U.S. Constitution

chuckbane

New Member
south park pointed out pretty early on gw is a mental midget
Yes, and he claims to like family Guy as well. And from what I have seen (good show) it often mocks the republican party. I wonder if Zen knows this? Maybe he does not recognize the subtle jabs.
With the way he talks you would think he would hate these shows.

Maybe his head is too far up his ass because of how patriotism has been shoved down the kids throats.

Its okay to say that your government is fucking up, its not treason.

Here, I love this.

"I am a Canadian,
a free Canadian,
free to speak without fear,
free to worship God in my own way,
free to stand for what I think right,
free to oppose what I believe wrong,
free to choose those who shall govern my country.
This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold
for myself and for all mankind."

From the Canadian Bill of Rights,
July 1, 1960.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Yes, and he claims to like family Guy as well. And from what I have seen (good show) it often mocks the republican party. I wonder if Zen knows this? Maybe he does not recognize the subtle jabs.
With the way he talks you would think he would hate these shows.

Maybe his head is too far up his ass because of how patriotism has been shoved down the kids throats.

Its okay to say that your government is fucking up, its not treason.

Here, I love this.

"I am a Canadian,
a free Canadian,
free to speak without fear,
free to worship God in my own way,
free to stand for what I think right,
free to oppose what I believe wrong,
free to choose those who shall govern my country.
This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold
for myself and for all mankind."

From the Canadian Bill of Rights,
July 1, 1960.
Well, if that's truly in there, then there are a lot of delusional Canadians who need to learn what the definition of freedom is.
 

chuckbane

New Member
Well, if that's truly in there, then there are a lot of delusional Canadians who need to learn what the definition of freedom is.
I think you are just jealous :lol:

I know it hurts to find out America is not the greatest. But you know what they say!
The truth hurts, especially the brutal truth.:lol:

p.s. about your sig. Its okay to be opinionated, but its not okay to be a jackass. If everyone finds you to be a jackass then maybe its because you are trying to force your opinion unwillingly on people. Either that or everyone thinks your opinion is shit, which could possibly be true. Or a combination of the two.
 

VTXDave

Well-Known Member
If everyone finds you to be a jackass then maybe its because you are trying to force your opinion unwillingly on people. Either that or everyone thinks your opinion is shit, which could possibly be true. Or a combination of the two.
I don't find him a jackass. You on the other hand....:lol:
 

joepro

Well-Known Member
I think you are just jealous :lol:

I know it hurts to find out America is not the greatest. But you know what they say!
The truth hurts, especially the brutal truth.:lol:
Next to america, you candhams are nothing more then a shit stain on the panties of life. :finger:
..and your welcome for not speaking fluent russian. ;-)
Canadian Bill of Rights :sleep:
copy cats :lol:
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
I think you are just jealous :lol:

I know it hurts to find out America is not the greatest. But you know what they say!
The truth hurts, especially the brutal truth.:lol:

p.s. about your sig. Its okay to be opinionated, but its not okay to be a jackass. If everyone finds you to be a jackass then maybe its because you are trying to force your opinion unwillingly on people. Either that or everyone thinks your opinion is shit, which could possibly be true. Or a combination of the two.
No, not at all, unlike your piece of paper, ours actually states specifically what rights the government can not infringe, and there's a list of them. I'm not jealous at all.

No, America is still the greatest, as the rest of the world is finding out right now. All those socialist-apes in Europe are learning that with out the United States they are not so much as a shit stain on the sidewalk.

I personally think it's just fine to be an opinionated jack ass. Unlike some people I'm not afraid to be called mean, or an asshole, or whatever. Why should I be, words are just words, (unless they are written by the government, in which case they become law).

As far as forcing my opinion on other people, I can state that I'm innocent of that. I haven't taken a weapon or made any threats against any one to force them to accept my opinion. Nor have I attempted to use the education system to brainwash them into believing what I believe.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
That, and the Canadian Bill of Rights didn't work...

