what is it that convinces you ?

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:

the problem with your liberal veiws is that religion indocrinates children ,i would have no problem if religion was left to adults to do in private , but its religious people who pester us in our homes , build there religious buildings ,preach in our streets , threaten us with hell , start wars in the name of there religion .
there are actualy young children who are frightend by religious nonsense thinking they are being watched and if they do wrong they will burn in hell ...........is this how we want children to feel ? whats wrong with leaving all religion out of our schools ?

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Ok, I suposse I failed to mention that schools do not force religion on students. What parents do is what parents do, I can't change that. In some cases religion is extreme and can be considered abusive, in most cases this is not true so it doesn't apply to my post.

Nothing will ever be taught to children if this big cluster fuck of battles keeps going on. Creationism IS important and it SHOULD be taught. I want my son to be taught creationism, he'll decide for him self if its a crock of shit or not. Keeping creationism away from kids is just as bad as keeping evolution from them.

'gods way is the way to life ' lol another bullshit statement .............................wich god are you talking about ? theres thousands humans have invented

in the uk 99% of schools have some kind of religious backing .

mindphuk said:

Where do you find creationism in school? Where exactly do we need to leave it? Do you think it should be taught? .... in science class?

No one has ever said a student cannot pray in school. Do you agree with schools leading students in prayer? Should teachers be allowed to discuss their religion with students to the point of proselytizing? If not, where do you make the cut?

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Creationism can be taught in a Sociology class, Ethnic Diversity class, or World Religions class. Science is science. Creationism does not fall under science.

When I was in high school we had "moments of silence" where students were allowed to pray. I was simply stating what was discussed at this event I attened.

No, teachers should keep their religion out of their teaching to prevent any bias against them or students.

Of course there are limitations.

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:

i found religion in school to be very confusing and quite frightning , there i was trying to respect my teachers ,and look upto them , whilst they were teaching me rediculous storys from the bible wich even at 5 years old i could see massive flaws , shouldnt a teacher be there to teach us things that are true and things that will help us in life ? i can remember seriousley doubting anything my teacher had to say , after she forced me to say lords prayer before dinner.

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I know. I had a few teachers who were very religious.

im not trying to start shit olly im merely having a discussion , its you who come in here callling people assholes and getting on your high horse .

you know , what i just dont get is that why do people give Christians such a hard time while always siding with muslims and the bullshit they want to do? even atheists' support them, i mean, what is it?

a Christian kid cannot put up a verse from the bible to support their football team, but all these muslims can do their rituals all day long... that is just not fair.

mindphuk said:

Where do you find creationism in school? Where exactly do we need to leave it? Do you think it should be taught? .... in science class?

No one has ever said a student cannot pray in school. Do you agree with schools leading students in prayer? Should teachers be allowed to discuss their religion with students to the point of proselytizing? If not, where do you make the cut?

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The Sativa High,

I guess I will go out on a limb here and put some things up that I usually don't. First off I believe God has a plan for everyone's life. With that being said here is my story.

I was raised in Church, simply because my mom was and my parents made me go. I did learn some basic things and was baptised at the age of 9 along with my dad as he
converted from the Catholic Faith to the Baptist. At 13 my parents divorced after a pretty bad situation brought about by aanother lady in a new church we started going to
even after my dad did not want to make the change. We found out a few years after the divorce that the lady at the church that broke my family up was one of these people
that go to church pretending to be something they were not and we found out that our family was not the only victim of this coke dealing lesbian. At that point I quit going to
church and was furious that they would allow this lady to still be an active member of the church after nowing all these things but she was a big contributor so they turned a
blind eye. I chose to live with my father and my brothers and sister had to go with my mom because they were not old enough to make their own decision.

I became involved in a gang because I felt my Homeboys gave me a sense of family. It wasn't long before I was one of the larer suppliers of coke and crack to the area and with
that came drive by shootings, assault and you name it. During all of this I knew I was doing wrong but I could not stop, and the thought of My Lord and Saviour stayed in the back
of my mind regardless. I was own my own at sixteen and was hungry and needed shelter so I did what I had to do to get those necessities. Next thing you know I luckily missed a
30 year federal sentence day for day no early release and watched my buddy go up for the bid. I just happened to not go with him on the trip but sent my 54K with him to take care
of business. Well as soon as he get back the task force was waiting for him behind a snitch. He was charges with aggrivated posession, trafficing, violation of the federal stamp act,
transporting across every state line crossed in doing so, as well as using the phone line to set up the deal. After that I thought I would chill for a while, but that didn't last long. Next
thing you know bam I miss another case for murder in a drive by but my other friends went down and are spending 25+ years due to it being gang related activity, once again I was
supposed to be there but just out of luck my girlfriend at the time just got back from out of town and I decided to stay home with here. After this incident I chilled for a while and next
thing you know I am back at it again and this time almost didn't make it out of a 30 year drug case, luckily they didn't have enough evidence to take me down because they couldn't
prove anything other that I had bags with me on surveilence but never caught me with the product. What was bad in this deal was if they would have busted me it would have been
bad for alot of people because I was supplying a bunch of cops juice. At this point I said that is enough the next time I may not be so lucky. I got tired of dragging bottom so I called
a family member that lived out of town and they said I could come live with them so I did and got back on track got new friends with things going for them and thanked God for bringing
me through the many things oither than just what was talked about above. There is no doubt that if it weren't for God having a plan for me that I would be a caged animal right
now, and if that were the case I probably would have never gotten out because my mentality and I feel the Lord knew that was the case.

