all think logivcally about the payments and insurance they think me need car me got car now.. Its a very paid program.
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And did they cover her procedure? My girlfriend deals with insurance companies all day long so I have heard all about how they work and how efficient they are. Ands hands down medicare/aid is the best to deal with.
Fletch: lol Efficient thats a joke maybe try them and find out. they paid for things but its a fight the whole way. They fight paying anything at all times and you have to call daily, fax, process, refax. They have hard time believeing you need those kidneys your getting or that heart transplant you got. They are a company that is broke and does not want to pay an utter mess. They dont care what meds doctore perscribe you they will try to force a cheaper alternative on you even if the make up of the meds are different but used for the same type of thing. You have to get so much extra paper work for no substitution just to get your meds.
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You really think that those are the ones that they will be sending to live in the states, that is rediculous
Fletch: Yeah it is but thats his plan. he found one place that took 2 of them and that was Austrailia everyone elsae said no. So you tell me where do they go? No one will take them and Michigan is the only place he has come up with sooo where do they go as he is hell bent on emptying gitmo by January and that gotta go someplace and you dont mind them in your yard soooo..
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China is their main trading partner. If they became aggressive towards them, they would starve them out in a matter of months. China is the only country that can deal with N Korea.
And not being ready in a worse case senerio is not the same as shrugging it off as a joke. Neither of them mean that you need to go blabbering on the news by saying "You better not or I will fucking spank you."
Fletch: Yes China control thier food. You say starve them off for months.. You realise what would happen right away if China did that and its why they dont do it right?? Kim is right next door it is known he has at least 6 nukes ready on mid range missles. You ever see a dog thats been abused and starved? When they have nothing to loose and will die without a fight or maybe survive if they fight they will fgightr. If kim knows he is doomed and the people will turn on him he will launch and take some with him. He keeps thats fear in the air as his blanket of protection hoping people dont forget it and uses itr as leverage. china could try to cut them off but it would take hits on the way out and with thier population a few nukes coulkd kill what 50 million people instantly before Korea was reemoved then China is radio active for what 80 years or so?
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That is just what the republicans want you to think. They are not taking anyones jobs. If an American shows up and asks for a job and a immegrant is there, who will get the work.
Now if the business is hiring them becuase they don't want to pay over the table wages that the american is willing to take under minimum wage, then it is the business that is doing something illegal.
As for signs, people get too rooted in the belief that every american needs to speak english. We don't have a national language. And lets face it, we pushed them out a long time ago. Not too many countries are the natual people considered the minority.
Fletch:Wow this all blows my mind..you are an american citizen correct as you dont seem to know much about our country...Its not the way of saying someones taking your job but they take the money from our countries economy. man this is so basic...Ok i live in a area around a city of 5 million people and we have a heavy illegal immigrant issue. they come get 1 house and put 15 people in it. So they are not adding to the housing economy. They all work yes but they send all but what is needed right back to mexico. Go to the currency exchange on Fridays and firt of the month and there are lines of Mexicans most illegal sending money westren union back to mexico to smuggle more family here or to pay for thier family thier. None of that money went into out economy it all left gone no taxes on it and not spent here. GONE.Now Im not sure where you live but if you went to grade school in the US you know our official national language is English so yes we do have an official language cant believe I had to explain that.It is written in law and recognized as our countriews language and you know whay people get all in arms about people who live here should speak it?? Because this is America this is our language to bve a productive memebr you must know it. The country doesnt change for you you change to be apart of this country. Dont forget your natyive language but for gods sake you must learn english to be an american and be a productive citizen in this society and the issue is too many poussy ass liberals and such say ohhh but they cant go tro school and learn as they dont understand english..well then put them in english classes and when they learn tey can join regular public schools. Its all about being a citizen .If i move to France guess what I gotta speak french..I go to mexico arwe the signs in english for me nope all spainish.
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You act like I was saying something against Bush, I simply said that we dems treated him unfair, and all the nonsence that we spouted and got brainwashed with, is very similar to what the republicans are doing with Obama now.
But just bombing people in their own country is horseshit. We have no right to do it, as we were not attacked by them.