Wikipedia:Canadian Bill of Rights
The Canadian Bill of Rights is a federal statute and bill of rights enacted by Prime Minister John Diefenbaker's government on August 10, 1960. It provides Canadians with certain quasi-constitutional[1] rights in relation to other federal statutes. It was the earliest expression of human rights law at the federal level in Canada, though an Implied Bill of Rights had already been recognized.[1] The Canadian Bill of Rights remains in effect, but its widely acknowledged ineffectiveness was the main reason that the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms was adopted in 1982.
not to mention the fact that you're just paraphrasing the Canadian Bill of Rights.

Canadian Bill of Rights
1960, c. 44
C-12.3
[Assented to August 10th, 1960]
An Act for the Recognition and Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms
Preamble The Parliament of Canada, affirming that the Canadian Nation is founded upon principles that acknowledge the supremacy of God, the dignity and worth of the human person and the position of the family in a society of free men and free institutions;
Affirming also that men and institutions remain free only when freedom is founded upon respect for moral and spiritual values and the rule of law;
And being desirous of enshrining these principles and the human rights and fundamental freedoms derived from them, in a Bill of Rights which shall reflect the respect of Parliament for its constitutional authority and which shall ensure the protection of these rights and freedoms in Canada:


Therefore Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows:
PART I

BILL OF RIGHTS

Recognition and declaration of rights and freedoms
1. It is hereby recognized and declared that in Canada there have existed and shall continue to exist without discrimination by reason of race, national origin, colour, religion or sex, the following human rights and fundamental freedoms, namely,
(a) the right of the individual to life, liberty, security of the person and enjoyment of property, and the right not to be deprived thereof except by due process of law;
(b) the right of the individual to equality before the law and the protection of the law;
(c) freedom of religion;
(d) freedom of speech;
(e) freedom of assembly and association; and
(f) freedom of the press.
Construction of law
2. Every law of Canada shall, unless it is expressly declared by an Act of the Parliament of Canada that it shall operate notwithstanding the Canadian Bill of Rights, be so construed and applied as not to abrogate, abridge or infringe or to authorize the abrogation, abridgment or infringement of any of the rights or freedoms herein recognized and declared, and in particular, no law of Canada shall be construed or applied so as to
(a) authorize or effect the arbitrary detention, imprisonment or exile of any person;
(b) impose or authorize the imposition of cruel and unusual treatment or punishment;
(c) deprive a person who has been arrested or detained
(i) of the right to be informed promptly of the reason for his arrest or detention,
(ii) of the right to retain and instruct counsel without delay, or
(iii) of the remedy by way of habeas corpus for the determination of the validity of his detention and for his release if the detention is not lawful;
(d) authorize a court, tribunal, commission, board or other authority to compel a person to give evidence if he is denied counsel, protection against self crimination or other constitutional safeguards;
(e) deprive a person of the right to a fair hearing in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice for the determination of his rights and obligations;
(f) deprive a person charged with a criminal offence of the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, or of the right to reasonable bail without just cause; or
(g) deprive a person of the right to the assistance of an interpreter in any proceedings in which he is involved or in which he is a party or a witness, before a court, commission, board or other tribunal, if he does not understand or speak the language in which such proceedings are conducted.
Duties of Minister of Justice
3. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the Minister of Justice shall, in accordance with such regulations as may be prescribed by the Governor in Council, examine every regulation transmitted to the Clerk of the Privy Council for registration pursuant to the Statutory Instruments Act and every Bill introduced in or presented to the House of Commons by a Minister of the Crown, in order to ascertain whether any of the provisions thereof are inconsistent with the purposes and provisions of this Part and he shall report any such inconsistency to the House of Commons at the first convenient opportunity.
Exception
(2) A regulation need not be examined in accordance with subsection (1) if prior to being made it was examined as a proposed regulation in accordance with section 3 of the Statutory Instruments Act to ensure that it was not inconsistent with the purposes and provisions of this Part. 1960, c. 44, s. 3; 1970-71-72, c. 38, s. 29; 1985, c. 26, s. 105; 1992, c. 1, s. 144(F).
Short title
4. The provisions of this Part shall be known as the Canadian Bill of Rights.
PART II

