Weed Nerd'n In Europe & Beyond!

TrichomeBob

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Mate, I believe wholly that cannabis daily in large doses can prevent many diseases, I am gonna make some glycerin tincture soon to give to my mum, so she can take a few drops a day, it won't make her high, but im worried she may get cancer as everyone has in my family, and I think this could help. I'm saving all my shake up and once my jars full I'll start!

before I started growing I was a mess,had a lot ofprobs with drugs my whole life. 3 yrs ago before I started growing I was on methadone & clonazepam, as soon as my first harvest came I started cutting down, within six months I was off methadone and benzos, my key worker was amazed as I've been on so many different meds to try and sort everything out. I basically researched specific strains that have helped for these issues and just grew them out, I had enough of hearing bullshit from docs that don't know anything and decided to treat myself.
Also Ive found that the actual growing of the plants is very therapeutic too!

so within 9 months of first starting to grow, I've stopped all opiates, benzos and tobacco and I don't drink alcohol either, I had been an opiate addict for nearly 20 years, on methadone 10+ years and seriously cannabis has prob saved my life, as I wouldn't have lasted much longer.

i personally believe that cannabis has the potential to help or cure most things, but u cant expect to buy weed from some dealer and it to work, u need to research and try what strains gonna work for u and it needs to be grown properly, as far as harvested at the right time anyway.

how my regime sort of works now is I have some mainly sativa Dom strains to smoke during the day, I used to suffer with depression a lot and basically just sleep all day, so I try to get up pretty early, the hours my tents are on helps as I need to be about 3 times a day :), so my daytime smoke just generally makes me happy and gives me a up buzz, I have a stash of original haze for when I need a extra boost! And then keep the indicas for night, use strains like bubba Kush / Shiva etc to help me sleep too.

as for my hash pressing, I've always pressed my hash as I prefer it, def frenchy style, though I'd love to have some of the planks of hash he makes, most I ever get is a few g's and that goes pretty quick!

Oh and as for Shiva Skunk, I thoroughly recommend this strain, it was my first ever plant I grew and ended up keeping here, she's from Sensi Seeds and still one of the best strains I've grown, u need to veg her though to get the yield as she only stretches about 50%
 

TrichomeBob

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@Trichomebob: info at k4less is the mail i've used but "Dan" answered me not rick. I might give that other website a chance if those guys dont answer me today. I've sended them an e-mail telling them i didnt meant to be rude and could understand the delay based on time difference - great song by Homecut & Jlive - but if they didnt get back to me i'll have to postpone the order to september.

From the moment my order is placed it's at least 8 days to get the package - up to 3 weeks - than an other month to get the soil cooking... You're gonna tell me a day wont make a difference but as i said the closer to the finish line the tougher it is to keep your cool hehe and i'd like to get this shit done now - plus being in limbo with a half ass soil kind od sucks now that half's done and i dont know how i should adjust...anyway.

I'll let you know what's up.

Your bud looks fucking mamazing man, i can tell you're a good grower with good method. Those cali guys got nothing on you. That green crack looks fucking amazing, i'm not big on purple buds but damn does that one look tasty!

@roor8911: bro i'm not sure if you grow but if you dont go for it, you'll never go back and if you're smart enough not to get busted by the cops when picking up on a regular basis you're probably smart enough to grow without getting busted. As Trichomebob said even Amsterdam weed is gonna end up being crap to you once you start growing. When i go there i smoke a bit hoping to find something decent - you still find some good bud in a few shops but the prices are ridiculous! - but mostly Amsterdam became a hash fest to me...

Peace!
Hey bud, thanks for the compliments, I have to disagree with you on the Cali guys, but I won't too much ;p I look upto The West Coast growers a lot!

mate I know how ya feel, I'd be pissed too, If they're gonna ignore u because u got short with them, they ain't gonna last long in business. Def try the other guys, I've just got the feeling they're the same people!

whats the main things ur short on, azomite and alfalfa? If so alfalfa can be missed and azomite can be replaced with glacier rock dust, it doesn't have as many trace minerals but it's the next best thing I believe. Rock dust is quite easy to get in uk, so shouldn't have probs across the pond!

