Trump Won't Preside. The Left is Right.

HAF2

HAF2

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NLXSK1 said:
Morning Schuylarr... The state of Arizona disagrees. Hey, what do you do for a living? People want to know!!! It gives us perspective on the poster ya know....
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I don't care what a member does for a living. What does that have to do with the discussion?
I want to know why a citizen of the United States of America is ok with having a president that says things that have no basis in fact?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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HAF2 said:
But he lies about things no other president has ever lied about. And then when called out he continues these lies and digs in. You don't see that level of pig headedness becoming a problem over the next 4 years?
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I disagree with your assertion he lies.

He said the Air force one program was over 4 billion. Everyone called him a liar the next day... Within a week it had been disclosed that the current bid was OVER 4 billion.

Didnt see any retractions about Trump being RIGHT about that....

Re-negotiating the contract is going to save the taxpayers millions of dollars.... That is our money he is saving.

Havent seen any articles thanking Trump.... Still seems he is considered a LIAR on the subject.

Now, I could go down a list of things like this but you need to understand that after a while, the whole 'LIAR LIAR' charge is like the call of 'RACIST' which proves to be untrue.

Your latest assertion that he was LYING about the percentage of black people killed by black people or whatever didnt address the point that he was fundamentally right about the subject, just off on the percentages. Most of black people are killed by other black people... But hey, lets just call him a LIAR to avoid addressing the uncomfortable reality of the situation..

Not, I dont think the bullshit charges being Trumped up in the media are going to be a problem over the next 4 years.

Trump is not a politician. Strap in and get ready for a bumpy ride.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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HAF2 said:
I don't care what a member does for a living. What does that have to do with the discussion?
I want to know why a citizen of the United States of America is ok with having a president that says things that have no basis in fact?
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Why do other members endlessly hound my about my income? What does that have to do with the discussion?

In Schularrs case we just want to confirm that she is unemployed because she turned out to be a failure at even selling air freshener.

Which sort of discredits her allegation that I am... dumb.... I mean, who cant sell air freshener???
 
HAF2

HAF2

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NLXSK1 said:
I disagree with your assertion he lies.

He said the Air force one program was over 4 billion. Everyone called him a liar the next day... Within a week it had been disclosed that the current bid was OVER 4 billion.

Didnt see any retractions about Trump being RIGHT about that....

Re-negotiating the contract is going to save the taxpayers millions of dollars.... That is our money he is saving.

Havent seen any articles thanking Trump.... Still seems he is considered a LIAR on the subject.

Now, I could go down a list of things like this but you need to understand that after a while, the whole 'LIAR LIAR' charge is like the call of 'RACIST' which proves to be untrue.

Your latest assertion that he was LYING about the percentage of black people killed by black people or whatever didnt address the point that he was fundamentally right about the subject, just off on the percentages. Most of black people are killed by other black people... But hey, lets just call him a LIAR to avoid addressing the uncomfortable reality of the situation..

Not, I dont think the bullshit charges being Trumped up in the media are going to be a problem over the next 4 years.

Trump is not a politician. Strap in and get ready for a bumpy ride.
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You seem to have a case of confirmation bias. You only take in information that supports your preconceived notions. Here is the tweet again and I'll break it down for you more simply.
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He was trying to prove a point with this tweet that black people are killing each other, killing white people, and not getting killed by cops that much.
The incorrect percentages are grossly incorrect. I'm assuming you have never taken statistics but being off by a factor of 1 X is insane. That's 100% wrong. These were off by factors of 4 and 5. 400 and 500%.
The "stats" inflate the number of whites people killed by blacks by 400%. They inflate whites killed by whites by 540%. And whites killed by blacks (to enstil fear) by 540%.
The worst stat is the 1% of black people killed by cops. The website didn't have any clue where they got that number because black people are known to be killed by cops at a rate of 1-2 X that of a white person. So that was just a made up fact.
This tweet came out after black men had been murdered by cops, again. Trumps tweet of these incorrect stats was to tarnish the memories of the people who were murdered, Black Lives Matter, and anyone who was fearing and mistrusting the police. It was stupid to quote stats that were not checked and he should have apologized and retracted his mistake. He won't.
Do you not see that as being wrong?
 