Savings
5. (1) Nothing in Part I shall be construed to abrogate or abridge any human right or fundamental freedom not enumerated therein that may have existed in Canada at the commencement of this Act.
"Law of Canada" defined
(2) The expression "law of Canada" in Part I means an Act of the Parliament of Canada enacted before or after the coming into force of this Act, any order, rule or regulation thereunder, and any law in force in Canada or in any part of Canada at the commencement of this Act that is subject to be repealed, abolished or altered by the Parliament of Canada. Jurisdiction of Parliament
(3) The provisions of Part I shall be construed as extending only to matters coming within the legislative authority of the Parliament of Canada.


I can paraphrase the US Bill of Rights, too.
Being a Citizen of the United States, and by virtue of being Human
I am granted Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom of Expression, and Freedom of Religion.

With that citizenship comes the Right to Bear Arms as a private citizen.

I do not have to quarter soldiers in my house.

Nor do I have to allow police or other officials to enter my house with out a warrant. I do not have to worry about the government searching my paperwork with out a warrant to determine if I have committed a crime.

I can not be forced to incriminate myself, or be subject to the same charges twice. I have a right to a speedy trial, and to subpoena witnesses in my defense, and the right to legal counsel.

I have a right to a trial by jury, in most court cases.

While these rights are enumerated, I have yet more which are not, and which are guaranteed me by the Bill of Rights, and the federal government is limited to the powers extended to it by the Constitution.
unfortunately it doesn't really mean jack shit, because the government is always seeking to undermine the Constitution and expand its power. Just like Canada's government.




 

chuckbane

New Member
That, and the Canadian Bill of Rights didn't work...

Wikipedia:Canadian Bill of Rights
not to mention the fact that you're just paraphrasing the Canadian Bill of Rights.



I can paraphrase the US Bill of Rights, too.


unfortunately it doesn't really mean jack shit, because the government is always seeking to undermine the Constitution and expand its power. Just like Canada's government.




Wikipedia eh?

and you wonder why I laugh at you
:lol::lol::dunce::dunce:


Meow

hahaha

Your avvy is a perfect analogy. or metaphor.

"What matters most is how you see yourself"

America "sees" itself as the greatest but the rest of the world sees them as a different part of the third world
 

chuckbane

New Member
No they don't. That is patently false. Please provide irrefutable links to support your claim.
beep boop beep boop

you sound like a fucking computer.
you know, big and/or complex words do not make you look wise. Anybody can use a thesaurus.

And links for what?

I know the world hates the U.S. because the high majority of the people here are super pissed at the U.S. gov. and I have seen countless foreign news casts that blatantly have "anti-u.s." coverage.
Its happening all over the world but you dont see it because you are too busy "washing" your brain watching fox news.

VTX & TBT , yous a piece of shit[lol]. Fortunately not all Americans are like you though. A lot of them are really great people including myself. I even have my fair share of hardcore right wingers in my family still living in the states, but they are okay because they keep their hate to themselves.

You can pop your pimply face around here anytime it gets quiet to be the big man, but you are just going to end up in the same place you always do, the poor, pathetic sore-loser.



Dont make me walk on you again cowboy. I dont need the internet to give me facts. I know what I know from the life I have lived. from everything that I have seen go on around me. ANYONE can make a site claiming the biggest bullshit. Fools like you will believe anything you read as long as it fits in with your "lifestyle". Pathetic.

Wikipedia

hahahaha


p.s.

actually.... wikipedia has fewer errors than britannica ...
I'm not talking about Britannica. No one is. Thanks for the input though.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
beep boop beep boop

you sound like a fucking computer.
you know, big and/or complex words do not make you look wise. Anybody can use a thesaurus.

And links for what?

I know the world hates the U.S. because the high majority of the people here are super pissed at the U.S. gov. and I have seen countless foreign news casts that blatantly have "anti-u.s." coverage.
Its happening all over the world but you dont see it because you are too busy "washing" your brain watching fox news.