and as for growing roor8911 just plunge straight in, I put it off for years and u don't need a lot of space either, Everythings in my bedroom and i sleep next to it, lol, I have a 1.2x1.2x2.0 flower tent, 75x75x200 veg tent split in two for prop and veg and a small clone tent I use for clones/males, after many successes and failures I've recently got it locked down, have 4 flowering plants in 20 litre airpots that reach around 5ft in their pots at the end, I harvest a plant every 2-3 weeks depending on strain, and replace with one that's been vegging for aprox 2 months, the most plants I have growing at a time (not including mothers or clones) is 7 at dif stages
 

roor8911

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"if you're smart enough not to get busted by the cops when picking up on a regular basis you're probably smart enough to grow without getting busted"


haha this made me laugh got some pretty amazing stories to tell about not being caught actually haha might share later


dam trichbob! i feel pathetic now for getting hooked on a smoking a bong, when you have been through all that good on you man and keep up your good work!!


but as for growing i am currently in my second run and getting much better results than my first


the thing is on my first run i just jumped into organics, thought id read everything there is to read
i put together my super soil but it was a bodge
way to hot on everything particuarly N and i didnt let it cook long enough either
and i put my girl into flower when she was so stressed from the nutes


after all this i got barely a half oz of a topped 2ft ish plant


my second grow i went back to the forums re read and it all made sense why id screwed up so i got myself a copy of teaming with microbes and started again also discovered nugs main lining, frenchys hash, matt rizes hash, no till grow thread, and of course the weed nerd and loads of other interesting threads along the way...
but i was already hooked by this point and couldnt wait another month for soil to cook, so i used my bodged mix again hoping that some of nutes would of been used up and it is definitely going a lot better
i have experimented and used this run as a tester sort of like attempting main lining, like planting other things like lettuce in there to soak up the nitrogen excess as that is what i had determined it was... and either it seemed to work or the soil is a lot better or wwxbb just loves nutes or a combo of the lot i dont know but its a 1000x better than my first ill post some pics up later


i have that soil mix i posted earlier in this thread cooking as we speak cannot wait


also got some TGA seeds to throw in there too


just out of interest that trichbob that you have cab sounds a bit smaller than mine (edit didnt realise you were talike meters)..... what lights have you got in there... because im thinking of upgrading to 2x150hps in a 2.10x2.10x2 FT but im not sure if itl be too hot? im currently using 2 45w cfl and 150w cfl and its pretty hot in there with door shut


sounds like you have a nice set up there man i can only dream or get real creative with space youre tiny veg room intrigues me sounds like you are working with the same sort of limitations i am


i wish i had space to have a seperate tent that would help so much but im just happy learning and growing one plant for now im sure i could do two in my box but i don't need ounces and ounces haha and drying that much would stink!


although it would be nice to be able to cure and have for long term
id also like to try a very small, i cant even really call it breeding, just making some crosses...but i would like to try and not just take any old male and mix with any old female it just all sounds very interesting.


anyways enough of my rambilngs
peace B"bongsmilie
 

SHvisitor

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@Trichomebob: Rick was in holiday he's back and seems to read the shit i send him at least. I'm very hopefull about getting this done before friday :) Your setup is exactly what i want to do. Got the split tent and use the bottom for clone, veg with the sunshine and bloom on the top compartment but i want to get my self and other 1x1x2m tent to basically have the same "cycle" as you have. Cutting a baby every 4/8 weeks. 4 of them vegged for 6/9 weeks in 5 to 10 gallon pots, once you saw Sub sized plant you feel like a moron with half sized one. Sure main lining get's me far better yield on 1m30 of height than what i had before using the entire tent, still i want to grow trees haha.

Humbling speech you just gave for all of those thinking they have an addicition issue with cannabis. I'm a stoner , and i am addicted but just like every one addicted to something. I got lucky enough to be so much of a pot head when i was younger than i used it as a lesson not to fuck with other drugs...i do smoke cigs cause i cant smoke pot all day everyday but i'll be quitting those bitches sooner than later.

@roor: Man time/work will make you a better grower for trichomebob to grow nugs like that he must have been growing for 5/10 years easy. On the other hand you're a lucky fuck to have putted you hands on such information on your second growth. I cant be much of an help about the ss soil problem as mine is a homemade and pretty light as i only have the blood meal bone meal and guano in it...stick with it , fall and stand back up, soon enough you'll be growing buds like trichome bob. It took me about 2 years to grow weed that's better than Amsterdam weed...i'm pretty happy about that haha, since then i'm lurking at U.S grower and trichome bob i didnt meant to be polite. You took those pics on the run, but i ca tell your nugs are sweet as hell!