During the middle of all the things that were going on above I lost my dad and really got crazy and at one point I overdosed on blue and clears ( ate 12 ) some guys took me home and dropped me at the door
I couldn't walk and no control of my bowels and vomiting perfusely and my heart was in mega overdrive. My vision was was in and out and I was vomiting blood and I keep seeing a Bible next to the bed
and had enough energy to litterlly fling my arm over to enough to knock it onto the bed and prayed saying I would read until I felt it was time to stop so I started. As I started reading every chapter that went by I felt
fuller in a spiritual sense and kept reading next thing you know i felt like it was enough and no joke jumped out of the bed went into the rest room took a leak and when I walked into the kitchen they were actually calling
the ambulance and were shocked as they hung up the phone. I said whats for dinner and ate a huge plate of rice and gravy stewed pork chops and drank a pile of ice tea and was totaly fine. After that point I knew
without a doubt what the reason for me still being here was.

@ olly ,i give all religions a hard time equally , its just on here , most people are from america so guess what ? , as they were born on that bit of the planet they are christian <sniggers> im sure if this was mainly an afghan website we would be discussing the flaws in muslims beliefs lol .

Nothing will ever be taught to children if this big cluster fuck of battles keeps going on. Creationism IS important and it SHOULD be taught. I want my son to be taught creationism, he'll decide for him self if its a crock of shit or not. Keeping creationism away from kids is just as bad as keeping evolution from them.

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Nice Morgan, I can dig this.

no, i have no high horse, you just cant make a thread like this and expect everyone to play nice with you. I have seen your hatred for religion and disrespect for what people believe in. all you do is try to make people feel ashamed about their beliefs, when all you do is strengthen them.

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:

im not trying to start shit olly im merely having a discussion , its you who come in here callling people assholes and getting on your high horse .

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ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:

'gods way is the way to life ' lol another bullshit statement .............................wich god are you talking about ? theres thousands humans have invented

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the god they are talking about is the God that each person respectfully follows and worships, there is not a universal God

im sure if this was mainly an afghan website we would be discussing the flaws in muslims beliefs lol .

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Nope the gastapo would be hunting them down and killing them that is the difference. Being born in the US doesn't have much to do with why people are Christian anymore with all the religions in this now cultural melting pot.
In the US you can be anything you want, the only difference is that you don't suffer prosecution for it here like in other countries.

Here is a link that is very informative on what happens in other countries to Christians, and believe me these muslims will not be happy until this is what happens here in our country.

http://www.persecution.com/

sen.c said:

Nope the gastapo would be hunting them down and killing them that is the difference. Being born in the US doesn't have much to do with why people are Christian anymore with all the religions in this now cultural melting pot.
In the US you can be anything you want, the only difference is that you don't suffer prosecution for it here like in other countries.

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well actually if your a muslim fighting a holly war against america then you will suffer prosecution , imo america is the least 'free' country out there , one in every ten black americans in prison lol come on mate ? you cant seriousley think you live in a free country ?

there is not a universal God

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Kinda like saying all Soft drinks are Coca-Cola, there is only one Coca-Cola.

so you nuts are now admitting theres more than just your god out there ( totally going against everything your religion teaches ) ?

What is it that drives you to come out here and ask questions just so you can attack other's beliefs? Is it that bad being in the miniority? Why would anyone even try to have a discussion where all you want to do is prove how stupid and wrong they are? Are you this much fun at parties?

Nusky said:

The more I do psychedelics the more I realize we're all interconnected and that god exists in some form. I took ayahusca and it felt like there was a female god watching my every move. It was a weird feeling, I just felt watched.

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like we are all in our own Truman Show, very fuckin wicked..... that's the thought i have sometimes anyways

one in every ten black americans in prison lol come on mate ? you cant seriousley think you live in a free country ?

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what does that have to do with freedom? those people make poor choices in their life and end up in prison, then they complain about the living conditions where they are at... i mean come on, you decided to kill someone, and you still have the audacity to complain about the prison?

no, it is totally against what you want asshole! do not complain about name calling when you yourself are name calling asshole...

ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:

so you nuts are now admitting theres more than just your god out there ( totally going against everything your religion teaches ) ?

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