BudmanTX
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it does...
War
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cannabineer
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the desperate are dangerous.
BudmanTX
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we shall see....
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Turkey's Erdogan: Russia's Putin willing to end war
As Ukraine reclaims more land, the Turkish leader says Russia aims to end the war as soon as possible.
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BudmanTX
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100% agree
DIY-HP-LED
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He has options, leave Ukraine to end the pain, but the damage will continue even if he does.
cannabineer
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I doubt he will accept restoring the Crimea to Ukraine.
DIY-HP-LED
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The idea is to not give him any choice.
DIY-HP-LED
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The idea of we invade places and then make them part of Russia and we will nuke you if you try to take them back won't fly any more. Ukraine has no choice but to call his bluff and even if he nuked them, I doubt it would change their mind, the allies would have to make them a real sweet deal to avoid them retaliating with dirty bombs on Russian cities, if their own were nuked. That's aside from what America, Europe and the UN will do to him, Turkey could have fall out too.
BudmanTX
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interesting....
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Russia’s pro-war activists sour on the conflict as Ukraine’s battlefield success breeds panic
The scale of the military and political setbacks has become too vast for even state media and pro-war activists to ignore, experts and insiders say.
cannabineer
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I concur. Nato may wish to stage air assets within a smart bomb’s throw. Ukraine is playing a brilliant black game of chess. If Russian leadership continues on this path of escalation, it might be time to replay the Desert Storm air war. If he reaches for the big red button, I am somewhat confident we will see some undisclosed weapon systems put into serious play.
DIY-HP-LED
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Wait another month or two if you wanna see Russian military disasters! The strategic situation for them is becoming dire in the south and in the east. It should make what happened around Kharkiv look like small scale stuff, the coming events could see 25 to 35 Russian BTGs removed from the equation. This could lead to a casscade failure on the part of the Russians, as morale collapses and the Ukrainians can concentrate large forces upon them. They are chopping them up into pieces, surrounding them in urban areas and cutting them off, going for their supply dumps and rail hubs after breaking through.interesting....
Russia’s pro-war activists sour on the conflict as Ukraine’s battlefield success breeds panic
The scale of the military and political setbacks has become too vast for even state media and pro-war activists to ignore, experts and insiders say.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
après moi, le déluge.
printer
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Just like Trump with the tax giveaway. "What do I care, I will not be in office then."
DIY-HP-LED
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Makes sense, EU membership means control of corruption, but many figure they can deal with Russia on their own, if given the means. They probably want the freedom of action and retribution against Russia that NATO membership would deny. Ukraine would probably do better in terms of military aid without NATO membership, others including Uncle Sam like their freedom to take action against Russia too and act as a hub for Vlad's many enemies and worried neighbors. Whenever ya want Russia to feel the pain, just give Ukraine a call, happy to oblige.
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Sherman: ‘Profound’ Support For Ukraine At UN General Assembly
6,236 views Sep 20, 2022 Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman tells Peter Alexander that ‘global support for Ukraine is profound.’ The war in Ukraine is about the UN Charter, said Sherman, ‘sovereignty, territorial integrity, the right of countries to make their own political choices.’ The Charter ensures the ongoing conflict in Ukraine will be a prominent topic at the UN General Assembly this week.
DIY-HP-LED
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An official declaration of war has international implications and big UN implications, and they are meeting tomorrow with Joe speaking.Russian Lawmakers Approve Long Jail Terms for Military Surrender, Refusal to Serve
Russian lawmakers passed sweeping legislation Tuesday introducing jail terms of up to 15 years for wartime acts, including surrendering, as the country’s forces face major battlefield setbacks nearly seven months after invading Ukraine.
Voluntary surrender and looting are punished by 10 and 15 years in prison, respectively, with “mobilization, martial law and wartime” listed as aggravating circumstances.
Desertion during mobilization or wartime will be punished by up to 10 years, according to the bill authored by members of all parties represented in parliament.
Conscientious objectors are punished by up to three years in prison during wartime.
The bill introduces the concepts of “mobilization, martial law and wartime” previously not mentioned in the Russian Criminal Code, according to human rights lawyer Pavel Chikov, who first reported on the draft Duma bill.