It's good to start building up the E.U community. I'll tell an other uk friend i have to come over, let's hope he does :)

Peace!
 

roor8911

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yeah i havent been growing a year yet haha, but i cant wait to have the experience some of you guys have

I am dying to see what this harvest turns out like its looking so much better.

yeah we cant be the only weed nerds in europe :P

so what do people think about 2 150w hps in a 2.10x2.10 box? too much? thanks

B"bongsmilie
 

roor8911

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lol no feet 2.10x2.10 ft unfortunately, thanks anyway :)

just been moving a lot of stuff around my room too, i have been inspired by trichs small veg room, and as soon as i have the money to kit it out, i now have a space for a small veg box.
This could greatly help keep my cycle going, and my cash in my pocket not the dealers.

peace B"bongsmilie
 

roor8911

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"most I ever get is a few g's and that goes pretty quick!"

yeah i am hoping to be able to make some hash from this crop if its decent, how much trim roughly do you use to get your couple of grams though?

thanks B"bongsmilie
 

SHvisitor

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A plant gives me a few gramms. Depending on the strain of course but when having 4/6 plants in my 1m2 tent those plants(3/6 weeks veg) give me about 2gs. A Kaboom once gave me close to 5g but it was so full of cristal i might have been smoking pcp before opening the tent and when i forgot to take a clone out of her - live and learn.

I'm gonna lean toward dry sifting though, ever since frenchy said paki makes their hash this way. I never smoked better hash than eastern asian hash and ice-o-lator cant compare if you ask me. I might loose some trichomes but i need ot get this down, cant wait for Frenchy tutorial.

@TrichomeBob: Seems like i'm ordering my shit on K4L tonight. Next order is either Frenchy's bag or Sannies seed :D

Peace nerds!
 

roor8911

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where you getting the frenchy bags from around here? lol

thanks for info SH, yeah thats what i was thinking, i might get a couple gram of a plant (just sugar trim) at a time

its a shame freezing the trim can make such a difference as id like to save some trim up and make a nice chunk one time.
 

TrichomeBob

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"if you're smart enough not to get busted by the cops when picking up on a regular basis you're probably smart enough to grow without getting busted"


haha this made me laugh got some pretty amazing stories to tell about not being caught actually haha might share later


dam trichbob! i feel pathetic now for getting hooked on a smoking a bong, when you have been through all that good on you man and keep up your good work!!


but as for growing i am currently in my second run and getting much better results than my first


the thing is on my first run i just jumped into organics, thought id read everything there is to read
i put together my super soil but it was a bodge
way to hot on everything particuarly N and i didnt let it cook long enough either
and i put my girl into flower when she was so stressed from the nutes


after all this i got barely a half oz of a topped 2ft ish plant


my second grow i went back to the forums re read and it all made sense why id screwed up so i got myself a copy of teaming with microbes and started again also discovered nugs main lining, frenchys hash, matt rizes hash, no till grow thread, and of course the weed nerd and loads of other interesting threads along the way...
but i was already hooked by this point and couldnt wait another month for soil to cook, so i used my bodged mix again hoping that some of nutes would of been used up and it is definitely going a lot better
i have experimented and used this run as a tester sort of like attempting main lining, like planting other things like lettuce in there to soak up the nitrogen excess as that is what i had determined it was... and either it seemed to work or the soil is a lot better or wwxbb just loves nutes or a combo of the lot i dont know but its a 1000x better than my first ill post some pics up later


i have that soil mix i posted earlier in this thread cooking as we speak cannot wait


also got some TGA seeds to throw in there too


just out of interest that trichbob that you have cab sounds a bit smaller than mine (edit didnt realise you were talike meters)..... what lights have you got in there... because im thinking of upgrading to 2x150hps in a 2.10x2.10x2 FT but im not sure if itl be too hot? im currently using 2 45w cfl and 150w cfl and its pretty hot in there with door shut


sounds like you have a nice set up there man i can only dream or get real creative with space youre tiny veg room intrigues me sounds like you are working with the same sort of limitations i am


i wish i had space to have a seperate tent that would help so much but im just happy learning and growing one plant for now im sure i could do two in my box but i don't need ounces and ounces haha and drying that much would stink!


although it would be nice to be able to cure and have for long term
id also like to try a very small, i cant even really call it breeding, just making some crosses...but i would like to try and not just take any old male and mix with any old female it just all sounds very interesting.


anyways enough of my rambilngs
peace B"bongsmilie
Hey bud, Soz for late reply, been a bit busy.

thanks for ya words bud!

