Was jesus real?

bobharvey

bobharvey

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I guess that historians all have it right too. We should believe everything we are ever told right? Why would anyone lie? People don't lie on everyday. We should just believe what people said two thousand years ago before they had the ability to say..."what a second, is this right, can i confirm this with corroborating evidence before i decide what i believe"

Booky do you just believe everything you hear? No matter what you believe whatever everyone tells you without a single doubt. If so you're a moron. And do yourself a favor and look up the word moron...since you're not going to because you probably don't know how to look for answers yourself...i will link it for you: www.answers.com/topic/moron, www.thefreedictionary.com/moron, www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moron.

There that is what we call sources...i've given you 3 have a field day!
 
boooky

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bobharvey said:
SO, your proof that Jesus existed is that bigfoot is real???
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No but you gotta be realistic......When was the bible written? Back in a time where they didnt just right storys or fairytails because it would be considered wrong and the people that wrote it would be killed...

Time back then was egypt(spelling sorry) running the world kinda like hitler...Its proven considering all the tombs. You know all the big triangle things in the desert the jews where used as slaves to make?

Its not just the bible its history its self with some light here and some light there.......But it really happend just like the holocost.....So in a sence I would suppose people 10,000 years from now will think the holocost was made up because of how we speack today will be so much different from then.....History is the facts go get a history book....
 
boooky

boooky

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bobharvey said:
I guess that historians all have it right too. We should believe everything we are ever told right? Why would anyone lie? People don't lie on everyday. We should just believe what people said two thousand years ago before they had the ability to say..."what a second, is this right, can i confirm this with corroborating evidence before i decide what i believe"

Booky do you just believe everything you hear? No matter what you believe whatever everyone tells you without a single doubt. If so you're a moron. And do yourself a favor and look up the word moron...since you're not going to because you probably don't know how to look for answers yourself...i will link it for you: www.answers.com/topic/moron, www.thefreedictionary.com/moron, www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moron.

There that is what we call sources...i've given you 3 have a field day!
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Hey dick face.......Lets not fucking call people names when talking to them ok you fucking mooly?

Leave moron out of the equasion if you want to have a civilized talk with me cunt......

I mean really did I attack you? Fuck no!! And you just tryed to take the piss out of me?
Damn I wonder how you talk to your mother when she disagrees with you?

I want some damn facts on how you where raised...Fuck jesus we need to save your little hatefull ass..
 
email468

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SHOOT2KILL66 said:
I started off with constructive post but think just became aware that its just a brady bunch of know it all stoners doing some google searches and posting there results haha


keep posting
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You once complimented me for stating my opinion without insulting anyone and now you turn around and state absolutely nothing in an extremely insulting manner. Why not use your much vaunted Google search to argue against what is being said rather than being a jackass?

don't keep posting. ha ha.
 
email468

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boooky said:
Jesus did exist and did die for nothing......Because you dont want to beleive history thats not anyones problem.. Where is your source for saying he didnt exist? How can you justify that? You cant because people have tryed and they all have come up with jesus was real and the story is real...The way people see it is them but he was real, he did die for nothing, and he did good by his people....

You are the type of person that wont beleive in big foot until you see him locked in a cage....Even though all the evidence says hes real you lack to beleive in the fellow man and thats your problem know body elses so stop takling on the subject asking for facts when you lack facts for your self...Grabbing religious shit off google doesnt count considering its google. Thats like looking on the back of a noodle package for directions on how to make brownies.....
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Hi boooky - it is up to the person making the claim to prove something is real. not the other way around. And yes - until we see actual proof bigfoot doesn't exist. I can't believe you compared Jesus to bigfoot - that is what atheists do!

PS - there is no evidence that he ever existed as a real man. you are the one that needs to do some research.
 
email468

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boooky said:
No but you gotta be realistic......When was the bible written? Back in a time where they didnt just right storys or fairytails because it would be considered wrong and the people that wrote it would be killed...

Time back then was egypt(spelling sorry) running the world kinda like hitler...Its proven considering all the tombs. You know all the big triangle things in the desert the jews where used as slaves to make?

Its not just the bible its history its self with some light here and some light there.......But it really happend just like the holocost.....So in a sence I would suppose people 10,000 years from now will think the holocost was made up because of how we speack today will be so much different from then.....History is the facts go get a history book....
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wow - you couldn't more wrong and you are telling him to do research? have you ever heard of the levant? Sumaria? the hittites? outside the bible, there is no evidence of Jews EVER being enslaved by the Egyptians.