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schuylaar

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HAF2 said:
You seem to have a case of confirmation bias. You only take in information that supports your preconceived notions. Here is the tweet again and I'll break it down for you more simply.
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He was trying to prove a point with this tweet that black people are killing each other, killing white people, and not getting killed by cops that much.
The incorrect percentages are grossly incorrect. I'm assuming you have never taken statistics but being off by a factor of 1 X is insane. That's 100% wrong. These were off by factors of 4 and 5. 400 and 500%.
The "stats" inflate the number of whites people killed by blacks by 400%. They inflate whites killed by whites by 540%. And whites killed by blacks (to enstil fear) by 540%.
The worst stat is the 1% of black people killed by cops. The website didn't have any clue where they got that number because black people are known to be killed by cops at a rate of 1-2 X that of a white person. So that was just a made up fact.
This tweet came out after black men had been murdered by cops, again. Trumps tweet of these incorrect stats was to tarnish the memories of the people who were murdered, Black Lives Matter, and anyone who was fearing and mistrusting the police. It was stupid to quote stats that were not checked and he should have apologized and retracted his mistake. He won't.
Do you not see that as being wrong?
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He has selective opinion and memory like most righties.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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HAF2 said:
You seem to have a case of confirmation bias. You only take in information that supports your preconceived notions. Here is the tweet again and I'll break it down for you more simply.
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He was trying to prove a point with this tweet that black people are killing each other, killing white people, and not getting killed by cops that much.
The incorrect percentages are grossly incorrect. I'm assuming you have never taken statistics but being off by a factor of 1 X is insane. That's 100% wrong. These were off by factors of 4 and 5. 400 and 500%.
The "stats" inflate the number of whites people killed by blacks by 400%. They inflate whites killed by whites by 540%. And whites killed by blacks (to enstil fear) by 540%.
The worst stat is the 1% of black people killed by cops. The website didn't have any clue where they got that number because black people are known to be killed by cops at a rate of 1-2 X that of a white person. So that was just a made up fact.
This tweet came out after black men had been murdered by cops, again. Trumps tweet of these incorrect stats was to tarnish the memories of the people who were murdered, Black Lives Matter, and anyone who was fearing and mistrusting the police. It was stupid to quote stats that were not checked and he should have apologized and retracted his mistake. He won't.
Do you not see that as being wrong?
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No, I do not see it as wrong. I see you as running around in little circles hating on trump preventing you from realizing that black people killing black people is the major problem. White people and cops do not contribute a significant percentage to the issue.

So, I fundamentally agree with Donald Trump (who isnt the first to be saying this) about the problem. I do not care if his percentages were off by 10,000 times. This was an issue before Donald Trump even began running for president. So, do you see how meaningless I think your journey down what Trump did or did not say when it was basically correct?

Are you ever going to move on to the actual topic or are you going to continue to be horrified at his apparent bad math skills?
 
HAF2

HAF2

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NLXSK1 said:
No, I do not see it as wrong. I see you as running around in little circles hating on trump preventing you from realizing that black people killing black people is the major problem. White people and cops do not contribute a significant percentage to the issue.

So, I fundamentally agree with Donald Trump (who isnt the first to be saying this) about the problem. I do not care if his percentages were off by 10,000 times. This was an issue before Donald Trump even began running for president. So, do you see how meaningless I think your journey down what Trump did or did not say when it was basically correct?

Are you ever going to move on to the actual topic or are you going to continue to be horrified at his apparent bad math skills?
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There were 6 statistics in that false crime stats tweet. Only 1 of them was mostly correct. You are focusing on the 1 instead of the other 5 Becuase it goes with your ideals.
= confirmation bias.

Thank you for illustrating my point better than I ever could.
 
HAF2

HAF2

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NLXSK1 said:
No, I do not see it as wrong. I see you as running around in little circles hating on trump preventing you from realizing that black people killing black people is the major problem. White people and cops do not contribute a significant percentage to the issue.

So, I fundamentally agree with Donald Trump (who isnt the first to be saying this) about the problem. I do not care if his percentages were off by 10,000 times. This was an issue before Donald Trump even began running for president. So, do you see how meaningless I think your journey down what Trump did or did not say when it was basically correct?

