True HP Aero For 2011

DIYer said:

i do man...
why are you still choking the roots with those white pvc parts? You'll never get pom pom sized root balls with that on there. You have a net pot inside them,.. i don't get why you need them. Why not just drop the pot in the lid like everyone else, and let the roots get out laterally. You can slide it off now, it'll be too late when the roots get bigger. Plus your tub isn't light proof, so honestly the roots probably liked going to 12/12, since that's 12 hours more real darkness then you were giving them before.

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Mike Young said:

The roots I'm seeing now in my bubbler are actually pretty decent. Hairs even. I wonder how you would get hairy roots without building a rather large fog collar? Or are you thinking of getting them after you cut your clone from the main stem?

Diyer: The collar I menioned is just a neoprene disk for holding the cutting. I think I'm going to cut the tap roots every so often to keep them from soaking. I want them to get all their nutrients from the bubbles.

Here's my bubble roots...

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Trichy Bastard said:

I wondered if plants that size could live in a 3" netpot- I believe they can. All the netpot does is hold them from falling down. The roots should hold themselves I would think, but I could be wrong. My chamber uses 2" netpots, and I'll soon see if they can get a few weeks of veg and still work in that size. Atomizer has a good idea of cubing some rockwool chunks to about 1cm2 and lightly packing them in with the seed/clone. Hand water them daily until the roots exit (which is fast with the little resistance) and the rockwool eventually helps lock the roots in later. I think thats about what a bubbler is, but I never have used one myself. I guess the popping bubbles make enough mist for the roots to live off of above. They are not submerged in the water.

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PetFlora said:

Good question. Small net pots lack a lip that allows one to insert directly, thus the PVC couplers. Other than that, there is no need for larger net pots, at last look (admittedly a while ago) many lack a substantial lip. Anyway, I doubt one can get pompoms unless they affix something to the bottom of the net pot in the shape of a convex disc (previously discussed). Same issue exists with clones. Perhaps 'the answer' is a taller (deeper) small net pot with a 0.5"+ lip. That's a simple DIY! (tie two small ones together cutting the bottom out of the top one), but will look into slightly larger net pots. Ya got me thinkin. Thanks! But probably just a few trimming of the tap roots will forcce the root mass to become ball-like.

Also, you are onto something with the pod not being light proof. The thin lid is the problem. Simple solution is to cover it with heavy foil. I have another pod (larger, better spacing of holes), but it takes up the whole light, and I am finishing a plant that I am babysitting: ~ 3-5 more days to harvest. Will switch to larger pod then, and cover that lid with heavy foil. Good catch!

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PetFlora said:

Coincidentally this hit my inbox today. I's a combination bubbler + misting Very well executed. Good root shot photos too http://buymarijuanaseeds.com/community/threads/building-a-misting-aerocloner-veg-machine.138565/

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Trichy Bastard said:

That's Cavadge, with his hp cloner... Nothing new here, but it's nice to see it again. I think with a few more tweaks with what we understand now, it is really a good system. I wish he hadn't disappeared, I liked his building and journaling skills. His "forget the fogger, I'm going hp aero" thread was really the point where my thinking had changed, and I started focusing on what mattered in HPA. Even so, at the time he had some issues with the concepts that could have been improved. If he is still growing, I bet he has it down real nice now.

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Trichy Bastard said:

That's Cavadge, with his hp cloner... Nothing new here, but it's nice to see it again. I think with a few more tweaks with what we understand now, it is really a good system. I wish he hadn't disappeared, I liked his building and journaling skills. His "forget the fogger, I'm going hp aero" thread was really the point where my thinking had changed, and I started focusing on what mattered in HPA. Even so, at the time he had some issues with the concepts that could have been improved. If he is still growing, I bet he has it down real nice now.

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DIYer said:

Dude Cavadge's talk on GC is where i learned of a lot of the parts i plunked down cash for, wtf ever happened to that site is beyond me, i don't post there anymore since they seemed to have sold out.

If you're into LED's, i heard some talk of them here earlier, check out 'Knna DIY LED Panel' thread over there, i got supplies direct from knna out of spain (when he was around, seems all the good ones disappear eh?) to build the LED arrays i currently grow a lot under. Knna where'd you go!! To me, another one nothing but pure knowledge ever poured out of.

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Trichy Bastard said:

Good, dealing with the light will be another good tweak for you PF... Not sure what your arguement against netpots is, the lip is sufficient to hold the pot up against alot of weight. Also not sure what you mean about needing the addition of the convex plastic, or cutting the taproots. It's plainly obvious neither tree farmer nor Atomizer went to such lengths, and no one could argue with their root structures. The reason you're even getting those taproots in the first place is still the inability to fully control without the accumulator, but I don't think cutting them is the answer here. You have spent alot of time and energy on this, and no doubt have been a part of the aero community for a long time. It's good you're eyes are opening up to an additional depth of detail, and it also seems your plants are reflecting this. I think this year will be your best results yet.

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DIYer said:

Auto44?....
Hey what the hell good are inside jokes in an HP Aero thread? I'd rather you give me the acc shopping list again! No seriously,.. it'd be tits for the mister systems i want to put throughout my homes ventilation ducts, then leave the fan on and boom, instant swamp cooler. I want an RO system for drinking water anyway, so I'm thinking get a bit bigger one then i need, and use some of what it can clean in the ducts. Should make for an easy hide of a lot of the stuff to do this as well. To buy a swamp cooler just isn't going to have the level of effect i want, evenly throughout my entire house. I want to lower my electric bill this summer, with even more lights burning in the grow room. I just bought another 400 ballast & bulb that'll add $19/mo to my bill,.. going the wrong way, for now...


On a side note,.. that also has no place in an HP Aero thread, ha,.. fucking UPS dropped a package for me to the wrong house in my complex, someone down the block dropped it off on my step, opened,.. it had an HID lamp cord inside it...
I fucking hate ups...
Even though I'm totally legal, now i want to move and only ship to my girls work where she receives the packages, did i mention i fucking hate ups!!

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Trichy Bastard said:

I'm a bit worried that the humidity the misters in your ceiling will bring, will make life quite uncomfortable for you. I have been using my fogger bucket to humidify the bedroom the last week or so since my girlfriend had a cold, and as soon as the air gets over 80 in the daytime, it becomes unbearably hot sticky and uncomfortable- although the rest of the house is not so uncomfortable at that temperature. I am lucky enough to have good luck with UPS- thankfully. I'll tell you when I was about 6 years old one of the first jokes I ever made was after they messed up my mom's delivery- I told her the name was for "UPS! (Like oops!) messed up another delivery" lol...

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