Trump Won't Preside. The Left is Right.

HAF2 said:

this for sure. But apart from making up the numbers you cannot make statistics say whatever you want. They are fact based and usually lead to a conclusion through math. It's very odd that a grown up person doesn't know this. You can debate ideas and feelings, you can't debate math.

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The goal is not to actually prove anything or be right. The goal is to throw enough information around to allow the Trump supporters to justify their own beliefs regardless of the facts. It is 'the new way'.

HAF2 said:

this for sure. But apart from making up the numbers you cannot make statistics say whatever you want. They are fact based and usually lead to a conclusion through math. It's very odd that a grown up person doesn't know this. You can debate ideas and feelings, you can't debate math.

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You can take facts and apply statistics in a way as to skew the data to show what you want it to show. Take gun violence for instance. The numbers I am using are not real because I am not interested in arguing about the details. Say there are 10,000 gun deaths in America. If someone wanted to show there was a lot of violence they could say 10,000 people were killed by guns and that is why we need to take them away from everyone but the cops and the government.

However, half of those gun deaths are due to suicide. So, that is not exactly what most people consider gun violence. So theoretically the real number is 5,000 in gun violence.

Do you include the suicide statistic to make the number look bigger? The math didnt change did it?

Now, either you are not aware this is how you are being manipulated by statistics or you are trolling me. Either way, consider yourself informed.

Statistics dont mean much.

NLXSK1 said:

I think we need to legalize all drugs. That would take money out of gangs and eliminate a lot of the drive for territory that is causing a portion of the gang violence.

Education needs to be totally reformed. We need to teach empowerment, not subsistence. Welfare to workfare, Bill Clinton had that one right....

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I can see you have no real understanding of what is driving the murder in Chicago.

Unclebaldrick said:

I can see you have no real understanding of what is driving the murder in Chicago.

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You could try to add to the conversation by putting what you thought it was.... oh wait, it is you.... NM.

NLXSK1 said:

Statistics dont mean much.

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Im sorry but correct statistics do.

I would also include every death by a gun, suicide or if a little baby did it. Gun violence in the states is out of control. There's many statistics on it vs the rest of the world but you wouldn't believe them. I'll just say, the number of deaths is disproportionally YUGE.

NLXSK1 said:

You could try to add to the conversation by putting what you thought it was.... oh wait, it is you.... NM.

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When I see a rational conversation, I do. But then there are the ones that you have... I do not respect these arguments and I will not give them credibility by humoring your lies, ignorance and distortions. I consider you a joke, a sad one at that.

But "what the hell?"

So we legalize all drugs. How long do you think it will take for the murder rate in Chicago to drop and by how much?

Unclebaldrick said:

When I see a rational conversation, I do. But then there are the ones that you have... I do not respect these arguments and I will not give them credibility by humoring your lies, ignorance and distortions. I consider you a joke, a sad one at that.

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You could do us both a favor and stop your Pavlovian responses to my posts if you do not want to have a dialogue.

I'm gonna say it, they should take away your guns, maybe just your hand guns and assault rifles. This will be an impossible task because no Gun owner wants that.
So I agree with comedy stylings of Chris Rock that all ammunition, especially for handguns, should have a 10,000% mark up value. With a single bullet costing $5,000 I'm going to bet gun violence is reduced.

HAF2 said:

I'm gonna say it, they should take away your guns, maybe just your hand guns and assault rifles. This will be an impossible task because no Gun owner wants that.
So I agree with comedy stylings of Chris Rock that all ammunition, especially for handguns, should have a 10,000% mark up value. With a single bullet costing $5,000 I'm going to bet gun violence is reduced.

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You can make bullets.... Are you going to put a 10,000% markup on gunpowder? Way to make current gun owners rich as fuck!!!

How much does coke cost per ounce? How much can you buy? You dont think there would be a black market for bullets?

Prohibition doesnt work. It doesnt work for drugs, prostitution or any other vice, people just pay more for it.

NLXSK1 said:

You can make bullets.... Are you going to put a 10,000% markup on gunpowder? Way to make current gun owners rich as fuck!!!

How much does coke cost per ounce? How much can you buy? You dont think there would be a black market for bullets?