The bible was written in a time that all they knew were fairy tales (or more accurately allegorical literature) - science wasn't around then.

I submit that you need to go get a history book.
 
email468

email468

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boooky said:
Hey dick face.......Lets not fucking call people names when talking to them ok you fucking mooly?

Leave moron out of the equasion if you want to have a civilized talk with me cunt......

I mean really did I attack you? Fuck no!! And you just tryed to take the piss out of me?
Damn I wonder how you talk to your mother when she disagrees with you?

I want some damn facts on how you where raised...Fuck jesus we need to save your little hatefull ass..
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agreed - no reason to be insulting or resort to ad hominem - even in retort.
 
bobharvey

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email i always enjoy reading your posts because you're clearly educated and i will look up those sources you gave me to continue on my journey. Everyone else that has given any helpful information I would like to thank you too. Those of you who are offended by the notion that Jesus didn't exist need to question why that offends you. I never once said that GOD didn't exist. Jesus Christ could be made up but it has nothing to do with God. Idk what God is...but i don't think it God is what Christianity claims. God is a completely different subject than Jesus.
 
boooky

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email468 said:
wow - you couldn't more wrong and you are telling him to do research? have you ever heard of the levant? Sumaria? the hittites? outside the bible, there is no evidence of Jews EVER being enslaved by the Egyptians.

The bible was written in a time that all they knew were fairy tales (or more accurately allegorical literature) - science wasn't around then.

I submit that you need to go get a history book.
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I just suck at explaining it......Doesnt make me a moron though or a mormon(BWAHHA) Saying its not true is selfish though...In many different ways for one "you" dont know and niether do the people you got "opinions" off of or the people I get my "opinions" from and beleive make sence..

Arguing over this still doesnt make the point no body will ever know what happend back then or if its true or not..simply because we where not there. I mean weather they are "facts" or not what makes your source better then my mind? Considering they are both just ideas but from different people.....Nobody will ever think alike..
 
email468

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bobharvey said:
email i always enjoy reading your posts because you're clearly educated and i will look up those sources you gave me to continue on my journey. Everyone else that has given any helpful information I would like to thank you too. Those of you who are offended by the notion that Jesus didn't exist need to question why that offends you. I never once said that GOD didn't exist. Jesus Christ could be made up but it has nothing to do with God. Idk what God is...but i don't think it God is what Christianity claims. God is a completely different subject than Jesus.
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You are more than welcome. I have been interested in this most of my life and have explored a lot. I don't claim to have all the answers (hell i don't even have a miniscule amount of answers) but I do like asking questions and see what really smart people have come up with in their research.

And at the end of the day, you can continue to believe in the literal interpretation by assuming any evidence that goes against what the bible says was simply planted by the devil. I am not being facetious as this is the most common response from biblical literalists.
 
boooky

boooky

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bobharvey said:
email i always enjoy reading your posts because you're clearly educated and i will look up those sources you gave me to continue on my journey. Everyone else that has given any helpful information I would like to thank you too. Those of you who are offended by the notion that Jesus didn't exist need to question why that offends you. I never once said that GOD didn't exist. Jesus Christ could be made up but it has nothing to do with God. Idk what God is...but i don't think it God is what Christianity claims. God is a completely different subject than Jesus.
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Nobody was offended by your thoughts on jesus.....They are yours.....But to answer your question to why I was pissed about it....Because you called me a moron and I dont care if your jesus you call me a moron for nothing then im bound to not like you....Me not liking you makes more sence then you not beleiving in jesus....
 
bobharvey

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When was the bible written? Back in a time where they didnt just right storys or fairytails because it would be considered wrong and the people that wrote it would be killed...

I love this, who told you that they didn't write fairtails back then lmao. When did they start writing fairtales? After Jesus was born? I guess all those myths I read in grade school, the ones written by the Greeks, were written after Jesus....you know when fairytales were legalized in the Great Fairytale Council of 150 AD.

Time back then was egypt(spelling sorry) running the world kinda like hitler...Its proven considering all the tombs. You know all the big triangle things in the desert the jews where used as slaves to make?