VTX & TBT , yous a piece of shit[lol]. Fortunately not all Americans are like you though. A lot of them are really great people including myself. I even have my fair share of hardcore right wingers in my family still living in the states, but they are okay because they keep their hate to themselves.

You can pop your pimply face around here anytime it gets quiet to be the big man, but you are just going to end up in the same place you always do, the poor, pathetic sore-loser.



Dont make me walk on you again cowboy. I dont need the internet to give me facts. I know what I know from the life I have lived. from everything that I have seen go on around me. ANYONE can make a site claiming the biggest bullshit. Fools like you will believe anything you read as long as it fits in with your "lifestyle". Pathetic.

Wikipedia

hahahaha


p.s.



I'm not talking about Britannica. No one is. Thanks for the input though.
Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows the fool?

And, whereas you claim that you learned from experience, I can only laugh, because I don't just learn from my experience, but the experiences of others.

Why should I go about making stupid mistakes when there are others who made those stupid mistakes before me, and thus have shown that the ideology or thoughts that they preached were faulty, stupid or just plain self-contradictory?

But, I'm done, no need to respond, I'm leaving your thread, before I sink to the level you seem to desire this debate to sink to, and engage in personal attacks.
 

VTXDave

Well-Known Member
beep boop beep boop

you sound like a fucking computer.
you know, big and/or complex words do not make you look wise. Anybody can use a thesaurus.
Quite right. And then are those of us who don't require one.

And links for what?
Links backing up your claim that the rest of the world sees the US as a 3rd world nation.

I know the world hates the U.S. because the high majority of the people here are super pissed at the U.S. gov. and I have seen countless foreign news casts that blatantly have "anti-u.s." coverage.
Of course they do. The Executive and Legislative branches of our government have seen to that. The world may see the US as an aggressor (and rightfully so), but certainly not a 3rd world nation. Whether you or I like it or not, the US is still the world's greatest superpower.

Its happening all over the world but you dont see it
That is an assumption on your part. Clearly you've not read my posts regarding my opinion of "American Empire" and my belief that the US should withdraw our troops from around the world. I believe it is YOU who only sees what you want to see.

because you are too busy "washing" your brain watching fox news.
I don't watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC. I watch History, Discovery, Science, NatGeo...That's pretty much it.

VTX & TBT , yous a piece of shit[lol].
In true fashion, that certainly didn't take long. You're consistent, I'll give you that much. :lol:

Dont make me walk on you again cowboy.
Oh, please do. In fact, I insist. ;) :lol:

I dont need the internet to give me facts.
This isn't another one of your "I don't need to prove anything" ploys, is it?

Fools like you will believe anything you read as long as it fits in with your "lifestyle". Pathetic.
Quite the contrary. I tend to scrutinize what I read quite often. I will obtain information from multiple sources and play the statements/evidence against each other in order to arrive at a reasonable conclusion...Unlike those that will believe anything Obama, or McCain for that matter, says and accept it as "gospel".
 

chuckbane

New Member
Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows the fool?
Impressive. I think.:blsmoke:

And, whereas you claim that you learned from experience, I can only laugh, because I don't just learn from my experience, but the experiences of others.
You have lived other peoples lives? wow, are you a Buddhist or something?
Experience can only be acquired through... well... experience. You have a lot to learn young grasshopper.

Why should I go about making stupid mistakes when there are others who made those stupid mistakes before me, and thus have shown that the ideology or thoughts that they preached were faulty, stupid or just plain self-contradictory?
Ummm. Who is asking you to "[make] stupid mistakes when there are others who made those stupid mistakes before me"???

Im not following your ramblings anymore TBT, I can't wait until you give up.

But, I'm done, no need to respond, I'm leaving your thread, before I sink to the level you seem to desire this debate to sink to, and engage in personal attacks.
SWEET :peace::blsmoke::mrgreen::Dbongsmilie:eyesmoke:
 

LeFayUpHigh

Active Member
It is definitly time for a great political change, hopefully enough people get up the balls to say something. Until more people step up, the small majority that presently do will just keep getting pushed down by Big Brother.

