UncleBuck
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free shit?
ya mean, like the tax credit you get just for popping out mini-vegantards?
who's "rules" ...ounce we shred the constitution??
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ya mean, like the tax credit you get just for popping out mini-vegantards?
just saying..... were "YOU" not "someones" tax credit at once?
Canna Sylvan
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I know you're a dummy liberal, but I'll try anyway.
Government interference causes goods and services to increase.
George gets taxed more than Tom because those who make more need to get taxed fairly. George wants the most money. So, George charges more to make up for more taxes. Government collects even more taxes on George's increased revenue (essentially George is taxing Tom too) Tom pays George. Tom pays more taxes. George hires Tom during a visit to his store. He pays Tom more than Sven and Olga he hired a month ago, because they're illegals from Sweden. George tells Tom to make it look like Sven and Olga are making realistic wages, not an "expoit sweat shop." Government uses a percentage, mind you a small one, of George's increased taxed revenue to give Tom a "tax credit." Just enough to make you (liberl retards) jizz your pants and vote Obama. George then increases his prices again. The process continues.
So George makes bank and doesn't give a fuck. Government makes bank and doesn't give a fuck. All while Tom just gets fucked. Then Buck stands on the sidelines jerking it with his, "Yes we did, again!" t-shirt.
UncleBuck
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your level of political understanding rivals that of a four year old.
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
What I explained was what I used to do. I was "Tom." I could only do it for a month before I quit in disgust.
Just because you want to live in a fantasy world in the clouds, doesn't make it true.
Nothing is free. I'm sorry you don't understand this. Even if it were true, the guy who decides where the FREE shit goes wants to get paid. But it's not good enough the FREE shit divy guy gets paid, we need to hire more who will separate duties to prevent fraud. Which has worked great? No fraud exists! It's Bush's fault?
You even post those bullshit graphs showing the rich getting richer, while the poor get poorer. If those tax credits worked so great, along with all your other FREE shit schemes you jizz over, why is that so? Maybe you have the political prowess of a 3 year old? I'll go get you a sippy cup so you don't dribble your magical FREE shit on yourself.
UncleBuck
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are you denying the growing income inequality that rivals what we had right before the great depression struck?
and do you think a $400 tax break and a 2% payroll tax cut are going to undo 30 years of supply side, trickle down, reaganomics?
again, you display the political prowess of a retarded Tom.
Nutes and Nugs
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It's like that barstool economics if you ever read it.
Pretty much why the republicans don't want to "tax the rich".
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for a beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.00
The sixth would pay $3.00
The seventh would pay $7.00
The eighth would pay $12.00
The ninth would pay $18.00
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.00
So thats what they decided to do. The men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with arraignment, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
Since you are all such good customers, he said, Im going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.00.
Drinks for the ten men now cost just $80.00
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men the paying customers? How could they divide the $ 20 windfall so that everyone would get there fair share? They realized that $ 20.00 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybodys share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each mans bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay!
And so:
The fifth man like the first four, now paid nothing ( 100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of 12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid 14 instead of 18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before! And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
I only got a dollar out of the $20 declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, but he got $10!
Yeah, thats right, shouted the seventh man. why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!
Wait a minute, yelled the first four men in union. We didnt I get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didnt show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didnt have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalist and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
Pretty much why the republicans don't want to "tax the rich".
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for a beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.00
The sixth would pay $3.00
The seventh would pay $7.00
The eighth would pay $12.00
The ninth would pay $18.00
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.00
So thats what they decided to do. The men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with arraignment, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
Since you are all such good customers, he said, Im going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.00.
Drinks for the ten men now cost just $80.00
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men the paying customers? How could they divide the $ 20 windfall so that everyone would get there fair share? They realized that $ 20.00 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybodys share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each mans bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay!
And so:
The fifth man like the first four, now paid nothing ( 100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of 12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid 14 instead of 18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before! And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
I only got a dollar out of the $20 declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, but he got $10!
Yeah, thats right, shouted the seventh man. why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!
Wait a minute, yelled the first four men in union. We didnt I get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didnt show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didnt have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalist and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
lol.
what an intellect by n&n. copy and paste emails.
the moral of the story seems to be that the tenth guy goes overseas, where it is "friendlier".
yeah, right. we have one of the lowest effective tax rates in the world here, one of the best labor forces, and consumers galore waiting to snatch it all up.
i've covered why that is a poor analogy before, too. but right wing idiots always need to show off their awesome copy and paste emails.
what an intellect by n&n. copy and paste emails.
the moral of the story seems to be that the tenth guy goes overseas, where it is "friendlier".
yeah, right. we have one of the lowest effective tax rates in the world here, one of the best labor forces, and consumers galore waiting to snatch it all up.
i've covered why that is a poor analogy before, too. but right wing idiots always need to show off their awesome copy and paste emails.