I don't even know what your point was right here. But this makes me :mrgreen:

Its not just the bible its history its self with some light here and some light there do you even pay attention when you type?
......But it really happend just like the holocost.....So in a sence I would suppose people 10,000 years from now will think the holocost was made up because of how we speack today will be so much different from then.....History is the facts go get a history book... Which History book do you reccomend that I pick up...???
 
email468

email468

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boooky said:
I just suck at explaining it......Doesnt make me a moron though or a mormon(BWAHHA) Saying its not true is selfish though...In many different ways for one "you" dont know and niether do the people you got "opinions" off of or the people I get my "opinions" from and beleive make sence..

Arguing over this still doesnt make the point no body will ever know what happend back then or if its true or not..simply because we where not there. I mean weather they are "facts" or not what makes your source better then my mind? Considering they are both just ideas but from different people.....Nobody will ever think alike..
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you are right boooky - i don't have all the answers and arguing about it seems to be getting us nowhere. The only thing I will say about evidence is there is more scientifically-sound evidence on my side of argument. But that does not mean that historians and/or archeologists couldn't find a ton of physical evidence proving Jesus existed and lived just like the bible says. It is just they haven't found it yet and not for lack of looking.

And after all, we should be looking for common ground rather than exasperate our differences :peace:

I would never call you (or anyone) a moron - or a mormon for that matter :mrgreen:
 
bobharvey

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Booky I don't care if you like me. This thread like everything else in the world has a point. The point is I asked for people to give me actual evidence Jesus existed outside of the Bible. No one has given me. Not you even in your attempts or anyone else. So don't get on here and tell me Jesus died for my sins cause the Bible said so. George was curious because Curious George said so... it works both ways. You just look like a moron when you don't answer my question then post nonsense. I'm sorry for calling you a moron that was probably cause i'm not a good Christian and wasn't raised to the standards you were.
 
boooky

boooky

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bobharvey said:
When was the bible written? Back in a time where they didnt just right storys or fairytails because it would be considered wrong and the people that wrote it would be killed...

I love this, who told you that they didn't write fairtails back then lmao. When did they start writing fairtales? After Jesus was born? I guess all those myths I read in grade school, the ones written by the Greeks, were written after Jesus....you know when fairytales were legalized in the Great Fairytale Council of 150 AD.

Time back then was egypt(spelling sorry) running the world kinda like hitler...Its proven considering all the tombs. You know all the big triangle things in the desert the jews where used as slaves to make?

I don't even know what your point was right here. But this makes me :mrgreen:

Its not just the bible its history its self with some light here and some light there do you even pay attention when you type?
......But it really happend just like the holocost.....So in a sence I would suppose people 10,000 years from now will think the holocost was made up because of how we speack today will be so much different from then.....History is the facts go get a history book... Which History book do you reccomend that I pick up...???
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You still trying to take piss out of a dry kidney?? You win dude......Hopfully your ego feels larger....I mean really....You win...I said it go find somone else to drain and degrade by making them look stupid to make you feel better in front of your crowd of jesus freaks.......

I mean whats your life story on how you became such an ass? Who brought you up to piss all over people? Dont blame jesus because you dont beleive in him...Im sure you got someone to blame....
 
boooky

boooky

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bobharvey said:
Booky I don't care if you like me. This thread like everything else in the world has a point. The point is I asked for people to give me actual evidence Jesus existed outside of the Bible. No one has given me. Not you even in your attempts or anyone else. So don't get on here and tell me Jesus died for my sins cause the Bible said so. George was curious because Curious George said so... it works both ways. You just look like a moron when you don't answer my question then post nonsense. I'm sorry for calling you a moron that was probably cause i'm not a good Christian and wasn't raised to the standards you were.
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So what you dont beleive in jesus that gives you the right to be a dick......Yeah dude you are completely fucked up in the head.... Just because your not a christian doesnt mean you can use that as an excuse for being a shitty human being....
 
email468

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The only posts that offended me (but not to the point of complaint) were the shit-face pictures. yuck.

and the only post i meant to be offensive was a response to one of the above.

so please accept my apologies for any offense I have given and as for me, I have taken none.
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We TaRdED

We TaRdED

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shnkrmn said:
How do you resolve the existence of a trinity (God, Son and Holy Spirit) in a monotheistic religion?
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whats the difference between the holy spirit and God anyways?

you hear alot about Jesus and God but not too much about the holy spirit. can anyone explain to me how these two are different.
 
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