As far as growing mate, actually growing is the best way to learn, I was pretty lucky, my first grow was pretty good but I put that down to the fact I didn't really have a life then, lol, I was 24hrs a day monitoring my tent so temps never rose above 28 and kept humidity etc in check. For me the environment is the most important thing, then genetics, then abilities etc come into it, even with shitty genetics aslong as you have ur environment in check you'll produce good buds!

I'm running a 600w HPS in flower tent, but will upgrade by next summer for a 1000w air cooled hood if I can find one with a 5" outlet, 6" fans are too noisey and can't be bothered with reducers etc. in veg tent the bottom 1.2m ish I have a 150w MH and uptop a 4x2ft T5 system, and have recently just bought a 40cmx60cmx60cm (something like that, lol) clone tent that has a 28w T5 in it.
before I was running a 150w cfl in the veg part and upgraded to MH which is much better, the 150w are pretty good and even in these temps my veg tent stays around 23 degrees, though I do have a 4" rvk extracting uptop and both passive intakes open.
they don't produce hardly the heat I was expecting so recommend them.

alli did bud was start of with my larger tent, it's took me roughly 3 years to build it up, thes always something that can be improved, the weather this year has hit me and I don't like my temps rising above 26, so once what ive got growing a finished I'm gonna take a break for a month and sort out my intake/extract for flower tent, I have them literally a few inches apart and I reckon the majority of the air I'm extracting is getting sucked back in.

as far as space wise it's a little crammed, but the way I do it now is start in like 3" square pots, then transplanted into a 3 litre airpot, I have space below for one plant in its final 20 litre pot and another in a 3litre, as soon as I move the 20litre into the flower, I repot the 3 litre one into her final 20 litre pot, and so on, so the plants just kinda move up a space or pot everytime a plant finishes. Although its by no means perfect as some plants get left a little too long in their pots.

for curing, most my stuffs been cured for atleast a month, though I do nick some if its tempting :), that will come with time bud, took me a good 18months until I was happy with My stash, it will buildup if u don't sell any and keep growing.

the breeding ive just had my first go at, and probably last, lol, I crossed a original haze father with a Buddhas sister mother, personally with the space I have it's not worth it, I grew out 20 seeds and selected 3 different phenos as well as u can at that stage, one was very hazey, one in middle, and one very indica, it's took me about 6 months or so to get where I am and I won't be keeping any, lol. The indica one makes massive buds and has finished and been curing a few weeks, it smells disgusting, like some sort of lettuce smell and I'll prob just save it for tincture, the one in the middle has just been cut and drying at day 82, smells I've and fruity and a load of resin but to worth the 80 days grow, and the haze one is still going, it's like day 84 now and I reckon she got 2-3 weeks left at least, she looks hopeful, def the best looking, absolutely massive hazey fluffy buds that look like their dipped in glass, but still not worth the 100 days plus. So that's the extent of my breeding and have given up and decided to let others do it and I'll reap the benefits, hehe. If I had ALOT more space I may give it a go again.
But don't let that put ya off as you may hit the jackpot and find something good!
 

TrichomeBob

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A plant gives me a few gramms. Depending on the strain of course but when having 4/6 plants in my 1m2 tent those plants(3/6 weeks veg) give me about 2gs. A Kaboom once gave me close to 5g but it was so full of cristal i might have been smoking pcp before opening the tent and when i forgot to take a clone out of her - live and learn.

I'm gonna lean toward dry sifting though, ever since frenchy said paki makes their hash this way. I never smoked better hash than eastern asian hash and ice-o-lator cant compare if you ask me. I might loose some trichomes but i need ot get this down, cant wait for Frenchy tutorial.

