Who Else Knows That Ron Paul will NEVER be President?

NoDrama said:

No one said that, your brain doesn't work right duke.

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he was close, but he missed the part where you said "all laws that give preferential treatment".

you didn't mention civil rights as one of those laws, although you might forgive his misunderstanding of your claim as that is what the discussion centers around.

NoDrama said:

No one said that, your brain doesn't work right duke. I mean I don't get it, youve been here for months and months and you still can't decipher a fucking post nor are you aware of words. Its no wonder you can't discern the meaning of anything you read and just jump to conclusions.

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Im not a duke a prince or any royalty
And i have been here for more than months and months

And as to your assertion you can only get a redress of greivances against goverment institutions
WRONG

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."
The right of public accommodation is also guaranteed to disabled citizens under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which precludes discrimination by businesses on the basis of disability

UncleBuck said:

which laws are harming you?

i am actually interested in which laws are giving others preferential treatment at your expense.

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We could start with affirmative action.

NoDrama said:

We could start with affirmative action.

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Quotas are illegal in affirmative action programs. Employers set targets
(goals) for the employment of women and minorities and a time frame for
achieving their targets. There are no legal penalties if goals are not met, as
long as good faith efforts to achieve them are made.

Affirmative action does not mean the hiring of unqualified people. In fact,
these activities are specifically prohibited by law. Affirmative action allows
competent and qualified women and minorities to compete and excel in areas where
they are or have been under-represented.

When affirmative action programs are administered properly, only qualified
people are hired. Poorly managed affirmative action programs may, on occasion,
result in a corruption of policies. It is explicitly illegal to establish quotas
and fill them with regard only to the race or gender of the applicant. Abuses of
the programs must not be allowed—nor should they be used as an excuse to abolish
affirmative action programs altogether.

Rob Roy said:

You state you have ZERO rights to harm another. We agree there...AND I have zero right to force another to associate with me....that would be harming them wouldn't it?

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close, but completely backwards.

again, no one is forcing anyone to associate with anyone. if a restaurant owner, hotel owner, or gas station owner does not want to treat all customers equally, as civil rights dictates, no one is forcing them to keep their establishment open. hell, they could even make it a members only gas station/restaurant/hotel, as many establishments do.

the harm is introduced when you (not you, but anyone) refuses to serve a specific segment of the population based on some arbitrary thing like skin color, nationality, sexual orientation, age, or whatever else. if you are "open to the public", then you serve the public, equally, and without discrimination. otherwise, you are harming those segments of the population which you refuse to serve, and that makes you the initiator of harmful aggression.

i feel like i am explaining this to a three year old.

NoDrama said:

We could start with affirmative action.

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do go on then.

how is affirmative action harming you?

HereToday said:

Im not a duke a prince or any royalty
And i have been here for more than months and months

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Well duh, of course you have been here for longer than months and months, you have had several avatars so far. Someone who posts 20 times a day doesn't linger for a year or so before making a post, someone who posts that much has already been posting as someone else but got banned and is coming back into the fold. you know we all know who you are.

UncleBuck said:

do go on then.

how is affirmative action harming you?

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By giving someone else more opportunity than myself or at the exclusion of myself.

Canna Sylvan said:

I was refused service at a Korea Town bakery. I at first thought the owner didn't know English until he spoke it just as well as I do to another Korean customer. The owner acted like I didn't exist. Imagine if the owner was white doing that to koreans. The civil rights act had nothing to do with racial equality. It was just a bunch of do gooding self hating white liberals wanting to make themselves washed of all their sins. I'm not saying denying based on race is a good thing, but seriously, it wasn't to make all races equal. It was to give certain races special rights to make up for past wrongs. Those past wrongs were wrong, but the civil rights act wasn't the solution. All it did was cause later reverse discrimination.

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I don't think it can be denied that many people have been discriminated against. I don't condone that. Sometimes when attempting to "correct" things, unintended consequences occur. I sometimes see the point behind WHY a liberal wants certain things, I just don't think when many of them enact "their" solutions they recognize they have simply wrestled the gun from the so-called conservative and they have become the aggressor. Free Market solutions solve many more problems than government ever could.

NoDrama said:

By giving someone else more opportunity than myself or at the exclusion of myself.

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Quotas are illegal in affirmative action programs. Employers set targets
(goals) for the employment of women and minorities and a time frame for
achieving their targets. There are no legal penalties if goals are not met, as
long as good faith efforts to achieve them are made.

Affirmative action does not mean the hiring of unqualified people. In fact,
these activities are specifically prohibited by law. Affirmative action allows
competent and qualified women and minorities to compete and excel in areas where
they are or have been under-represented.