I personally am planning on just leaving the country or going to California. At least freedom over there is closer to being a reality.

-LeFay
 

ViRedd

New Member
It is definitly time for a great political change, hopefully enough people get up the balls to say something. Until more people step up, the small majority that presently do will just keep getting pushed down by Big Brother.

I personally am planning on just leaving the country or going to California. At least freedom over there is closer to being a reality.

-LeFay
You haven't visited California in awhile, right LeFay? Yes, we have liberal pot laws, but that's about it. There are cameras on most main intersections and a Radar Nazi right down the street. The State is so stressed economically that government is trying every way possible to eke out even more from the citizens sweat-labor. We are among the most heavily taxed and regulated people in the country. There is a reason the citizens of this state refer to it as Commiefornia.

There are very few safe havens left in the U.S. where a citizen can protect his/her economic liberty. :blsmoke:

Vi
 

chuckbane

New Member
There are very few safe havens left in the U.S. where a citizen can protect his/her economic liberty. :blsmoke:

Vi
Like I said, all Vi cares about is the economy. Do you know why? Because when the economy is doing better Vi makes a lot more money for doing nothing. (he is in real estate *laughs*)

He is a typical example of what is wrong with America. Greedy fucks who only care about making their pocket fatter. No matter who and how many people they have to cheat, lie, and steal from.

Economic liberty.
I spit on your materialistic views.
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
I personally am planning on just leaving the country or going to California. At least freedom over there is closer to being a reality.
if you hope to find freedom here in california, you are in for a bit of a shock. watch what you say as you cross the border because the liberal agenda is in full swing here and giving offense to anyone at all is nearly a capital offense. i must admit, it is a wonderful place to be poor. the social reformers have gotten a head start here on the whole wealth redistribution thing and, thanks to the highest tax rates in the country, you can sit on your ass all day and still rake in enough in relief to afford a couple of plasma tvs and a new car every couple of years. don't try to make a living here though. our economy is in the crapper and businesses are moving away in droves to avoid the harsher taxes that all those democrat, do-nothing social programs require. we're bankrupt, folks. our democrat controlled legislature has pissed it all away. they've handed it all out to illegal immigrants and the scores of nearsighted do-gooders that seem to crawl out of the woodwork whenever your back is turned.

He is a typical example of what is wrong with America. Greedy fucks who only care about making their pocket fatter. No matter who and how many people they have to cheat, lie, and steal from.
Economic liberty.
I spit on your materialistic views.
and who would the socialists steal from if it weren't for the "greedy fucks" of the world? like most of the mindless left, you sneer at materialism and then crawl in and run off with all it has accumulated. lying, cheating and stealing may be the only way you know to earn a buck, but many of us bust our asses for our successes and don't go crying to the state for assistance every time our endeavors turn south. from reading through your posts, i've come to the inescapable conclusion that you haven't the faintest idea what it is to strive for excellence. like obama and his avaricious ilk, you point to one abuse and call it an epidemic. you see business only as a cancer to be excised and fed to the poor, never understanding that business is made up of the people. lacking any expertise at all, you see the only path to success to be allowing the experts of government to control as we willingly play the drone.

economic liberty, all liberty, is vital. to live purely for the material may be a petty existence, but to live without it is impossible and to steal it from those who have earned it through honest endeavor is criminal by any definition.
 

chuckbane

New Member
What kind of computer you got, Chuck? A nice one? :blsmoke:
Actually no. Its about 15 years old and is a hunk of junk.
Not to mention I got it for 10 bucks.

And just because someone owns a computer doesnt mean they are materialistic.