@TrichomeBob: Seems like i'm ordering my shit on K4L tonight. Next order is either Frenchy's bag or Sannies seed :D

Peace nerds!
Good to hear u got shit sorted with K4L, rick seemed pretty sound when I was talkin to him, advice for the bags is make sure u get the right micron sizes, I bought mine a yr or so ago before I found Frenchie etc. so I ended up having to buy another 2 bags, the 220 is a waste, i use the 190 as a work bag and collect with a 38, 70, 120. You don't really need the 120 but i like to use it with sativas.

i wanna get into dry sifting too, Tastes so much better than bubble.
 

TrichomeBob

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where you getting the frenchy bags from around here? lol

thanks for info SH, yeah thats what i was thinking, i might get a couple gram of a plant (just sugar trim) at a time

its a shame freezing the trim can make such a difference as id like to save some trim up and make a nice chunk one time.
hey bud,

I don't think Frenchie makes them, he's just kinda affiliated to one company, so they have his approval :) can't remember the name but the sites on his cannoli thread!
 

TrichomeBob

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Fuckin Epic, Subs just given me a shoutout at the beginning of the Nerd, about 4mins in with Mz Jill, by my Alter Ego, well in fact this names my Alter Ego, my YT acc is in my other name!
 

roor8911

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"Fuckin Epic, Subs just given me a shoutout at the beginning of the Nerd, about 4mins in with Mz Jill, by my Alter Ego, well in fact this names my Alter Ego, my YT acc is in my other name!"

haha sweet man was just about to watch the new episode watching George Carlin at the moment quality stand, up american ( i only mean that as its not so relevant to us Europeans) but so spot on.

cheers for all that info about your lights, curing, your breeding project etc.... and no worries about the late reply mate.... so do you think 2 150s in that box would be overkill......they would be sort of on top of the box...... if you know what i mean.... im sure this will help with the heat issues as they wont be in the box as such.

and haha yeah i really need to get my extraction/ inlet sorted i have re done it 3 times already and, i cant get it under 90f (sorry im to used to working in US temps now ahah) with door closed, which is better than my first attemept when temps hit 105f!
i am using a desk fan for extraction, but because of the motor mounted on the back, i cant have it pulling the air through my extraction.
which is just a bit of pipe with a homemade reducer on end and a home made silencer attached to that. Currently running without a carbon filter
ill post some pics up soon
so its currently pushing the air, i think this could be why its not so efficient. Dont get me wrong you can really feel the air coming out so i dont know maybe its a to small inlet :S i think it needs an overhaul but i just got no money haha..............................................................

i know i need much more space to properly be able to carefully select genetics phenos etc
but i was going along the lines of...... the genetics are already good, the works been done for me there, so just see what happens when i chuck some pollen on a nice juicy mother, i do like i said before however, want to look into as much as possible before.

so im choosing a good male with those precious recessive drug traits and not a early to show sex hempy dom male.
I am sure with a lot of research and patience this could be achieved. i would just like my own cross haha

i know this could mean growing a male to near completion and then scrapping it but im not bothered about the waste of time space etc, as i see it itl be a great project that i get to learn a lot more about this intriguing plant growing, seeds, pollen collecting, cloning there is loads to delve into and learn about :)

maybe i am trying to run before walk but im not rushing this in anyway and its always better to be thrown in at the deep end if you want to learn

and yeah you never know i could hit the jackpot and get a nice stable interesting juicy cross all of my own

Another reason i would like to give it ago, is the seeds, so i can share them and cut down and costs

Yeah i knew frenchy got them from a company.....he says so on the hash making vid hes got on youtube............. really worth a watch, love the accent haha!
but cheers anyway mate
i just thought it was some company in US and i presumed shipping would be a bomb, or the bags themselves would cost a fortune i havent really looked into it to be honest so skint right now

thanks again for your reply

peace B"bongsmilie
 

roor8911

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photos of exhaust fan, inlet fan + two supplement fans blowing diagonally across the box in either direction.

and then photo of homemade reducer/silencer..... the reducers made out of a bit of funnel really cheap and really works but with out silencer is too loud

also a picture of the old exhaust set up

B"bongsmilie
 

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TrichomeBob

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For the bags bud it may be worth trying the site frenchy says, I'm sure they'd deliver to the UK. Bags are expensive, if u can I'd recommend paying a bit more and going for either frenchys or bubblemans or mila's. I've got mila's bags and they have lasted over a year so far and still look new, just remember to clean them well, straight away after use, don't even leave them for 10-15 mins or so as it will be a lot harder to clean. The average price I found per bag was like £25 each, I'd stick away from the eBay options as ve heard bad things about cheap bags. You could even just get 2 bags to start with, like a 190 and a 70, though u would lose some from the 38/40 bag.