Observers speculate that its passage paves the way for general mobilization amid Russia’s struggles to replenish its depleting troops in Ukraine.
Soldiers who refuse service can be jailed even without martial law, military lawyer Maxim Grebenyuk told the independent news website Vyorstka, pointing to language in the legislation that punishes soldiers during an “armed conflict.”
The State Duma, Russia’s lower house of parliament, voted unanimously in favor of the bill, Chikov said.
Russia’s upper house of parliament, the Federation Council, is expected to pass the draft bill on Wednesday, according to state media.
The wartime jail terms will then come into force the day President Vladimir Putin signs the bill into law.
Russian Lawmakers Approve Long Jail Terms for Military Surrender, Refusal to Serve - The Moscow Times
Russian lawmakers passed sweeping legislation Tuesday introducing jail terms of up to 15 years for wartime acts, including surrendering, as the country’s forces face major battlefield setbacks nearly seven months after invading Ukraine.www.themoscowtimes.com
Pro-Moscow Officials in Occupied Ukraine to Hold Russia Annexation Votes
Authorities in separatist- and Russia-occupied regions of Ukraine on Tuesday said they will stage referendums on formally joining Russia in a matter of days.
The announcement comes as Moscow's forces face continued setbacks in their nearly seven-month war against Kyiv, leading to speculation that the Kremlin could announce a wider mobilization to shore up its military.
The Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) and the neighboring Luhansk People's Republic (LNR) will both hold their referendums on Sept. 23-27, officials there said.
DNR leader Denis Pushilin said that a vote on joining Russia was overdue.
"I think that people have long been waiting for a referendum here and it will probably be a political move that will help ensure the safety of civilians," Russian news agencies quoted him as telling state television.
Moscow-installed officials in the occupied Kherson region and partially occupied Zaporizhzhia region soon followed suit, announcing their own referendums to be held on the same dates as the DNR and LNR.
“We have set a course for reunification, a return to Russia. And we will not turn away from it,” Kherson's Moscow-appointed leader Vladimir Saldo said in a video message.
The Moscow stock exchange was down by more than 10% at one point following the announcements, the Kommersant business daily reported.
Earlier Tuesday, former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev called the possible referendums in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions “essential,” saying they would allow Moscow to utilize its full military capability in the region.
"Encroachment onto the territory of Russia is a crime which allows you to use all self-defense forces," Medvedev, who is now the deputy head of Russia's Security Council, said in a post on the Telegram messaging app.
Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov also backed the referendums.
“The current situation proves that they [people from the occupied regions] want to be masters of their own destiny,” Lavrov said.
Russian State Duma speaker Vyacheslav Volodin said Moscow would support the separatist republics if their residents voted in favor of joining Russia.
“Everything that is happening today (calls to hold referendums) is an absolutely unequivocal ultimatum from Russia to Ukraine and the West,” said Tatiana Stanovaya, a nonresident scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
“To guarantee 'victory,' Putin is ready to hold referendums immediately to get the right (as he thinks) to use nuclear weapons to defend Russian territory,” Stanovaya said in a Telegram post on Tuesday, adding that Putin could use the possible annexation “to threaten the use of nuclear weapons to defend Russian territory.”
Large parts of the industrial Donbas area have been controlled by Moscow-backed separatists since 2014, after nationwide demonstrations ousted Ukraine's Kremlin-friendly president.
Russia at the time annexed the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine with a vote that was criticized by Kyiv and the West, which imposed sanctions in response.
Both Kyiv and its allies in the West have likewise said they will not recognize the results of any new referendums in separatist- or Russia-controlled regions.
And Ukraine on Tuesday vowed to "eliminate" Russian threats against the war-torn country following the separatists' referenda announcements.
"Ukraine will solve the Russian issue. The threat can be eliminated only by force," said the Ukraine presidency's chief of staff, Andriy Yermak.
Pro-Moscow Officials in Occupied Ukraine to Hold Russia Annexation Votes - The Moscow Times
Authorities in separatist- and Russia-occupied regions of Ukraine on Tuesday said they will stage referendums on formally joining Russia in a matter of days.
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Update from Ukraine | After our wins Ruzzia may announce the Mobilization | It is the end for Putin
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