What Joe Crowley's Defeat has to do with Superdelegates

ttystikk said:

Yes it is. I saw it happening. So did you.

But go vote for another Corporate shill and see how that works out.

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Sanders supporters are the definition of hypocrites.


The Hypocrisy of Sanders's Superdelegate Push
Asking Democratic party elites to support him after he garnered fewer votes, won fewer states, and earned fewer pledged delegates cuts against the core spirit of his candidacy.

CONOR FRIEDERSDORF
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/bernie-sanders-superdelegates/486131/

If Sanders would have won more votes, more states, and more pledged delegates, but been denied the Democratic nomination by superdelegates, his supporters would have erupted in outrage, denouncing the nomination as stolen and illegitimate.

Those same supporters cannot in good faith support a Sanders push to secure the nomination with superdelegates now that he has won fewer votes, states, and pledged delegates. It would be farcical for a man who says he’s running to inspire a “political revolution” to ascend to power via party elites subverting the will of voters.

UncleBuck said:

No

Bernie stated that his strategy was to get superdelegates on his side and subvert the will of the voters

He spoke publicly about his strategy many times

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He's spoken many times about getting rid of the Superdelegate system because it subverts the will of the rank and file... which of course was the whole point of them to begin with.

If you have to resort to lying maybe your position isn't as sound as you think it is.

I get it. You're an establishment Democrat. Go lick Clinton's boots some more.

Fogdog said:

Sanders supporters are the definition of hypocrites.


The Hypocrisy of Sanders's Superdelegate Push
Asking Democratic party elites to support him after he garnered fewer votes, won fewer states, and earned fewer pledged delegates cuts against the core spirit of his candidacy.

CONOR FRIEDERSDORF
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/bernie-sanders-superdelegates/486131/

If Sanders would have won more votes, more states, and more pledged delegates, but been denied the Democratic nomination by superdelegates, his supporters would have erupted in outrage, denouncing the nomination as stolen and illegitimate.

Those same supporters cannot in good faith support a Sanders push to secure the nomination with superdelegates now that he has won fewer votes, states, and pledged delegates. It would be farcical for a man who says he’s running to inspire a “political revolution” to ascend to power via party elites subverting the will of voters.

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If you spent half the time on pushing for candidates as you do bashing Bernie you'd actually have some credibility.

fuck bernie sanders. he doesn't have a fucking chance to beat trump.

ttystikk said:

If you spent half the time on pushing for candidates as you do bashing Bernie you'd actually have some credibility.

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Actually, Bernie's campaign did try to subvert the will of the Democratic Party voters by trying to get Superdelegates to switch their vote to him. They did this in closed door meeting just before the election.

The Hypocrisy of Sanders's Superdelegate Push
Asking Democratic party elites to support him after he garnered fewer votes, won fewer states, and earned fewer pledged delegates cuts against the core spirit of his candidacy.

CONOR FRIEDERSDORF
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/bernie-sanders-superdelegates/486131/

Sour Wreck said:

fuck bernie sanders. he doesn't have a fucking chance to beat trump.

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Who better? Another fucking Clinton?

Why not just hold a coronation instead of a primary?

The problem is that neither party is willing to let citizens nominate their own favorites, preferring to pocket huge sums in return for nominating candidates who raise the most money.

Last I checked, democracy is not a synonym for 'highest bidder wins'.

ttystikk said:

He's spoken many times about getting rid of the Superdelegate system because it subverts the will of the rank and file... which of course was the whole point of them to begin with.

If you have to resort to lying maybe your position isn't as sound as you think it is.

I get it. You're an establishment Democrat. Go lick Clinton's boots some more.

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do you want to see videos of bernie sanders, after getting his clock cleaned by clinton, saying he wants to flip superdelegates over to his side to win anyway?

Fogdog said:

Actually, Bernie's campaign did try to subvert the will of the Democratic Party voters by trying to get Superdelegates to switch their vote to him. They did this in closed door meeting just before the election.