Prohibition doesnt work. It doesnt work for drugs, prostitution or any other vice, people just pay more for it.

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Fine, plan B. We get a bunch of underground scientists in a bunker to invent the largest magnet in the world that will sweep over the United States suspended by a large helicopter. This magnet will only attract gun metals; so the scientists have their work cut out for them. They take all your guns, and people can apply to have a single gun given back to them, but they must pass a series of tests including mental health exams and IQ tests.
If you little children can't handle playing with guns, you won't get to.
The expensive bullets seemed easier, or as you pointed out expensive gun powder.

HAF2 said:

I'm gonna say it, they should take away your guns, maybe just your hand guns and assault rifles. This will be an impossible task because no Gun owner wants that.
So I agree with comedy stylings of Chris Rock that all ammunition, especially for handguns, should have a 10,000% mark up value. With a single bullet costing $5,000 I'm going to bet gun violence is reduced.

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Lol. That would not work though. First off, ammo is easy to make. Secondly, red state creepers have stockpiled millions upon millions of rounds because AM radio told them to. This would be like turning the contents of every trailer closet into gold. It would help the lower class whites though.

Unclebaldrick said:

But "what the hell?"

So we legalize all drugs. How long do you think it will take for the murder rate in Chicago to drop and by how much?

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I dont want to legalize all drugs to drop the murder rate in Chicago. I want to legalize all drugs because the government should not have a right to tell people what they can or cannot put in their bodies.

You made a statement that drugs were not the primary cause of violence in Chicago. What do you think the cause is?

Unclebaldrick said:

Lol. That would not work though. First off, ammo is easy to make. Secondly, red state creepers have stockpiled millions upon millions of rounds because AM radio told them to. This would be like turning the contents of every trailer closet into gold. It would help the lower class whites though.

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Plan B seems legit. Lol

HAF2 said:

Fine, plan B. We get a bunch of underground scientists in a bunker to invent the largest magnet in the world that will sweep over the United States suspended by a large helicopter. This magnet will only attract gun metals; so the scientists have their work cut out for them. They take all your guns, and people can apply to have a single gun given back to them, but they must pass a series of tests including mental health exams and IQ tests.
If you little children can't handle playing with guns, you won't get to.
The expensive bullets seemed easier, or as you pointed out expensive gun powder.

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What about cops? Do they get guns? What about ceramic weapons? You do know that a gun can be manufactured right? You can make them pretty much out of anything that wont split under the pressure.

Yeah, you keep going on figuring out how to take more rights away from civilians and I will keep going on about how we should have more freedom.

Do you even listen to yourself?

Why do you feel the need for complete government control?

HAF2 said:

Fine, plan B. We get a bunch of underground scientists in a bunker to invent the largest magnet in the world that will sweep over the United States suspended by a large helicopter. This magnet will only attract gun metals; so the scientists have their work cut out for them. They take all your guns, and people can apply to have a single gun given back to them, but they must pass a series of tests including mental health exams and IQ tests.
If you little children can't handle playing with guns, you won't get to.
The expensive bullets seemed easier, or as you pointed out expensive gun powder.

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Fucking magnets, how do they work?

NLXSK1 said:

What about cops? Do they get guns? What about ceramic weapons? You do know that a gun can be manufactured right? You can make them pretty much out of anything that wont split under the pressure.

Yeah, you keep going on figuring out how to take more rights away from civilians and I will keep going on about how we should have more freedom.

Do you even listen to yourself?

Why do you feel the need for complete government control?

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Taking rights away from civilians is an issue for you?
What are your feelings on gay marriage and abortion?

NLXSK1 said:

I dont want to legalize all drugs to drop the murder rate in Chicago. I want to legalize all drugs because the government should not have a right to tell people what they can or cannot put in their bodies.

You made a statement that drugs were not the primary cause of violence in Chicago. What do you think the cause is?

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Hopelessness, boredom, poverty and too many guns.

Unclebaldrick said:

Hopelessness, boredom, poverty and too many guns.

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Chicago has some of the tightest gun restrictions in the country... How did too many guns get there?

Drugs factor into it in that it is one of the only options for them in life to live like Donald and the 1%. Kind of the same thing with growing weed. You don't need an education to grow weed. That is why there are so many dumbasses on RIU.