Nutes and Nugs
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- and consumers galore waiting to snatch it all up.
Who has money?
and yes it was copied and pasted from here.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/bar-stool-economics-a-simple-guide-to-the-american-system-of-taxation-and-distribution_07252012
ginwilly
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Do you think bailouts, printing 50B a month for the banks and "investments" into losing business propositions while accelerating the income gap at a record pace is better? Reagan allowed the rich to keep more of their money (the horror) while theorizing they would return it back to the economy. Obama is flat out just printing money and giving it to the rich while telling anyone who will listen they need to pay their fair share. I don't think he means it, I think it's just strategy to divide and conquer.
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
It's because of those FREE shit programs FDR started began to catch up, not supply side. We were on this path long ago. Now SuperO came to our rescue and will do the New New Deal, Obamacare.
Another issue is machines are taking over. If you noticed, Reagan is when our computer revolution for the masses really took off with Macs and PCs coming onto the scene.
Why pay more when a retard can just push a button? Machines have made the McJob possible for even more retards.
The problem is people wanting FREE shit. This digital age requires a different mindset. Until that happens, your "inequality" will never go away. All your cleverness won't solve it. Neither will your mocking.
UncleBuck
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you retards with your "free shit!" arguments.
if that were anywhere near true, the debt would have started piling up steadily starting with FDR.
didn't happen that way. debt started piling up with the implementation of trickle down. same time the income inequality gap started widening.
but please proceed, governor, with your moronic "free shit!" argument.
ClaytonBigsby
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Let's see..... in 1980 our nations debt was about 33% of GDP, and our national debt was about 900 billion. By 1990, after Reagan/Bush, our nation's debt was about 65% of GDP, and our national debt was about 4 trillion. Clearly "trickle down" was not the answer. Clinton came in and actually gave us a budget SURPLUS that would not only pay off our natioanl debt, but continue to save money for many more years. Enter BushCo, who turned a budget surplus into a record deficit, and a fiasco that nearly destroyed our contry, leaving Obama with a national debt of about $13 trillion, two wars costing waaaay more than we were making, and a budget deficit about 120% of GDP. Obama is doing what he can to keep us from complete ruin. Do I agree with everything, no. Do I blame him? Only an idiot would blame Obama for our situation.
Quit being tools. The Fed has destroyed the country while they propped up puppets (politicians) and made you hate each other using tv. Get a fucking clue.
Quit being tools. The Fed has destroyed the country while they propped up puppets (politicians) and made you hate each other using tv. Get a fucking clue.
echelon1k1
New Member
Where the fuck have you been? IT HAS.... Military Industrial Complex empowered by the National Security Act of '47 has been sucking you guys dry. You borrow 40c or more in every dollar and you really think all is well?
UncleBuck
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Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
I think he's clearly trolling me.
You can artificially inflate the economy. But once the infrastructure is in place, if you don't have the means to keep it afloat, it collapses.
Apparently all those houses before the bubble popped were worth that. It was Bush's fault!
Here's something else to ponder. After WWII, most of Europe and Japan was in shambles. Our country was producing during the whole war. Only Hawaii sufferered any real damage. We not only were able to "help" fix everyone, but kept up the war production with Korea, Vietnam but also the cold war too.
It was only a matter of time before the rest of the world got fed up. Or appatently he forgets the "rest of the world hates us," speech he gives.
The wars are more FREE shit programs too. But Buck is so us versus them, he doesn't realize that's why I'm a gun loving "pacifist."
When I or my fellow gun nuts use a gun, it's for entertainment and self defense. But, when government uses a gun, it's to threaten me to stay in line, or Obama will drone my ass.
echelon1k1
New Member
And I suppose you believe the Federal Reserve is just that...the debt started piling up after FDR?
interesting tale, brethren.
Don't worry about inflation though... Oh and that's just the overt budget you and I get to see...
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
well, i guess you chose to abandon your original premise since it was not supported by fact whatsoever.
i have some level of respect for that.
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
Of course you do. That's the liberal way. Take no responsibility, if your cause was genuine. You can hardly be held responsible if it was a genuine mistake.But if the other side does the same: Rosa Parks, Ron Paul, racist. If global scaring was proven false. Woops, our bad, but you gave to a good cause. Also, clean air bitches!