The Hypocrisy of Sanders's Superdelegate Push
Asking Democratic party elites to support him after he garnered fewer votes, won fewer states, and earned fewer pledged delegates cuts against the core spirit of his candidacy.

CONOR FRIEDERSDORF
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/bernie-sanders-superdelegates/486131/

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Can't help yourself, can you?

You can be counted on to bash Bernie all day long- even while trying to cover it up by saying you voted for him.

If you spent that effort promoting others who pledge to solve those problems you might actually regain some credibility.

ttystikk said:

Can't help yourself, can you?

You can be counted on to bash Bernie all day long- even while trying to cover it up by saying you voted for him.

If you spent that effort promoting others who pledge to solve those problems you might actually regain some credibility.

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how is citing a news article "bashing bernie"?

we're literally just trying to get you to accept reality

UncleBuck said:

do you want to see videos of bernie sanders, after getting his clock cleaned by clinton, saying he wants to flip superdelegates over to his side to win anyway?

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What's your opinion of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her platform?

ttystikk said:

What's your opinion of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her platform?

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do you want to see videos of bernie sanders, after getting his clock cleaned by clinton, saying he wants to flip superdelegates over to his side to win anyway?

UncleBuck said:

how is citing a news article "bashing bernie"?

we're literally just trying to get you to accept reality

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Because you literally don't do anything else.

ttystikk said:

Because you literally don't do anything else.

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after getting millions less votes, bernie publicly declared he woul[d try to use the superdelegates to subvert the will of the people and get the nomination

you denied this fact. you claimed it was not true

so for pages now we have been cramming this reality down your throat.

swallow it boy

UncleBuck said:

after getting millions less votes, bernie publicly declared he woul[d try to use the superdelegates to subvert the will of the people and get the nomination

you denied this fact. you claimed it was not true

so for pages now we have been cramming this reality down your throat.

swallow it boy

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Bash bash bash bash

Being constructive should come more easily to a carpenter but maybe you're the exception.

ttystikk said:

Can't help yourself, can you?

You can be counted on to bash Bernie all day long- even while trying to cover it up by saying you voted for him.

If you spent that effort promoting others who pledge to solve those problems you might actually regain some credibility.

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I have no remorse about pointing out that Bernie Sanders tried to subvert the results of an election by back room dealing for the votes of superdelegates.

It was you that brought up the fake story of superdelegates "stealing the election" from Bernie. I replied with the truth and make no apology for that. It's you who are trying to cover up facts with a lie.

Your lie, which you keep repeating, is that Bernie's nomination for president was stolen by superdelegates. That is not only false but in fact it was Bernie who tried to steal the election. The only reason you are crying about my posting the facts is because we were able to stop Bernie from stealing the election.

Facts are not subject to your opinion. You are crying foul when I speak truth. Fuck that.

ttystikk said:

Bash bash bash bash

Being constructive should come more easily to a carpenter but maybe you're the exception.

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if you just say you accept that it happened we can move on ya know

we're all worried about your grasp on reality. don't go the way of the trumptards. embrace facts

ttystikk said:

More word salad that confirms that no fancy alphabet soup behind your name can cover for your abject stupidity.

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Word salad?

Is that what you morons call "objective fact" now?

What part of any of it was untrue and how?

Otherwise just stfu...In fact, you should probably just stfu either way given how consistently wrong you are.

SneekyNinja said:

Word salad?

Is that what you morons call "objective fact" now?

What part of any of it was untrue and how?

Otherwise just stfu...In fact, you should probably just stfu either way given how consistently wrong you are.

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Derp.

Pompous clown.

I'm a Progressive and I've been consistently for Bernie- and now AOC.

All y'all establishment Dems have consistently bashed on Bernie and devoted rather little in the way of column inches about what you DO want.

The contrast is hard to miss.

ttystikk said:

Derp.

Pompous clown.

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You literally make Trump look comparable to the late Stephen Hawkins intellect, relatively speaking.