Trump Demands Full Embargo of China

MoodyShoes said:

Thank you.

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MoodyShoes said:

Shhh

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Dim witted, "educated" shit bag your posts convey the same unhinged self importance, untethered irrelevance and forgetability of another crap filled and desperate asshole.

MoodyShoes said:

Of course they are, so what is the increase in ppm of CO2 in the past 10 years?

Yup, not so worrying really is it.

And if you really want me to flood this thread with countless peer reviewed journals that prove the twin towers collapsing was entirely within scientific reason, I will.

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youve done enough word shitting and idiotic squawking. Dont threaten us with a full on gush of imbecile diarrhea

Dateline Monday:

“In his remarks, Trump appears to have misunderstood the true political ranking of Liu He when he accepted the statement from China’s top trade negotiator calling for calm dialogue amid the trade war.

“The vice-chairman makes a statement that he wants to make a deal,” Trump said. “The vice-chairman of China – can you get higher than that other than President Xi?”

Of course beauty is involved for those following and wondering:

“I think it was a beautiful statement.”

Under the Chinese state structure, there is no position as vice-chairman. Liu was vice-premier of China under Premier Li Keqiang, and China’s vice-president is Wang Qishan, who is the No 8, not No 2, official in China’s opaque political system.”

And yet the stock market is rising on this because of a Trump tweet. Fuck the news and the facts and the lie. It’s Trump’s optimism this morning and that encourages investors.

hotrodharley said:

And yet the stock market is rising on this because of a Trump tweet. Fuck the news and the facts and the lie. It’s Trump’s optimism this morning and that encourages investors.

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80% of trades are made by computer many using "keywords" and Trump is triggering them with his word salad.

Trump said China called him. Markets rose on this good news. Except nobody called him and now that’s out. After the markets closed of course but futures are down for the open tomorrow. What fresh tantalizing lies can he utter to make it flutter? Stay tuned.

"China wants to make a deal. And I tell this to President Xi [Jinping] who I really respect ... I told him very strongly, I said 'Look, you're making $500 billion a year and stealing our intellectual property…We can't make a 50-50 deal ... If it's not better, I don't want to do business." President Trump. Fox News Monday 8-26-2019

This is a lie. Nobody talked to Trump from fucking China but Fox News is more than happy to spread the lie in the name of reporting “news”. That place should be Hellfired.

Meanwhile, CEO's of nearly all DJI corporations are selling their stock like it's 2007.

We were gonna go out for Chinese the other night, but we didn't.

Thanks Trump.

Rob Roy said:

We were gonna go out for Chinese the other night, but we didn't.

Thanks Trump.

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He politicizes everything.

hanimmal said:

He politicizes everything.

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Not true. He conspiracy theories about a third of it.

Trump has painted himself into another corner by declaring China called and wants to deal. He probably thinks it puts him in a position of strength but he’ll have a hell of a time explaining when nothing happens. Since America is too gutless to attempt impeachment I’ll be happy to watch everyone take it in the ass because of what he does. Seriously. Pain is the best teacher. The country obviously needs more teaching. Bring on the pain.

Trump’s lie Monday about China calling lifted the Dow. For a day. The Chinese have him. If he doesn’t make a sincere effort to deal the global markets will reflect that. Investors are finally getting a little nervous. UBS is advising divestment from stocks and into bonds.

The markets are down today. His lies getting easier to disprove and more optimists finally forced to face reality.

Chaos is this asshole’s stock in trade. It always has been. He’s the kind to roll a grenade into a crowded room, turn the lights out and slam the door. Then he’ll deal with what’s left. Repeat as necessary. But he’s never played the game at such a level. His personality is not going to allow him to agree to anything he is not the clear winner in.

I’m loving this. I hope the unseen and unreported damage is as great as that we are seeing. Such as large numbers of GOP Representatives announcing their retirement. If it doesn’t kill the party (it won’t) then at least we can hope people see it for what it is. A vehicle to enrich the wealthy.

“We have excess corn in various parts of our country with our farmers because China did not do what they said they were going to do. And Prime Minister Abe Shinzo on behalf of Japan, they're going to be buying all of that corn."

Again pure lie.

“As the table above shows China’s domestic consumption of corn, in 2016, stood at 231 Million Metric Tons while Japan consumed a rather paltry 15 MMTs.

And Japan’s consumption of corn is actually trending down.

If it isn’t the case that Japan has plans to increase corn consumption by some 1500% this year, or has decided to building an offshore Corny Island, I don’t see that happening.

If your Red State relatives prefer to converse in bushels you can find those numbers here… but I’ll post their chart for ya:”

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/26/1881544/-Trump-Said-Japan-was-Going-to-be-Buying-All-of-That-Corn-That-China-Isn-t-Here-are-the-Facts?fbclid=IwAR2_NSOGXatr-GD0GsleLC8XqcgeB83SLYNEtuvLzQaJlbs6krjMW5JszfM

“Gripped with anger, some Iowa ethanol leaders say President Donald Trump should no longer count on their support in next year’s election, given his administration's action to cut demand for the U.S. renewable fuel.

“If people connected to agriculture decide to vote for the president, they're just voting to cut off their own economic prosperity," said Nick Bowdish, CEO of Elite Ethanol in Atlantic.

Earlier this month, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency let 31 oil refineries off the hook from a requirement to blend 1.4 billion gallons of ethanol and biodiesel into their fuel.”

Uh oh. Those slow-to-anger hayshakers are starting to get upset.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2019/08/25/donald-trump-ethanol-waivers-iowa-farm-country-lose-support-president-election-voters-farmers/2085033001/

hotrodharley said:

“Gripped with anger, some Iowa ethanol leaders say President Donald Trump should no longer count on their support in next year’s election, given his administration's action to cut demand for the U.S. renewable fuel.

