Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

Fyndhorn · Jul 10, 2010

been reading post for 2 days got tired of same ?all the time jumped to end Great post +rep learned lots old smoker from when homegrower was shit weed

GoldenGanja13 · Jul 10, 2010

Learned from them all. Below is Rock Lock SLH and the church

buraka415 said:
we all make mistakes

Uncle Ben · Jul 10, 2010

Those are some very healthy plants!

bagseedmonster · Jul 10, 2010

does the four main cola method work all the time

DaveCoulier · Jul 10, 2010

bagseedmonster said:
does the four main cola method work all the time

No, not always, but you're almost always guaranteed two dominant colas. Sometimes you'll get 3, other times 4. A bit of lst'ing after topping can help you reach the 4 cola goal though.

GoldenGanja13 · Jul 10, 2010

TY UB. I have tried your method many times , finally getting it to work for me. QUOTE=Uncle Ben;4379427]Those are some very healthy plants![/QUOTE]

Stay@homeGROWER · Jul 11, 2010

buraka415 said:
@Stay@HomeG

aw sweet. I am running Blue Dream right now. looks like you are in flowering? or no? What's your experience with BD so far? used that strain previously? its a fairly decent yielder ive been told. WOopWoop

I've got a few than've been vegging since May and is the size of I am, so f'n trees man. But this is my first and last flower, I've got some Lambsbread and AK-47 thats going to take over

Osiris8605 · Jul 12, 2010

Can the top you took off be used just as a clone clipping would be?

DaveCoulier · Jul 12, 2010

Osiris8605 said:
Can the top you took off be used just as a clone clipping would be?

Yes it can.

Osiris8605 · Jul 12, 2010

Awesome thanks

GoldenGanja13 · Jul 12, 2010

If you can get it to root it sure can. The higher up the plant you take your cutting from, the harder it is for them to root. I take my cuts for cloning from the bottom after they the plant matures and before 12/12. I have a 99% survival rate.

Osiris8605 said:
Can the top you took off be used just as a clone clipping would be?

boy · Jul 12, 2010

can anyone fill me in on molasses? I bought some to try it........how much should i use and what does it do???

DaveCoulier · Jul 12, 2010

GoldenGanja13 said:
If you can get it to root it sure can. The higher up the plant you take your cutting from, the harder it is for them to root. I take my cuts for cloning from the bottom after they the plant matures and before 12/12. I have a 99% survival rate.

Golden, Ive read it both ways. Some way take it from the bottom, some say take it from the top. The argument against the top is that there may be too much auxin that could inhibit rooting, but Ill have to say its bunk in my experience. I removed the main colas from 3 male plants and 12 days later had great rootage. Much more so than clones Ive taken from the bottom of plants.

Below are some pics of the clones.

This pic is from a Satori clone taken from the bottom of the plant.

sixstring2112 · Jul 13, 2010

I take em from the top because that is where i seem to do all my pruning. i have not lost a clone in months.I will be taking some purple wreck from the bottom soon and see if they do any better than 10 days. Very nice roots dave

GoldenGanja13 · Jul 13, 2010

Say Dave that is some dam good rooting you have there. I can see taking the top and cloneing it, never thought about the hormones running straight up in there. Side branches however I prefer to take from bottom. More hormones and that is where I clean up my plants before going 12/12. I took 4 cuts from The church, 4 cuts from Rock Lock and 12 cuts from SLH, all from the bottom, one week before going 12/12, all are doing well. I believe alot of my success is because I wait until plant matures before taking cuts. :joint:

this is 7 days.

DaveCoulier said:
Golden, Ive read it both ways. Some way take it from the bottom, some say take it from the top. The argument against the top is that there may be too much auxin that could inhibit rooting, but Ill have to say its bunk in my experience. I removed the main colas from 3 male plants and 12 days later had great rootage. Much more so than clones Ive taken from the bottom of plants.

Below are some pics of the clones.

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This pic is from a Satori clone taken from the bottom of the plant.

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DaveCoulier · Jul 13, 2010

Golden, you should give the top a try. I was shocked when I pulled those clones as I had been taking clone from the bottom of the plants, and wasn't getting roots nearly that good.

I may be wrong and dont take offense, but it seems you may not know which way auxins go. When you say 'hormones running straight up in there', are you meaning auxins travels upwards in the plant? Maybe I am confused on what you mean..

GoldenGanja13 · Jul 13, 2010

I do a 4 top method, and have 2 OG#18 seedlings so I will try it. Auxins flow straight up (mainly) that is why you get such a large cola when untouched. The excess goes into the side branching. I am too believe that bottom side branches will have more auxins then top side branches. How do you see it? Puff Puff pass.

DaveCoulier said:
Golden, you should give the top a try. I was shocked when I pulled those clones as I had been taking clone from the bottom of the plants, and wasn't getting roots nearly that good.

I may be wrong and dont take offense, but it seems you may not know which way auxins go. When you say 'hormones running straight up in there', are you meaning auxins travels upwards in the plant? Maybe I am confused on what you mean..

DaveCoulier · Jul 13, 2010

GoldenGanja13 said:
I do a 4 top method, and have 2 OG#18 seedlings so I will try it. Auxins flow straight up (mainly) that is why you get such a large cola when untouched. The excess goes into the side branching. I am too believe that bottom side branches will have more auxins then top side branches. How do you see it? Puff Puff pass.

Auxins are created in the apical meristem, and move downwards towards the roots. As they move downwards the suppressing effects disipate and allow lower branches to grow, while those closest to the apical meristem are suppressed the most.

During flowering it changes though, as auxin stops being produced in the apical meristem and this allows lower buds to begin to bloom as auxin levels deplete, and this continues in a downward process. Ill throw in a great link to learn more about auxins and how they affect flowering.

The link below is just a hypothesis, but it seems pretty logical.

http://algorithmicbotany.org/FSPM07/Individual/10.pdf

GoldenGanja13 · Jul 13, 2010

Thank you Dave. I will get back to you, but first I must read about this.

DaveCoulier said:
Auxins are created in the apical meristem, and move downwards towards the roots. As they move downwards the suppressing effects disipate and allow lower branches to grow, while those closest to the apical meristem are suppressed the most.

During flowering it changes though, as auxin stops being produced in the apical meristem and this allows lower buds to begin to bloom as auxin levels deplete, and this continues in a downward process. Ill throw in a great link to learn more about auxins and how they affect flowering.

The link below is just a hypothesis, but it seems pretty logical.

http://algorithmicbotany.org/FSPM07/Individual/10.pdf

GoldenGanja13 · Jul 13, 2010

Kudoos Dave, I have a better overstanding of Auxins now. I now get why the plants shoot for the light, and why a main cola is "main". +reps Dave.

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