When affirmative action programs are administered properly, only qualified
people are hired. Poorly managed affirmative action programs may, on occasion,
result in a corruption of policies. It is explicitly illegal to establish quotas
and fill them with regard only to the race or gender of the applicant. Abuses of
the programs must not be allowed—nor should they be used as an excuse to abolish
affirmative action programs altogether..

Jose Tyrone Pao and rahjneesh got that job becuase they could pass a piss test and were more qualified than you

NoDrama said:

By giving someone else more opportunity than myself or at the exclusion of myself.

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be more specific. quote the law.

my understanding of affirmative action is that it works the same either way. if there are 10 jobs available, and 90 black people and 10 white people apply, the new hires should be roughly 9 black 1 white, but not necessarily. likewise, if 90 white people and 10 black people apply, the new hires should be roughly 9 white and 1 black, but not necessarily.

please correct me if i am wrong, i have never gone into affirmative action (which has NOTHING to do with civil rights, it is just a *SQUIRREL!* being injected into our discussion).

HereToday said:

Quotas are illegal in affirmative action programs. Employers set targets
(goals) for the employment of women and minorities and a time frame for
achieving their targets. There are no legal penalties if goals are not met, as
long as good faith efforts to achieve them are made.

Affirmative action does not mean the hiring of unqualified people. In fact,
these activities are specifically prohibited by law. Affirmative action allows
competent and qualified women and minorities to compete and excel in areas where
they are or have been under-represented.

When affirmative action programs are administered properly, only qualified
people are hired. Poorly managed affirmative action programs may, on occasion,
result in a corruption of policies. It is explicitly illegal to establish quotas
and fill them with regard only to the race or gender of the applicant. Abuses of
the programs must not be allowed—nor should they be used as an excuse to abolish
affirmative action programs altogether.

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I see you jumped to another conclusion and are arguing against something which no one even made a counter argument to begin with. Look up the words affirmative action, you will notice it is not synonymous with Quota. I never said a single thing about quotas, nor did i infer them. Your brain isn't working right, you should get yourself to a doctor and have things checked, i worry about you.

Are you really this impossible to deal with in life?

UncleBuck said:

be more specific. quote the law.

my understanding of affirmative action is that it works the same either way. if there are 10 jobs available, and 90 black people and 10 white people apply, the new hires should be roughly 9 black 1 white, but not necessarily. likewise, if 90 white people and 10 black people apply, the new hires should be roughly 9 white and 1 black, but not necessarily.

please correct me if i am wrong, i have never gone into affirmative action (which has NOTHING to do with civil rights, it is just a *SQUIRREL!* being injected into our discussion).

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Jobs should be based on merit, not race. Affirmative action doesn't ACTUALLY hurt me, it REALLY hurts the people it was supposed to protect.

Rob Roy said:

Free Market solutions solve many more problems than government ever could.

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why did businesses succeed while discriminating against people on the basis of skin color etc?

could it be that the free market is not the be all, end all, god-like solution to everything?

UncleBuck said:

do go on then.

how is affirmative action harming you?

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NoDrama said:

By giving someone else more opportunity than myself or at the exclusion of myself.

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NoDrama said:

Affirmative action doesn't ACTUALLY hurt me....

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since you shit-canned your own example, want to come up with another one?

or perhaps you can expound on how AA hurts the people it was supposed to protect?

i'm interested either way.

NoDrama said:

I see you jumped to another conclusion and are arguing against something which no one even made a counter argument to begin with. Look up the words affirmative action, you will notice it is not synonymous with Quota. I never said a single thing about quotas, nor did i infer them. Your brain isn't working right, you should get yourself to a doctor and have things checked, i worry about you.

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You should see a doctor, several maybe go to a university. You may offer proof that smoking pot cause schizophrenia

Oh and to answer your question. I am waiting for a private message on harvesting time for Royal Queen Royal Dwarf.
Go by trichs pistil color or time.
It looks like my best course of action is to disengage from this web site and stop procrastinating waiting for an answer. That is why i have posted so much today
What a waste of time

UncleBuck said:

why did businesses succeed while discriminating against people on the basis of skin color etc?

could it be that the free market is not the be all, end all, god-like solution to everything?

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Businesses would be more successful if they did not eliminate potential customers. Failing to exploit a market niche by practicing racism or sexism comes with a down side. The free market would REWARD a nondiscriminator (increased sales) and punish a discriminator.

The rest of your response is emotional. An "unfree market" is a manifestation of... here we go again.....let's all say it...."the initiation of aggression"