whats wrong with these plants..... pics...

gohydro

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gohydro... take a look at the pics from 8-26-09 i posted... they look fatter there than they do now... wtf...

They look a little better but they still look stretched. That shouldn't be an issue under (2) 600S if you flower around 12" and make the temp corrections I mentioned. Here's something I posted earlier:

Why waste light and electricity growing stem? Stretched-out plants are the bane of indoor growers. There are several ways to reduce internodal length and thus grow denser, more efficient buds.


Temperature control

The easiest and most under-used way to control internodal stretch is temperature control. Plant internodal length is directly related to the difference between day and night temperatures – the warmer your day cycle is as compared to your night cycle, the greater your internode length will be. The opposite also holds true; the closer your day and night temperatures, the shorter your internodes will be. Ever notice how as the warmer summer months approach, your plants begin to stretch? Part of this problem may lie in an overall hotter grow-room, but a larger factor is the increased difference between day and night temperatures.

Lets look at putting this to play in your grow room. Maximum temperatures should ideally never rise above 26°C, so you must do everything you can to prevent your room getting too hot (run lights at night, use exhaust fans, air conditioners, etc). An ideal temperature range is 24-25°C when the lights are on, and 22°C when the lights are off.

The temperature technique is most effective under a 12/12 light regime, which is ideal as this is when cannabis stretches the most. When the light cycle is brought to 12/12 we will raise the night temperature to the daytime level of 24-25°C. Space heaters on timers work well for this, and max/min type thermometers are ideal for
tracking temperatures.

It is during the first 2-3 weeks of the flower cycle that most strains begin to lengthen internodes, making it a very important time to control temperature, as this is when the framework for future colas is built. After this 2-3 week window we need to drop the night temperature back down to 22°C, as this is where the plant is happiest.


As floral development begins we need to keep in mind that the total size of your buds is determined largely by average daily temperature, provided it does not exceed optimal. So if you are letting your day temperatures drop below 24°C or your night drop below 22°C, you are costing yourself in overall weight and harvest.

Once your buds have reached optimal size and and you have begun the flushing period, you may consider dropping temperature down to 17-19°C for the final week or two. This drop in temperature triggers anthocyanin production, which intensifies the colour of the floral clusters and makes for a showier bud, especially with "purple" varieties. This final temperature change is not always feasible and can be omitted.

For extreme height control you may even use warmer night temperature than day, but be very careful when running settings like this, as even a zero difference between night and day temperatures will lead to leaf chlorosis (yellowing) after 2-3 weeks.

Some things you will notice while using this technique are a change in the leaf angle, upwards during warm days and downwards during warm nights. There is also the chlorosis if this is done for too long. Neither of these symptoms is nutrient related and will fix themselves when the temperature is changed back.
 

gohydro

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needless to say those are not big bud. i ask you does it look 85% indica? all he needs is co2 in his room during the 90 spike . however he did say it hardly gets to 90. 75-85 is optimal. its a three week flowering sativa. ill say it again its lookn great. do not turn off the 600 btw.
One last time......I never said they "looked like" anything. I said that IF they were BigBud (which he said in the first post) then they are 85% Indica and are highly stretched.

Look...he is trying to combat a problem that he's had time & time again. What makes you think those are "normal Sativas at 3 weeks" if he keeps having the same issues with airy colas over and over?

Yeah...he could use CO2 to combat (take advantage of) high temps but he could also cool down the grow-op. Let him make that decision based on cost.
 

rivers2gates

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first he never said he had "problems with airy colas" he said he failed miserably in the flower stage. second, again he said it hardly ever gets to 90. third, this is common sense they are 27 days into flowering, what are you expecting, liter sized colas? everything looks normal.
 

whatapothead

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i'll get good pics with an actual cam tomorrow and not just my phone.. and i'll shut off the hps's and turn on a floro

i would have to say these plants don't look normal to me but i've never flowered a sativa plant before.... i have had success with BigBud in teh past but this set of seeds were from a different seed site so i'm thinkin i got hosed with a shit strain.
 

gohydro

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first he never said he had "problems with airy colas" he said he failed miserably in the flower stage. second, again he said it hardly ever gets to 90. third, this is common sense they are 27 days into flowering, what are you expecting, liter sized colas? everything looks normal.
Since we're quoting him what he said is that his colas "never fill out". That says TEMPERATURE ISSUES!

I'm not gonna argue with you. I've been growing for over 20 years and I know what an Sativa cola should look like at 27 days under (2) 600's.

In case you didnt see the pic here is my current op with NO CO2 and 23 days under 12/12. Yes it's Indica and YES I know it's different than Sativa but those plants of his are STRETCHED!
 

rivers2gates

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his budds are bigger than yours. with respect, your grow looks great. What are his budds supposed to look like dro'?
 

nellyatcha

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ok so i've only grown this strain of BigBud in hydro until this grow... my first 3 attempts failed horribly in the flower stage and it looks to be happening again.

these plants just seem like they grow lots of hairs but then never fill out....

They started 12/12 on 8-11-09 so 27 days in...

feeding them fox farm bloom nutes and cal-mag always ph'd to 6.8-7.0

tested run off the other day and it was a little low around 6.0 so i've been watering at 7.4 to try bring it up...

but i see ZERO trichs under the microscope and ZERO smell....

should i be worried?

more info...
two 600w hps air cooled systems
temps 75-85* 91* F today as you can see on the thermo but never usually that high.
humidity 40-50%
fans blowing across canopy
5gal buckets with holes drilled in the bottom

also i started flowering at 21-30" tall... now the 30" one is pushin 72" tall..... is that normal and they seem to still be inching upwards at about 4 weeks into flower... never had a plant do that before
do a couple quick super cropping and some tying down and lower your light your stretching like fuck bro
 

gohydro

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his budds are bigger than yours. with respect, your grow looks great. What are his budds supposed to look like dro'?
Thanks for the comment.

I disagree about cola/bud size but this isn't a "who's looks better" forum. His grow is 4-5 days further along than mine but we're both under (2) 600's. His colas look OK but look at the internodal distance. I would bet those plants haven't stopped vertical growth yet.

Look man....we're all here to help and I just offered my opinion based on my experience with Indicas and Sativas. I think if he drops the temps a bit and flowers a bit earlier he may have better luck next grow.

Peace!
 

whatapothead

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ok here are some new pics with an actual camera.

9-8-09 pics

that is mag def correct?

possibly nute burn as well?
 

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whatapothead

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also what are your guys' opinions on super cropping the 4-5 main colas that are 10-12" taller than the rest of the canopy so i can get the lights right down on all the colas....?
 
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