Fletch: Thats was a response to you saying his reasons for war were false and the protesters were good. well his reason were true and proven and I explained that whole thing 2of 3 reason physically show and the third more then enough to know it was true. soo your statement saying his reason for going in were false were actually all true reason making that statement you said completly false so thats why I replied as I did.So Iraq and the Rebbels in Afgahnasatn did nothing to us in your eyes? thats very intersting. As in my eyes I saw them take down 2 US towers and kill dozens of US citizens on our soil and then I see traing tapes of them preping to fight americans and plot domestic bombings to prove a point so for me yeah thet are the enemey and they did it to use we didnt go find them they picked a fight with someone out of jealousy and contempt. Now they have to pay the piper. But thats me you kill my citizens here at home for no reason but to make a point and Ill erase you.
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You border on racism here. To say 'they are not human" is about as close as it gets.
Fletch: Well i never made a statement on race just on thier society but if you defend thier actions thats up to you but to think thier country and culture are respectful or believe in that and are not on the most basic of human levels is nuts. A passionate person who cares about life doesnt strap a bomb on thier body walk into a coffee shop and blow every stranger away to get attention for a cause. thats just crzyy with no regard for life.To live everyday for killking another who doesnt want to folow your supposed god is crazy. Yes all religion is evil and starts most wars. I have n o compassion for those being not from thier race so be careful and know the words you accuse with but for how thiy live thier live and treat others. You smack me and Ill smack you back you shake my hand and talk ill talk with you.Kill my father while he is drinking coffee so the world knows your group Ill find your group and will do my best to make sure everyone knows who you were before I return the favor.
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You brought up how he fucked up with a ipod (that was asked for), and turned it into this. I have no idea where that rant came from
Fletch: If you take the entire statement and not a piece of one sentence it all made sense. Your a representive of the largest free world country there is and your meeting for the first time the Queen of England and an ipod (I never saw or heard any place saying she wanted one so youd have to show me that) to a woman in her what 70s. A chineese mad ipod as your first gift from America to England. It went to show how he doesnt think or prepare he just impulse acts which was what the statement was tied into.
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Your math falls apart because you added a zero. It would have been about $2300 a household. That money may have helped people for a month or two (if they were on the verge of losing their home) but after that it was wasted, with nothing to show for it, but more money in the banks which is not a bad thing.
Instead he chose the other path (to think that the team of economists didn't do the math for a strait stimulus check to the people like the junk $400 one a few years back) to invest that money into the things that needed to get fixed like education, and hard projects like roads and bridges.
Can you imagine getting 300 million people worth of reciepts to check if people got rims? It would never be able to be done.
The middle class tax that is a figment of imagination? There is nothing in the works yet, not saying it won't eventually happen but I see that being more around 2012ish so he can get reelected. That is just republican scare tactics at work again.
Fletch:Nope math was right at 300 million people getting 28000 each thats 8.4 trillion dollars which is right around what he is spending for his stgimulous packages and programs. I agree with you on the point that the first stimulous checks were bad ideas also. But you say the money is put instead of fixing what is wrong now into things like ducation and new roads. Yeah those need attention but are not priority right now. Those are things that if the country doesnt fail might help out in the future but if the country fails before then it helped no one. You dont put a new outfit on before you take a bath as you just ruin the new outfit. You have to stop the free fall and bleeding before you look to fix the future you have to fix the now and he didnt do that at all. great new roads but no cars since people cant buy them and the new socilistic government doesnt have money to give me a free one. So great lets live on the nice new road with my 2 well educated kids who dont have jobs since there are no jobs. Its not even comprehendable to go that route yet. he cant fix it all by spreading just a lkittle everywhere he needs order and preperation and doesnt do either,. You ask about my recipot of checks and balances and say it cant be done. Yeah pretty easily you do realize we are in a computer age right? You see those tv converter cards they gave everyuone? Guess what it was a visa card but could only buy what? A tv converter.. see the program is written for allowable things and rejects others its a very simple thing. Link cards only aloow food purchase not beer. thats trhe simplest thing issues the cards that are programmed no cash so no buying liqour drugs rims, purses,big screen tvs its pays the necessities only and that forces us to be responsible while all that money is back in the flow of our economy now business can hire more employess for the demand, people can catch up and refinace homes at lower rates and be able to survive. Maybe you dont loose your work truck and still do construction jobs. Its all simple and feasible.Now the middle class tax figment.That tax will come by 2010 first quarter he all but said it. he has dropped his tax bracket 5 times and it keeps getting lower and now that he admitted his mistakes he realised there is no choice but to tax to start paying what he is spending. there is no way around it he will have to and anyone with a brain knows it cant come all from the rich or they close up business and do lay offs and dont start new jobs and thwat would seal our fate. Gotta styop and spread the love to the middle class as the poor dont have any to tax.You call it scare tactics but in fact its just more democrate denile. If i close my eyes and say it wont happen it will all go away...not gonna happen Im just hoping and it should be so that we make it through this term and get him out as fast as possible. He has ruined it for African Americans being presidents for awhilke ill guarantee as he just went nuts in there like he did in Illinois, I wish Powell would have ran as he would have done right.
