st0wandgrow
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I'm trying to be (can't give up the damn cheese)!
My last couple batches of soil are completely vegan ... if you don't consider worm poop an animal source. The plants seem to be loving the vegan lifestyle!
Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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My last couple batches of soil are completely vegan ... if you don't consider worm poop an animal source. The plants seem to be loving the vegan lifestyle!
They say cheese is the,hardest try daiya shredsI'm trying to be (can't give up the damn cheese)!
My last couple batches of soil are completely vegan ... if you don't consider worm poop an animal source. The plants seem to be loving the vegan lifestyle!
GreenSanta
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read china study if you havent read it. I do eat cheese but not on a daily basis ! But when you read this book it makes it easy to go without it for at least a month!! until you forget lolI'm trying to be (can't give up the damn cheese)!
My last couple batches of soil are completely vegan ... if you don't consider worm poop an animal source. The plants seem to be loving the vegan lifestyle!
st0wandgrow
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I did read that! I'm banking on being one of the rats that only gets 5% of my diet from animal based protein .... if memory serves me correct I think those rats avoided the cancerous tumors.
hyroot
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Im half way there. I stopped eating red meat about 15 years ago. Stopped eating processed food about 4 years ago. I still eat birds and fish though. Everything is cooked fresh. I grow all my own fruits and veggies. Except watermelon and bananas and corn. I get those from the farmers market.
GreenDyl
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Hey Matt, haven't tried veganics and I actually don't even smoke but mainly just grow hydro with heavy 16 looking to try going veganic on a small scale for new patients with compromised immune systems. Definitely goi g to read through this entire thread before going out and buying anything and I'm only on page 11.
One thing I did want to offer another theory or perspective on is your issue with perlite and how you say it's dead space for microbial life. While this might be true, is the majority of the microbial life that is helping your plant with nute uptake, defense from pathogens, and increased resistance to toxicity is actually taking place directly on the roots? And we know roots thrive in spaces where there is more oxygen. So therefore more perlite=more oxygen=more roots=more space for mycos to attach.
Again before anyone starts to hate, this is just an idea of mine not backed up by any scientific finding. The one thing I can say to back this up is that these bacteria and fungi found on the roots of our plants have a mutualistic relationship meaning one will not do as well without both of them being there. So if you just have mycos off in a chunk of soil with no roots in it what good is it doing anyway?
just wondering what you and everyone thinks of this idea.
One thing I did want to offer another theory or perspective on is your issue with perlite and how you say it's dead space for microbial life. While this might be true, is the majority of the microbial life that is helping your plant with nute uptake, defense from pathogens, and increased resistance to toxicity is actually taking place directly on the roots? And we know roots thrive in spaces where there is more oxygen. So therefore more perlite=more oxygen=more roots=more space for mycos to attach.
Again before anyone starts to hate, this is just an idea of mine not backed up by any scientific finding. The one thing I can say to back this up is that these bacteria and fungi found on the roots of our plants have a mutualistic relationship meaning one will not do as well without both of them being there. So if you just have mycos off in a chunk of soil with no roots in it what good is it doing anyway?
just wondering what you and everyone thinks of this idea.
GreenDyl
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I know there are a lot of other bacteria and fungi that break down the soil aka why we let our soil cook, but if your adding water soluble nutrients you aren't really relying on those bacteria that break down the soil without the roots being there. Seems like you would have more to benefit from the bacteria and fungi that were directly on the roots.
BayBudsTheFinest
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Where should a noob start? Help me out please!
SeniorFrostyKush
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start with a peat based medium. go get either Bio Canna, or General Organics veganic nutrients. Bio Canna is better by far. get some all vegan compost and earthworm castings. just make sure the worms weren't fed any animal products. theres a brand called Natures Solution that makes some awesome vegan earth worm castings. start making compost teas and feed your plants with them at least once a week instead of nutes. and most importantly.... read the thread. you'll learn everything you could ever want to know about veganics by reading through to the end.
SeniorFrostyKush
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you could also go the ROLS No Till route if your not into bottled nutes. it does however require some experience and agricultural know-how.
'ome Grown
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I'm a veganic grower (my whole garden is veganic - fruit trees, veggies and flowers) BECAUSE I am vegan...
Cheese wasn't that hard for me to give up, but apparently it is quite common for people to find it hard to give up.
Cheese wasn't that hard for me to give up, but apparently it is quite common for people to find it hard to give up.
Rrog
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What troubles me about the China Study is how does one get along without much protein? My sister is a Registered Dietician and I'm a Bio / Chem major and I don't get it.
I eat a higher protein diet primarily of raw egg whites and milk. I've lost a lot of weight while maintaining muscle mass. In a Kefir shake that I make daily.
I eat a higher protein diet primarily of raw egg whites and milk. I've lost a lot of weight while maintaining muscle mass. In a Kefir shake that I make daily.
the trouble is people over eat protein, so if youre just a regular guy/gal not doing an extensive work out routine , you only need 56-70 grams of protein per day.
We have been told over the years we need protein, protein, protein, to eat more meat cause thats the ONLY place you get protein from
when in reality its not true, excessive amounts of protein like anything else is bad for you, and you can get MORE protein less calories,fat,saturated fat, more vitamins from beans, & legumes than you can from a steak which has MORE calories,fat,sat fat,chlorestorel , and less vitamins
People are disgustingly obsessed with protein for some reason
Rrog
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That's more protein than one might think. 20 egg whites, for example. I would agree that meat is not all it's cracked up to be, being feeling creatures as well as pumped with man-made problems, stress, etc. Really not cool. Contrarily, veggies rock. I'm just not seeing a problem with responsibly cared for chickens or pork or even beef on occasion.
I tend to take a moderate approach. Some balance and variety.
I tend to take a moderate approach. Some balance and variety.
no i dont see a problem with hunting and eating personally its better for the human and the whole animal is put to use , the animal also lived a wonderful healthy life
personally i choose not to eat animals because now in this time and day of life and civilization i am not starving i have a brain and i dont wear a loincloth and carve out arrowheads, lol i have a choice i choose not too
but the factory farming needs to go
Rrog
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I think there could be a real problem eating stressed animals. Cortisol. Pigs are fed anxiety-inducing hormones so they stay in their pens and vibrate fat off. You support that when you eat a chop, and you may well eat hormones as well.
As you said, not as much the animal as the humans that raise them
As you said, not as much the animal as the humans that raise them
st0wandgrow
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As with most things moderation is key. I take the same approach to soy-based products. It's one of the worst GMO offenders, so I really try to limit it in my diet. There is a ton of protein in nuts, beans, legumes, eggs, yogurt, etc so I have peace of mind in not eating meat, and really not eating much soy either.
snowboarder396
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I'll agree that factory farmed and caged animals are not good to eat. I know protein can be found high in beans and legumes, however I buy all ny chicken at the farmers market where the vendor I buy from has free range chickens, no antibiotics or any other injections of any kind. I also hunt and fish, grow what I can of my own food. However I will never ever give up meat! Not because I possibly couldn't but because I won't... I love meat to much and it is tasty. Doesn't mean I'm out shape either I stay away from fast food as much possible and as I said I choose my sources of all things ingested and when I do buy I tend by from farmers and ranchers of what I don't grow myself.