:confused:

Im not sure what that has to do with anything. Being materialistic is thinking the most important things in life are bought with money. These type of people die very lonely and pathetic deaths. the type of death they deserve for spending their life as a greedy cockroach doing anything it takes to make a buck.
 

chuckbane

New Member
if you hope to find freedom here in california, you are in for a bit of a shock. watch what you say as you cross the border because the liberal agenda is in full swing here and giving offense to anyone at all is nearly a capital offense. i must admit, it is a wonderful place to be poor. the social reformers have gotten a head start here on the whole wealth redistribution thing and, thanks to the highest tax rates in the country, you can sit on your ass all day and still rake in enough in relief to afford a couple of plasma tvs and a new car every couple of years. don't try to make a living here though. our economy is in the crapper and businesses are moving away in droves to avoid the harsher taxes that all those democrat, do-nothing social programs require. we're bankrupt, folks. our democrat controlled legislature has pissed it all away. they've handed it all out to illegal immigrants and the scores of nearsighted do-gooders that seem to crawl out of the woodwork whenever your back is turned.
Did you learn all this from the lying fascist Vi?
I bet you did Billy.

and who would the socialists steal from if it weren't for the "greedy fucks" of the world?
Maybe they wouldnt need to steal if it weren't for you greedy fucks.

Karma fucker!

like most of the mindless left, you sneer at materialism and then crawl in and run off with all it has accumulated.
Left?

Haha, are you one of those kids who hasnt been taught that the political spectrum IS NOT linear? You are so far from home on this one UTE...

lying, cheating and stealing may be the only way you know to earn a buck,
Thats the only way I know how to make money?

Why dont you mind your own fucking business punk. I am not the real estate agent around here so you really need to keep your tongue where it belongs,, in some dudes ass.

Its like you pieces of shit come out of the woodwork. God how I DONT miss America.

but many of us bust our asses for our successes and don't go crying to the state for assistance every time our endeavors turn south.
And what exactly do you do to "bust you ass off"?

from reading through your posts, i've come to the inescapable conclusion that you haven't the faintest idea what it is to strive for excellence.
From reading my posts? Yummy, another republican creeper to add to the list.
You are like an infectious disease.

Excellenece? Yes i do strive for excellence. I strive for excellenece in the relationship with the love of my life. I strive for excellenece in my job of making living conditions better for people at a reasonable cost. I strive for excellenece in my morals.

I dont think you have the foggiest idea of what you are talking about.

Keep talking big talk big man. To me, you are just YET ANOTHER pathetic republican afraid of whats going to happen when the government stops kissing your ass for being rich.

You see unfortunately the government doesnt care how you got the money, they just care that you are paying a lot of taxes. Your greed fuels their greed and their greed fuels your greed.



like obama and his avaricious ilk, you point to one abuse and call it an epidemic.
Like Obama?

"Like" the piece of shit you are you assume I am "promoting Obama"? When will you republicans learn...

Yea, you are a loser I see. Need to make sure you add that tidbit in so people think Obama is bad. I'm not saying he is good but that just shows how desperate you are. just a desperate, lying, cheating, low-life scumbag.

you see business only as a cancer to be excised and fed to the poor, never understanding that business is made up of the people. lacking any expertise at all, you see the only path to success to be allowing the experts of government to control as we willingly play the drone.
I want to know where I said anything like that.

Or are you just like all the other lying scumbag republicans who put words in others mouths?

economic liberty, all liberty, is vital.
Important yes, vital no.
What is of real importance is an individuals rights.


to live purely for the material may be a petty existence, but to live without it is impossible and to steal it from those who have earned it through honest endeavor is criminal by any definition.
I am not arguing that. See whats great about you mindless repubs is you think everybody is ALWAYS after your precious money. Anytime someone speaks up agaisnt a republican ways they yell out "WEALTH DISTRIBUTION IS WRONG"
Do you know why?? Because they know if they accuse anyone one of propmoting wealth disribution they will have the support of every other republican and a lot of others.

Little do these facist losers like undertheice know, but i do not promote wealth distribution at all. I am in fact, against it.

So why do these idiots keep popping their heads around beating their hillbilly gums about wealth distribution?

I would really like to know!

:peace::peace:
 
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