Trump hates Puerto Rico

ttystikk

ttystikk

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justugh said:
i got issue with puerto rico
they are a usa territory but they never want to be a state it 1952 to now they want what every other state wants from feds but they do not want to kick back into the system .........it is 2017 about to be 2018 shit or get off the pot

honestly helping the whole world is not our problem we have enough at home .......they want a faster response become a state otherwise sorry we got shit at home to fix first

oh little known fact to most of u but it might of fucked your grand parents ........any money made in puerto rico can not leave puerto rico (still in effect today why most corps will not have anything to do with them )
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You are woefully uninformed about Puerto Rican desires for Statehood;
Residents most recently held referendums and voted for Statehood in both 2012 and 2017. The US Congress has ignored them.

In fact they pay far more in American taxes then they receive in benefits.

The Jones Act has made their economic situation very difficult.

Other recent Confessional legislation has also contributed to wrecking their economy.

Most recently, a commission on the repayment of their debt (run up because they didn't get access to funding they'd paid in taxes) has all but suspended their democracy.

None of this should matter during a disaster; they're American citizens and as such are entitled to the same protections and relief as any other Citizens anywhere in the country or the world.

I find your attitude towards our fellow Americans parochial, uninformed and seriously lacking in compassion.
 
ttystikk

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abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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The Jones Act hype is bullshit propaganda. There would be no merchant mariners if not for the Jones Act.

Shiploads of aid sat on the docks for days after Maria from the mainland. The Jones Act only forbids foreign aid. I'm not saying that is acceptable either but the hype is bull shit. Stop being a parrot and research this shit.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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ttystikk said:
In fact they pay far more in American taxes then they receive in benefits.
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Wrong again. They don't pay income taxes. They pay less than 4 billion into total and receive more than 20 billion in total aid and subsidies annually.

Your record of claims regarding economics is just terrible. You are always wrong and it just makes the debate worse. Your misinformation muddies it up and makes understanding even more distant.
 
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greg nr

greg nr

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abandonconflict said:
The Jones Act hype is bullshit propaganda. There would be no merchant mariners if not for the Jones Act.

Shiploads of aid sat on the docks for days after Maria from the mainland. The Jones Act only forbids foreign aid. I'm not saying that is acceptable either but the hype is bull shit. Stop being a parrot and research this shit.
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You are a poor repug shill.

The Merchant Marine Act of 1920, also known as the Jones Act, is a United States federal statute that provides for the promotion and maintenance of the American merchant marine.[1] Among other purposes, the law regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports. Section 27 of the Jones Act deals with cabotage and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried on U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.[2] The act was introduced by Senator Wesley Jones.

If you even tried to know anything about shipping, you would know there are few US flagged ships available to run cargo to PR. Most shipping is done under flags of convenience, which allows US companies to avoid taxes and the expense of complying with the Jones act; they are registered to countries like liberia. So the availability and cost to comply is a real problem with moving large quantities of supplies quickly.

If PR wasn't a US port, supplies could flow. With the Jones Act in place, shipping is a logistical nightmare. They quickly suspended it for FL relief efforts. It was done before the storm hit. Why FL and not PR?
 
Grandpapy

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greg nr said:
You are a poor repug shill.

The Merchant Marine Act of 1920, also known as the Jones Act, is a United States federal statute that provides for the promotion and maintenance of the American merchant marine.[1] Among other purposes, the law regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports. Section 27 of the Jones Act deals with cabotage and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried on U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.[2] The act was introduced by Senator Wesley Jones.

If you even tried to know anything about shipping, you would know there are few US flagged ships available to run cargo to PR. Most shipping is done under flags of convenience, which allows US companies to avoid taxes and the expense of complying with the Jones act; they are registered to countries like liberia. So the availability and cost to comply is a real problem with moving large quantities of supplies quickly.

If PR wasn't a US port, supplies could flow. With the Jones Act in place, shipping is a logistical nightmare. They quickly suspended it for FL relief efforts. It was done before the storm hit. Why FL and not PR?
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Incompetence or Sabotage.

It's not like it's new info.

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Sad.
 
abandonconflict

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greg nr said:
You are a poor repug shill.

The Merchant Marine Act of 1920, also known as the Jones Act, is a United States federal statute that provides for the promotion and maintenance of the American merchant marine.[1] Among other purposes, the law regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports. Section 27 of the Jones Act deals with cabotage and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried on U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.[2] The act was introduced by Senator Wesley Jones.

If you even tried to know anything about shipping, you would know there are few US flagged ships available to run cargo to PR. Most shipping is done under flags of convenience, which allows US companies to avoid taxes and the expense of complying with the Jones act; they are registered to countries like liberia. So the availability and cost to comply is a real problem with moving large quantities of supplies quickly.

If PR wasn't a US port, supplies could flow. With the Jones Act in place, shipping is a logistical nightmare. They quickly suspended it for FL relief efforts. It was done before the storm hit. Why FL and not PR?
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You did not contradict my statement. You just called me a "repug shill" and affirmed what I pointed out. Read it again genius.

Furthermore, Republicans are the biggest opponents of the Jones Act and have always been. I think all bernouts are just emotional teenagers with bipolar disorder and maybe dyslexia. Calm down.
 