as for the lights two 150s would prob be too much unless to can get your temps unde control, u wanna aim for never going over 85 ish, lower if poss, especially with your height the high temps will make ur plants stretch a lot and you'll lose a lot of yeild. If I was you, that'd be my first tinge spent money on, if u got a 4" rvk you could handle the two 150s, the 4" fans are not loud at all, and even less if u make a box for them and have on a speed controller, In my bedroom I have one 5" and two 4" RVKs running 24/7, literally within a couple meters of my bed and I hear them, but not much, and I've found that the humming it causes actually helps me sleep.
You could maybe get a few pc fans off eBay, I just bought a couple for my dry box and were only like 2.50 each, if I've imagined ur extraction right, and add them in the middle of your tube/ducting so they suck the air out, you can put a few inline with each other to increase the suction, sucking ;p is the way to go with extraction, lol.
So at the mo you kinda have a tube with silencer coming out the box, and u have a fan just aimed at the tube to blow the air out? Did I get it right? I'd remove the silencer as that's just gonna hinder the air flow.


Keep us updated on your breeding project and I'm 'Omar X' on YT, Sub made my day today, lol. ;)

Laters Bud
 

TrichomeBob

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photos of exhaust fan, inlet fan + two supplement fans blowing diagonally across the box in either direction.

and then photo of homemade reducer/silencer..... the reducers made out of a bit of funnel really cheap and really works but with out silencer is too loud

also a picture of the old exhaust set up

B"bongsmilie
lmao, that weren't up when I was writing previous post.

Looks good bud, that should still suck the air out fine, when u say ur keeping it about 90 now, is that during our hot spell we have now, cos Ive been struggling too, I max out at bout 85 so 90s to too bad, when the ambient temps drop you'll prob find it'll drop to round 80.

i think you could manage a 150w in their, the 150w hood I bought (was only one I could find in uk and about £20) says it works for a size of 60cmx60cm perfectly, i use it in a 75x75 fine. They also say it penetrates upto about 50cm until u notice massive lumen drop.
i keep mine about 8-10" above plant with fan blowing in between.
So the other factor will be ur light will be higher with a 150w MH/HPS so nearer the extraction, which should help with temps.

id recommend cutting the hole at the end of the plastic cup a bit more so the airflow is not being obstructed on its wait out.

It was 3CH were I got m 150w light package, the hood, bulb, ballast was like £63 all in, though I wish I had ought the 250w dimmable lumatek ballast option for like £95 or something, but didn't have it in stock and I couldn't wait. The ballast I got although it was sold as digital it's not silent, and makes this high pitch noise when it first turns on which is annoying. Also with the lumatek I could upgrade to 250w
 

roor8911

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thanks man appreciate the help and advice
im thinking of getting two of these, ha just noticed its 3ch to :P probs the same one http://www.3ch.co.uk/grow-lights/hid-grow-lights/150-watt-digilight-metal-halide-system/prod_1456.html

so you think the extaction is ok then. ill cut that hole now thanks for that.......i cant tell whether its this weather or not because.......... around the same time this weather hit i added a 150cfl in box which massively upped my temps they were more stable before. i think my issue is the reflectors my friend made the one with the 150cfl is so hot to the touch so i guess its acting like a radiator in there........ but there is not much i can do till i can afford another fan to blow some heat off it and keep it cool.

i understand what your are saying about the heat and the stretch it makes sense
although my plants dont seem to mind the heat at the moment, barely any leaf curl but i would like to get it down and under control..... just so i can shut the door, no good having to have it open all time.
Also i dont know if its causing any stress that cant be seen and causing a loss to yield who knows must be a reason everyone says keep it 70 to 80
my only thing with this is....... consider the climate it naturally grows in, sometimes temps must exceed 30 sometimes 40 degrees c so it cant all be that bad temp wise i would just feel more comfortable with a stable lower temperature.

As for the bags i find some on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1Gal-4bag-kit-Bubble-ice-bags-grow-lights-digital-ballast-bubble-ice-magic-now-/251091536385?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7638ca01 thinking of getting those seen mixed reviews......anyone had any experience with these?
thanks again trichbob
peace B"bongsmilie
 
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