vertical growing

Finally put plants in a couple of days ago; made lotsa changes in the interim - will post some plant pics in a week or two.

Built out a 3" base so that the diameter is now 5' as opposed to 7'.

Also converted from an LP aero/NFT setup to a full on HP aero setup (100-125PSI) with a 4.4 gallon accumulator tank and 30 misters (two per column, might add one more to each column).

OK .... here is my next grow. It's a hexagon cage 6' diameter X 8' high.
Running a dual cool tube (2 x 1000 watts). Plants located outside the
cage in 5 gal BB w/ drip ring.

The cage is made up of 6 2' x 8' 1/4" thick metal grid panels. My last
scrog was under two (2) of these screens (4' x 8') and I hit .65 grams
a watt in a limited 6000 lumen PSF grow off. So in a smaller footprint
and nearly the same lighting I'll triple the grow surface and hopefully
the total harvest.

You can see the design and the mock up below. I painted it white and
ordered the dual cool tube and the clones are a week away. I have a
few strains to choose from so but haven't decided yet.

Another decision I'm still considering is the res system. Water farm type
gravity feed or Ebb N Grow. Currently in solo BBs.

Your input is welcome .....

iCLONE

Lol, that's one of my final two options for my next setup to get my plant numbers down..........someone at IC did that really well (VSCROG around vertical bulbs from floor to ceiling) but I can't find the thread when I want to.

Bob Smith said:

Lol, that's one of my final two options for my next setup to get my plant numbers down..........someone at IC did that really well (VSCROG around vertical bulbs from floor to ceiling) but I can't find the thread when I want to.

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I can't find anything similar. Someone told me that cervantes did a good vert vid but I've watched tons
and can't find it. I've done this on a smaller scale and it works well. Ths is that next natural step....

i420 said:

I can't find anything similar. Someone told me that cervantes did a good vert vid but I've watched tons
and can't find it. I've done this on a smaller scale and it works well. Ths is that next natural step....

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I was looking for it last night, actually, and still couldn't find it...........he had four plants scrogged around (I think) two 1Ks reaching from the floor to the ceiling.

So I'm either gonna do four plants and SCROG around my vertical cooltube or do four plants on turntables rotating on their own respective axis, still using the vertical cooltube as the only source of light.

Need to do some research.

My first vertical:


One of the nice things about vertical growing is the head space. I do not miss having to duck or get nicked by a reflector.

Inspiring thread. I'm planning a 4x4 tent with 2x600 watt HPS hung vertical (series) in a 6" cooltube.

A few of the posts on here helped me along.

me and rosecitypapa rockin damn near the same setup:

[youtube]uwJWt10SvYg[/youtube]

jigfresh said:

me and rosecitypapa rockin damn near the same setup:

[youtube]uwJWt10SvYg[/youtube]

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Can you see me shaking my head? Sick Bro ...... simple FN sickness. You ROCK !

Jigfresh! Yes, I remember seeing your journal a while back, you had to improvise with extension cups in your holes right? I like your setup, I'm thinking of going another level when I get another patient to grow for. Although my main pump and jets provide good recirculation, I'll be adding airstones within each plant site. What have your roots been looking like at harvest?

rosecitypapa said:

Jigfresh! Yes, I remember seeing your journal a while back, you had to improvise with extension cups in your holes right? I like your setup, I'm thinking of going another level when I get another patient to grow for. Although my main pump and jets provide good recirculation, I'll be adding airstones within each plant site. What have your roots been looking like at harvest?

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I've only ran it one time before this. You are correct I needed the extension dixie cup action. I had airstones at each plant last time and the roots were insane. They were plugging the 4" tubes. Basically cram packed the whole thing and they were like 18-20" long. I did veg a long time however. I think it was near 8 weeks.

This round I veged for 3-4 not sure... and I don't have any airstones to each one... just a 400g/h water pump. It seems to keep things nice and oxygenated upon splashdown. I also have the little airpump in the rez with one 1" airstone, just to make sure. Here's a shot of my roots as of 5 days ago, I put them into 12/12 today.

Woot! Those are some pretty white roots! Are you taking the sterile rez or bennie rez route?

No bennies for me. I just use Dutch Master - Zone. Seems to keep things nice... always the roots are white in all my grows. Nice and healthy.

Had some issues and kinks to work out with the system at first - really, really would've been totally avoided if I would've used aero clones (roots reach into the column) and not clones rooted in pucks - fucking EZ Clone - had a few dry out and die on me (have been replaced), but it also means that the plants in the 4" wyes (closest to the misters) are much larger than the others because they've been growing since day 1, as opposed to some which just started growing a few days ago.

Current misting times are ~6 seconds every 75 seconds to make sure that all plants are getting sufficient moisture, and that means that the larger plants are getting overwatered (in HP terms) and their roots look more like LP aero roots - as soon as all plants have a sufficient root system, gonna cut that back to 2 or 3 seconds every 2 or 3 minutes.

Um, that's about all that comes to mind - looking at the pics, all the new growth is healthy, so any brown leaves are from their "clone" days before they started rooting in the system.

All in all not too displeased - obviously there are gonna be issues when trying something like this, but I feel like I've got everything under control (for the most part).

Gonna top the largest plants in a couple of days and then put up a screen and start training them all through it; shooting to flip the switch in two weeks.

Bob Smith said:

I was looking for it last night, actually, and still couldn't find it...........he had four plants scrogged around (I think) two 1Ks reaching from the floor to the ceiling.

So I'm either gonna do four plants and SCROG around my vertical cooltube or do four plants on turntables rotating on their own respective axis, still using the vertical cooltube as the only source of light.

Need to do some research.

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My most successful grows ever were done like this with a vertical scrog cylinder shape with plants taller than my room. A couple over 8' if stretched back to straight.
2kw stacked worked the best, with the scrog limited to around 6' tall to allow airflow, base of the top bulb at the top plant height, second bulb mid scrog fan on the floor pointing up and that's all. Pulled over 6lbs dry off the last 5 plant scrog, that's just with large 20 gallon+ soil bins of FFOF for ea plant, no co2 or climate control or reflective walls or anything. The large root mass was absolutely key to reaching that poundage, previously tried the same thing but with smaller 6 gallon containers and didn't get near the same result.

That was with critical mass genetics btw, which is not a low yielding plant anyway. I didn't take pics of it, or post it, poundage was too scary to show since it was way out of line with my legal medical limits. Breaking 3lbs per 1kw is sure nice but you need a long veg time, however I found that veg time can be mostly under a single smaller light with just a few weeks veg in the 2kw stack.

5 plants worked best. 4 would have to veg longer to fill it up and 6 wouldn't fit.

i420 said:

I can't find anything similar. Someone told me that cervantes did a good vert vid but I've watched tons
and can't find it. I've done this on a smaller scale and it works well. Ths is that next natural step....

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Check out this dude's threads/setup on UK420 - he just pulled 1.4g/w off of a 400 using a VSCROG.

Bob Smith said:

Check out this dude's threads/setup on UK420 - he just pulled 1.4g/w off of a 400 using a VSCROG.

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Where's the link bro?

jigfresh said:

Where's the link bro?

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Lol.......my bads, here ya go:

http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=257002&pid=2617194&st=0&#entry2617194