“If people connected to agriculture decide to vote for the president, they're just voting to cut off their own economic prosperity," said Nick Bowdish, CEO of Elite Ethanol in Atlantic.

Earlier this month, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency let 31 oil refineries off the hook from a requirement to blend 1.4 billion gallons of ethanol and biodiesel into their fuel.”

Uh oh. Those slow-to-anger hayshakers are starting to get upset.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2019/08/25/donald-trump-ethanol-waivers-iowa-farm-country-lose-support-president-election-voters-farmers/2085033001/

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Trump is bleeding support by the day fucking farmers was a boneheaded move, his base is mostly rural and these guys like soybean farmers were his biggest fans. Trumpers are impervious to most things except when ya go for their wallet.

Sitting around the diner or coffee shop talking politics, it's getting a lot harder for them to carry Donald's water by the day. Some folks are losing a lot respect and making fools of themselves for Donald, not just the ones on TV, but with their relatives and neighbors.

“Chinese state media on Tuesday sought to undercut U.S. leverage in the trade talks, highlighting 20 directives the Chinese government released to boost domestic consumption. “China’s economy is increasingly driven internally, it’s more and more difficult for the US to press China to make concessions,” tweeted Hu Xijin, editor of the nationalist Chinese tabloid Global Times.”

“The Chinese are still interested in a deal but not at any cost,” she said.

The next month will prove more irksome for Trump as China is unlikely to offer any concessions as it prepares for the 70th anniversary of the communist party on Oct. 1. The latest U.S. tariff increases are due to take effect on Sept. 1 and Oct. 1.

“Trump is basically punching against a brick wall,” said Moon, who added that the whole theme of events marking the birth of the communist party “is China’s rejuvenation after a period of foreign dominance.””

https://apple.news/Awxg8XdfGQiuu8PbJJ9nkvA

hotrodharley said:

Trump has painted himself into another corner by declaring China called and wants to deal. He probably thinks it puts him in a position of strength but he’ll have a hell of a time explaining when nothing happens. Since America is too gutless to attempt impeachment I’ll be happy to watch everyone take it in the ass because of what he does. Seriously. Pain is the best teacher. The country obviously needs more teaching. Bring on the pain.

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True, I'm not accepting any guilt for Trump and I don't see why anybody who has always opposed him should. Trump is Republican guilt.

Given that about 37% support beginning impeachment proceedings, this country obviously has 37% too many people who have poor judgement.

Fogdog said:

True, I'm not accepting any guilt for Trump and I don't see why anybody who has always opposed him should. Trump is Republican guilt.

Given that about 37% support beginning impeachment proceedings, this country obviously has 37% too many people who have poor judgement.

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With the Deutsche Bank revelations that number should be whittled down a bit, that's why Nancy is slow walking impeachment until there have been some investigations and public testimony. I figure it won't be long until we and the press see the documents too, Donald going crazy over it only hurts him. By the time the election comes around, if Donald is still there, he should be down to his hardcore base, even with a GOP senate acquittal on impeachment, which would only damage the GOP even more. It will be a public trial with the electorate on the jury too.

Nancy is wise in the ways of Washington and politics, she knows what's about to come out, so does Donald...

DIY-HP-LED said:

Nancy is wise in the ways of Washington and politics, she knows what's about to come out, so does Donald...

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Half right.

Trump actually believes his lawyers will save the day. They always have in the past. About the best they'll do is save him while he's president. After that, he's a sitting duck.

TacoMac said:

Half right.

Trump actually believes his lawyers will save the day. They always have in the past. About the best they'll do is save him while he's president. After that, he's a sitting duck.

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It's what he does as a lame Donald duck that concerns me most if he loses in 2020, hopefully he'll bolt for Moscow on AF1. Perhaps if the democrats can spook him enough he might even run to Russia before the election, leaving the GOP holding the bag (best case scenario).

DIY-HP-LED said:

With the Deutsche Bank revelations that number should be whittled down a bit, that's why Nancy is slow walking impeachment until there have been some investigations and public testimony. I figure it won't be long until we and the press see the documents too, Donald going crazy over it only hurts him. By the time the election comes around, if Donald is still there, he should be down to his hardcore base, even with a GOP senate acquittal on impeachment, which would only damage the GOP even more. It will be a public trial with the electorate on the jury too.

Nancy is wise in the ways of Washington and politics, she knows what's about to come out, so does Donald...

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I took a look at the NY Times article on this and it seems to me that this story is too full of "if true"s for me to believe that the smoking gun to convict Trump lies there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/28/business/deutsche-bank-trump.html

I never doubted that Russian crime family money is being laundered in the Trump empire. This has been pretty much obvious to me and many who post here since the beginning. I think there is already enough evidence to convict him in the court of public opinion. That said, until now, Trump's lawyers have done a great job of covering Trump's tracks over the years to protect him from legal action. The Mueller report shows that findings of legally proven chargeable crimes comitted by Trump isn't enough to sway the Senate to act against him too. I'll be glad when Congress has its hands on these files but I'm not holding much belief that enough evidence will come from it to convince Republicans to convict Trump in the Senate. Still, the mood music from this news is wonderful and I'm sure we'll hear more of it over the next year and-a-half.

The reporter who claimed to know that DB holds evidence that would tie Trump to Oligarch money and money laundering has back tracked, saying he only has one unverified source and there are no other sources to confirm that what he was told is true.

I'll be following this story but right now it seems to be a little too shaky for me. Also, not much is showing up in the online media. Some reports are out on the subject but there isn't the kind of feeding frenzy one would expect if the story were true. So, not news just yet.