Are you ever going to move on to the actual topic or are you going to continue to be horrified at his apparent bad math skills?
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By the way, he didn't make up the stats. He found them to support the point he was trying to make, didn't do due diligence and check them, and then tweeted it as fact. It's wrong. He's either willfully ignorant or a liar. But once presented with the truth he shouldn't have back-peddled like you are "uh...black peoples still kill black people so there so the gist is still valid". A real man admits when they are wrong because they know it doesn't take away from their manhood. Trump is not a real man, he is a joke.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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NLXSK1 said:
No, I do not see it as wrong. I see you as running around in little circles hating on trump preventing you from realizing that black people killing black people is the major problem. White people and cops do not contribute a significant percentage to the issue.

So, I fundamentally agree with Donald Trump (who isnt the first to be saying this) about the problem. I do not care if his percentages were off by 10,000 times. This was an issue before Donald Trump even began running for president. So, do you see how meaningless I think your journey down what Trump did or did not say when it was basically correct?

Are you ever going to move on to the actual topic or are you going to continue to be horrified at his apparent bad math skills?
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Maybe you should try sleeping in a Holiday Inn Express tonight. They say it makes you smarter.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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HAF2 said:
There were 6 statistics in that false crime stats tweet. Only 1 of them was mostly correct. You are focusing on the 1 instead of the other 5 Becuase it goes with your ideals.
= confirmation bias.

Thank you for illustrating my point better than I ever could.
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You are focusing on the crime stats and not the fact that there is a fundamental problem with black people killing black people. Now you are doubling down because the math is sooooo bad....

Trump didnt create this problem and the problem doesnt change if his math is off. I also dispute your basis because you can make statistics say what you want so the discussion is pointless.

Thank you for illustrating your desire to continue spinning in circles while not addressing the fundamental issue.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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HAF2 said:
By the way, he didn't make up the stats. He found them to support the point he was trying to make, didn't do due diligence and check them, and then tweeted it as fact. It's wrong. He's either willfully ignorant or a liar. But once presented with the truth he shouldn't have back-peddled like you are "uh...black peoples still kill black people so there so the gist is still valid". A real man admits when they are wrong because they know it doesn't take away from their manhood. Trump is not a real man, he is a joke.
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It feels right.

 
HAF2

HAF2

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NLXSK1 said:
You are focusing on the crime stats and not the fact that there is a fundamental problem with black people killing black people. Now you are doubling down because the math is sooooo bad....

Trump didnt create this problem and the problem doesnt change if his math is off. I also dispute your basis because you can make statistics say what you want so the discussion is pointless.

Thank you for illustrating your desire to continue spinning in circles while not addressing the fundamental issue.
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Gosh you are really digging in. So you think the black people killing black people is the important part of that message? I don't. It's so crazy how we read the same thing and glean such different information from it.
But, you have the floor. What's your solution to black on black crime? You got something?
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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HAF2 said:
Gosh you are really digging in. So you think the black people killing black people is the important part of that message? I don't. It's so crazy how we read the same thing and glean such different information from it.
But, you have the floor. What's your solution to black on black crime? You got something?
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Yes, eliminate the Office of Congressional Ethics.

It is good to have an administration finally do something for "the blacks"
 
HAF2

HAF2

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Unclebaldrick said:
Especially if you make them up.
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this for sure. But apart from making up the numbers you cannot make statistics say whatever you want. They are fact based and usually lead to a conclusion through math. It's very odd that a grown up person doesn't know this. You can debate ideas and feelings, you can't debate math.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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HAF2 said:
Gosh you are really digging in. So you think the black people killing black people is the important part of that message? I don't. It's so crazy how we read the same thing and glean such different information from it.
But, you have the floor. What's your solution to black on black crime? You got something?
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I think we need to legalize all drugs. That would take money out of gangs and eliminate a lot of the drive for territory that is causing a portion of the gang violence.

Education needs to be totally reformed. We need to teach empowerment, not subsistence. Welfare to workfare, Bill Clinton had that one right....
 
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