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justugh

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ttystikk said:
You are woefully uninformed about Puerto Rican desires for Statehood;
Residents most recently held referendums and voted for Statehood in both 2012 and 2017. The US Congress has ignored them.

In fact they pay far more in American taxes then they receive in benefits.

The Jones Act has made their economic situation very difficult.

Other recent Confessional legislation has also contributed to wrecking their economy.

Most recently, a commission on the repayment of their debt (run up because they didn't get access to funding they'd paid in taxes) has all but suspended their democracy.

None of this should matter during a disaster; they're American citizens and as such are entitled to the same protections and relief as any other Citizens anywhere in the country or the world.

I find your attitude towards our fellow Americans parochial, uninformed and seriously lacking in compassion.
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if congress will not make them a state then they need to make noise about it .......this is the first time i heard of them getting turned down

what i know of down there i got from my Grandfather when he worked with GE ......he got fucked by them he had to leave all that money down there could not use it anywhere .....the house he sold and 2 years of work lost
 
greg nr

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abandonconflict said:
You did not contradict my statement. You just called me a "repug shill" and affirmed what I pointed out. Read it again genius.

Furthermore, Republicans are the biggest opponents of the Jones Act and have always been. I think all bernouts are just emotional teenagers with bipolar disorder and maybe dyslexia. Calm down.
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I did directly contradict your statement. You are just ignoring it.

The jones act isn't a bad law, it's just irrational when massive aid is needed quickly. Which is why the trump admin suspended it in FL before the hurricane hit. Why not in PR?

What is bad is allowing US carriers to avoid the jones act by registering vessels under flags of convenience. Just like letting US corporations hide profits overseas by using accounting loop holes that were strategically placed to allow them to evade taxes.
 
abandonconflict

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greg nr said:
I did directly contradict your statement. You are just ignoring it.
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L2read berntard.

Seriously, you bernouts have trouble getting past your irrational reactions based on chemical imbalance.

We're essentially in agreement except for your focus on the hype regarding the Jones Act. I even said that it was unacceptable. I also said that the Jones Act was not actually the primary reason for PR not distributing aid that was sitting on the docks.

The GOP has wanted excuses for a long time to waive it or scrap it. The hurricanes provided that.

By focusing on bullshit, you're ignoring the germaine facts. Funny you'd call me a "repug shill" when you were the one falling for GOP bait.

"Why not PR" sure, I agree, they hate Puerto Ricans. The Jones Act had nothing to do with the undistributed aid that sat on the docks. Nor did it have anything to do with the massive military occupation currently underway on the island. Keep focusing on the distraction though, idiot.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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greg nr said:
I did directly contradict your statement. You are just ignoring it.

The jones act isn't a bad law, it's just irrational when massive aid is needed quickly. Which is why the trump admin suspended it in FL before the hurricane hit. Why not in PR?

What is bad is allowing US carriers to avoid the jones act by registering vessels under flags of convenience. Just like letting US corporations hide profits overseas by using accounting loop holes that were strategically placed to allow them to evade taxes.
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...which makes the Jones Act bad law.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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justugh said:
if congress will not make them a state then they need to make noise about it .......this is the first time i heard of them getting turned down

what i know of down there i got from my Grandfather when he worked with GE ......he got fucked by them he had to leave all that money down there could not use it anywhere .....the house he sold and 2 years of work lost
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How much noise do they need to make, in your opinion?

The truth is that most Americans just don't care.
 
justugh

justugh

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ttystikk said:
How much noise do they need to make, in your opinion?

The truth is that most Americans just don't care.
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noise to make the news show a few talks to get ppl talking and bitching

if it can be done over a missing girl why not over a country that wants to be a state ....make some noise pay to have some tele ad run on late night tv anything to get word out
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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justugh said:
noise to make the news show a few talks to get ppl talking and bitching

if it can be done over a missing girl why not over a country that wants to be a state ....make some noise pay to have some tele ad run on late night tv anything to get word out
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I'm a bit more cynical about the agenda of American news outlets these days. They don't seem to run stories that might displease their corporate masters.

And for the record, they have.

Blaming others for your own ignorance on a subject won't get you very far.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Your arguments against the Jones Act were formulated by anti-working-class and right wing union-busting interests who want shipping jobs outsourced to underpaid mariners from other countries.

That islands have to pay more for consumer goods is not going to be fixed by busting workers unions. You fucking berntards need to look somewhere other than Cato institute for economic analysis.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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abandonconflict said:
Your arguments against the Jones Act were formulated by anti-working-class and right wing union-busting interests who want shipping jobs outsourced to underpaid mariners from other countries.

That islands have to pay more for consumer goods is not going to be fixed by busting workers unions. You fucking berntards need to look somewhere other than Cato institute for economic analysis.
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So let's hear your prescription for Puerto Rican economic renewal, genius.

It's easy to stand back and take pot shots- but that's the act of a coward.

Let's see you put real solutions on the table.

The Jones Act does not account for the fact that most Americans ships use flags of convenience, thereby making them ineligible to ship goods under the Jones Act.

You'd know that if you did any investigating at all, but you're too stuck on your agenda to bother looking for facts.
 
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