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and now you can see where the real "big brother" is hannimal:
Government Proposes Massive Shift In Online Privacy Policy (8/10/2009)
CONTACT: (202) 675-2312; [email protected]
WASHINGTON The American Civil Liberties Union submitted comments today to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) opposing its recent proposal to reverse current federal policy and allow the use of web tracking technologies, like cookies, on federal government websites. Cookies can be used to track an Internet users every click and are often linked across multiple websites; they frequently identify particular people.
Since 2000, it has been the policy of the federal government not to use such technology. But the OMB is now seeking to change that policy and is considering the use of cookies for tracking web visitors across multiple sessions and storing their unique preferences and surfing habits. Though this is a major shift in policy, the announcement of this program consists of only a single page from the federal register that contains almost no detail.
This is a sea change in government privacy policy, said Michael Macleod-Ball, Acting Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. Without explaining this reversal of policy, the OMB is seeking to allow the mass collection of personal information of every user of a federal government website. Until the OMB answers the multitude of questions surrounding this policy shift, we will continue to raise our strenuous objections.
The use of cookies allows a website to differentiate between users and build a database of each users viewing habits and the information they share with the site. Since web surfers frequently share information like their name or email address (if theyve signed up for a service) or search request terms, the use of cookies frequently allows a users identity and web surfing habits to be linked. In addition, websites can allow third parties, such as advertisers, to also place cookies on a users computer.
Americans rely on the information from the federal government to research politics, medical issues and legal requirements. The OMB is now asking to retain the personal and identifiable information we leave behind, said Christopher Calabrese, Counsel for the ACLU Technology and Liberty Project. No American should have to sacrifice privacy or risk surveillance in order to access free government information. No policy change should be adopted without wide ranging debate including information on the restrictions and uses of cookies as well as impact on privacy.
Government Proposes Massive Shift In Online Privacy Policy (8/10/2009)
Changes Would Pose Serious Threat To Americans Personal Information, Says ACLU
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WASHINGTON The American Civil Liberties Union submitted comments today to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) opposing its recent proposal to reverse current federal policy and allow the use of web tracking technologies, like cookies, on federal government websites. Cookies can be used to track an Internet users every click and are often linked across multiple websites; they frequently identify particular people.
Since 2000, it has been the policy of the federal government not to use such technology. But the OMB is now seeking to change that policy and is considering the use of cookies for tracking web visitors across multiple sessions and storing their unique preferences and surfing habits. Though this is a major shift in policy, the announcement of this program consists of only a single page from the federal register that contains almost no detail.
This is a sea change in government privacy policy, said Michael Macleod-Ball, Acting Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. Without explaining this reversal of policy, the OMB is seeking to allow the mass collection of personal information of every user of a federal government website. Until the OMB answers the multitude of questions surrounding this policy shift, we will continue to raise our strenuous objections.
The use of cookies allows a website to differentiate between users and build a database of each users viewing habits and the information they share with the site. Since web surfers frequently share information like their name or email address (if theyve signed up for a service) or search request terms, the use of cookies frequently allows a users identity and web surfing habits to be linked. In addition, websites can allow third parties, such as advertisers, to also place cookies on a users computer.
Americans rely on the information from the federal government to research politics, medical issues and legal requirements. The OMB is now asking to retain the personal and identifiable information we leave behind, said Christopher Calabrese, Counsel for the ACLU Technology and Liberty Project. No American should have to sacrifice privacy or risk surveillance in order to access free government information. No policy change should be adopted without wide ranging debate including information on the restrictions and uses of cookies as well as impact on privacy.
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